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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
January 29 2013 20:12 GMT
#34121
On January 30 2013 05:12 Melliflue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 05:03 dAPhREAk wrote:
ABLer bites the dust. lol

How many ABLers have been banned for back-seat moderating?

not as many as the amount of times cokefreak has individually been banned for back-seat moderating. just a guess though. =D
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
January 29 2013 20:19 GMT
#34122
On January 30 2013 03:59 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
Anyway, I'm done with this conversation since posting an honest viewpoint is apparently frowned upon by certain forumgoers. All aboard the choo choo train to Politically Correct Land. ^^

sound familiar to anyone?


Hmmmm, could it be?
derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
January 29 2013 20:34 GMT
#34123
On January 30 2013 05:12 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 05:12 Melliflue wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:03 dAPhREAk wrote:
ABLer bites the dust. lol

How many ABLers have been banned for back-seat moderating?

not as many as the amount of times cokefreak has individually been banned for back-seat moderating. just a guess though. =D



Isnt Cokefreak considered a ABLer?
gg no re #_< no1 Hydra and Leta fan >_#
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
January 29 2013 21:24 GMT
#34124
On January 30 2013 05:34 derpface wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 05:12 dAPhREAk wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:12 Melliflue wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:03 dAPhREAk wrote:
ABLer bites the dust. lol

How many ABLers have been banned for back-seat moderating?

not as many as the amount of times cokefreak has individually been banned for back-seat moderating. just a guess though. =D



Isnt Cokefreak considered a ABLer?

He is, and he wasn't saying he isn't (by using individually).
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
January 29 2013 21:38 GMT
#34125
On January 30 2013 06:24 solidbebe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 05:34 derpface wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:12 dAPhREAk wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:12 Melliflue wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:03 dAPhREAk wrote:
ABLer bites the dust. lol

How many ABLers have been banned for back-seat moderating?

not as many as the amount of times cokefreak has individually been banned for back-seat moderating. just a guess though. =D



Isnt Cokefreak considered a ABLer?

He is, and he wasn't saying he isn't (by using individually).


Yeah you are correct, I admit defeat.
gg no re #_< no1 Hydra and Leta fan >_#
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
January 29 2013 21:55 GMT
#34126
I think this TL, Internet communities, Communism, thread is going to be a mine field of bans.
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
January 29 2013 22:29 GMT
#34127
On January 30 2013 06:55 ThomasjServo wrote:
I think this TL, Internet communities, Communism, thread is going to be a mine field of bans.


i have been enjoying the read for now. the '10/10 great comeback'-post was the only one i thought was BAD.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Unshapely
Profile Joined November 2012
140 Posts
January 29 2013 22:40 GMT
#34128
It seems that banishment and ostracism will always remain an amusing topic on TL.
That is not dead which can eternal lie; and with strange aeons even death may die.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 22:43:46
January 29 2013 22:42 GMT
#34129
we finally got bigger than the real abl.

I just noticed. Go us!

(I know I'm 4000 posts late)
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 30 2013 01:14 GMT
#34130
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=1512#30224
Is the previously banned user anyone interesting?
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
January 30 2013 01:19 GMT
#34131
Not at all. He is persistent in creating new accounts once in a while though, which is a little bit annoying
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
January 30 2013 12:30 GMT
#34132
On January 30 2013 02:21 ThomasjServo wrote:
My personal philosophy coming into any online community to which I am new, is basically that I am at the equivalent of being sat at the children's table during a holiday meal. You kind of are stuck there while people talk over your head until you've made enough of a contribution to the conversation to be lent some credibility in the discussion. I think it is a fair comparison to make especially in a community like TL where there is that 4% in so many threads that have known each other for so long.

BerkmanZ's account is older than mine and somehow he hasn't figured out basic courtesies when he was trying to foster discussion that has been had and closed several times over. I think the chiding, specifically in the ultralisk thread, was fairly standard thoroughfare, but when he made the "Dear TL...why?" (pity party) thread about his one warning and closed thread, that he opened himself up.

