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On January 30 2013 05:12 Melliflue wrote:How many ABLers have been banned for back-seat moderating?  not as many as the amount of times cokefreak has individually been banned for back-seat moderating. just a guess though. =D
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On January 30 2013 03:59 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +Anyway, I'm done with this conversation since posting an honest viewpoint is apparently frowned upon by certain forumgoers. All aboard the choo choo train to Politically Correct Land. ^^ sound familiar to anyone?
Hmmmm, could it be?
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On January 30 2013 05:12 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 05:12 Melliflue wrote:On January 30 2013 05:03 dAPhREAk wrote: ABLer bites the dust. lol How many ABLers have been banned for back-seat moderating?  not as many as the amount of times cokefreak has individually been banned for back-seat moderating. just a guess though. =D
Isnt Cokefreak considered a ABLer?
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On January 30 2013 05:34 derpface wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 05:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 30 2013 05:12 Melliflue wrote:On January 30 2013 05:03 dAPhREAk wrote: ABLer bites the dust. lol How many ABLers have been banned for back-seat moderating?  not as many as the amount of times cokefreak has individually been banned for back-seat moderating. just a guess though. =D Isnt Cokefreak considered a ABLer? He is, and he wasn't saying he isn't (by using individually).
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On January 30 2013 06:24 solidbebe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 05:34 derpface wrote:On January 30 2013 05:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 30 2013 05:12 Melliflue wrote:On January 30 2013 05:03 dAPhREAk wrote: ABLer bites the dust. lol How many ABLers have been banned for back-seat moderating?  not as many as the amount of times cokefreak has individually been banned for back-seat moderating. just a guess though. =D Isnt Cokefreak considered a ABLer? He is, and he wasn't saying he isn't (by using individually).
Yeah you are correct, I admit defeat.
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I think this TL, Internet communities, Communism, thread is going to be a mine field of bans.
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On January 30 2013 06:55 ThomasjServo wrote: I think this TL, Internet communities, Communism, thread is going to be a mine field of bans.
i have been enjoying the read for now. the '10/10 great comeback'-post was the only one i thought was BAD.
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It seems that banishment and ostracism will always remain an amusing topic on TL.
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we finally got bigger than the real abl.
I just noticed. Go us!
(I know I'm 4000 posts late)
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Not at all. He is persistent in creating new accounts once in a while though, which is a little bit annoying
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On January 30 2013 02:21 ThomasjServo wrote: My personal philosophy coming into any online community to which I am new, is basically that I am at the equivalent of being sat at the children's table during a holiday meal. You kind of are stuck there while people talk over your head until you've made enough of a contribution to the conversation to be lent some credibility in the discussion. I think it is a fair comparison to make especially in a community like TL where there is that 4% in so many threads that have known each other for so long.
BerkmanZ's account is older than mine and somehow he hasn't figured out basic courtesies when he was trying to foster discussion that has been had and closed several times over. I think the chiding, specifically in the ultralisk thread, was fairly standard thoroughfare, but when he made the "Dear TL...why?" (pity party) thread about his one warning and closed thread, that he opened himself up.
Learning through experience, we'll have to see what his next post is like assuming he even makes one. Personally I am surprised GMarshall didn't tag him with at least a temp.
A post I made in the TL Mafia banlist applies here. I'm just going to quote myself
On January 25 2013 06:00 GMarshal wrote: Something a lot of people on tl seem to miss (I've noticed it both here and in the ABL, notably), is the virtue of compassion. Whenever someone gives a two day ban, or just a warning, someone seems to feel like it's "not enough", and they miss the point of the action entirely. Many times much more is achieved by compassion than by crushing the offender under your heel. With mercy, you create good feelings and turn bad behaviors into constructive ones, while by not staying your hand, you instead create further resentment. That is not to say that there aren't times when the fullest punishment is called for, but I feel that it is wisest to err on the side of mercy, there is always time to ban someone, but the hate created by banning rarely heals.
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On January 30 2013 21:30 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 02:21 ThomasjServo wrote: My personal philosophy coming into any online community to which I am new, is basically that I am at the equivalent of being sat at the children's table during a holiday meal. You kind of are stuck there while people talk over your head until you've made enough of a contribution to the conversation to be lent some credibility in the discussion. I think it is a fair comparison to make especially in a community like TL where there is that 4% in so many threads that have known each other for so long.
BerkmanZ's account is older than mine and somehow he hasn't figured out basic courtesies when he was trying to foster discussion that has been had and closed several times over. I think the chiding, specifically in the ultralisk thread, was fairly standard thoroughfare, but when he made the "Dear TL...why?" (pity party) thread about his one warning and closed thread, that he opened himself up.
Learning through experience, we'll have to see what his next post is like assuming he even makes one. Personally I am surprised GMarshall didn't tag him with at least a temp. A post I made in the TL Mafia banlist applies here. I'm just going to quote myself Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 06:00 GMarshal wrote: Something a lot of people on tl seem to miss (I've noticed it both here and in the ABL, notably), is the virtue of compassion. Whenever someone gives a two day ban, or just a warning, someone seems to feel like it's "not enough", and they miss the point of the action entirely. Many times much more is achieved by compassion than by crushing the offender under your heel. With mercy, you create good feelings and turn bad behaviors into constructive ones, while by not staying your hand, you instead create further resentment. That is not to say that there aren't times when the fullest punishment is called for, but I feel that it is wisest to err on the side of mercy, there is always time to ban someone, but the hate created by banning rarely heals. But we in the ABL prefer harsh punishments, because this is the reality TV of the internet, and drama is king!
I'm often impressed by good moderating, but the more severe the moderation the more fun for the spectators. Don't let our voyeurism overly influence your banning.
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On January 25 2013 06:00 GMarshal wrote: Something a lot of people on tl seem to miss (I've noticed it both here and in the ABL, notably), is the virtue of compassion. Whenever someone gives a two day ban, or just a warning, someone seems to feel like it's "not enough", and they miss the point of the action entirely. Many times much more is achieved by compassion than by crushing the offender under your heel. With mercy, you create good feelings and turn bad behaviors into constructive ones, while by not staying your hand, you instead create further resentment. That is not to say that there aren't times when the fullest punishment is called for, but I feel that it is wisest to err on the side of mercy, there is always time to ban someone, but the hate created by banning rarely heals.
I can appreciate that sentiment, especially given that BerkmanZ did already seem to feel victimized and was chastised by a fair few people.
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On January 30 2013 05:12 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 05:12 Melliflue wrote:On January 30 2013 05:03 dAPhREAk wrote: ABLer bites the dust. lol How many ABLers have been banned for back-seat moderating?  not as many as the amount of times cokefreak has individually been banned for back-seat moderating. just a guess though. =D I haven't even gotten a proper warning about it yet...
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You may be providing some good leads then coke.
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On January 25 2013 06:00 GMarshal wrote: Something a lot of people on tl seem to miss (I've noticed it both here and in the ABL, notably), is the virtue of compassion. Whenever someone gives a two day ban, or just a warning, someone seems to feel like it's "not enough", and they miss the point of the action entirely. Many times much more is achieved by compassion than by crushing the offender under your heel. With mercy, you create good feelings and turn bad behaviors into constructive ones, while by not staying your hand, you instead create further resentment. That is not to say that there aren't times when the fullest punishment is called for, but I feel that it is wisest to err on the side of mercy, there is always time to ban someone, but the hate created by banning rarely heals.
I can certainly relate to the sentiment. A permaban is in some form an admission of defeat by both the moderating team and the poster in perpetuating this community. It's very easy to let oneself be overcome by cynicism and shadenfreude, but most people react very differently when put on the defensive and publicly mocked. Granted, some never learn and end up deserving their treatment, but many others make honest mistakes and just need to be told when they are crossing the line. Just look at Seeker's reaction every time someone brings up his ban (may he never live it down :p).
Everyone was a newbie once.
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On January 31 2013 00:09 scFoX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 06:00 GMarshal wrote: Something a lot of people on tl seem to miss (I've noticed it both here and in the ABL, notably), is the virtue of compassion. Whenever someone gives a two day ban, or just a warning, someone seems to feel like it's "not enough", and they miss the point of the action entirely. Many times much more is achieved by compassion than by crushing the offender under your heel. With mercy, you create good feelings and turn bad behaviors into constructive ones, while by not staying your hand, you instead create further resentment. That is not to say that there aren't times when the fullest punishment is called for, but I feel that it is wisest to err on the side of mercy, there is always time to ban someone, but the hate created by banning rarely heals. I can certainly relate to the sentiment. A permaban is in some form an admission of defeat by both the moderating team and the poster in perpetuating this community. It's very easy to let oneself be overcome by cynicism and shadenfreude, but most people react very differently when put on the defensive and publicly mocked. Granted, some never learn and end up deserving their treatment, but many others make honest mistakes and just need to be told when they are crossing the line. Just look at Seeker's reaction every time someone brings up his ban (may he never live it down :p). Everyone was a newbie once.
I agree. I remember almost every single one of my (very few ! ) warnings. Most of them were from the early days on TL, simply from not being familiar with certain rules and such. They really had an effect on me every time. Sometimes a warning is all it takes to effectively have an impact and that's the way it should be in my opinion. The idea of taking little steps rather than jumping far ahead to more drastic measures is generally very effective. That way you have more tools available because you started off with the smallest one. That's a very common approach in medicine too. The least intrusive first. If that works - YAY. If it doesn't you go up a step (e.g. physical therapy -> orthotics -> injections -> surgery). If you start with injections (to stick with this generalized example) the only treatment left is the surgery or the TLuser-ectomy (some users like to follow that up with a total endo-TLuser-prosthesis).
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Although on the other hand I think the ever present threat of a permaban shapes the community in such a way that it will respond more readily to warnings with the knowledge that they are not empty threats.
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I fear only God and a permaban. Everything else is just details.
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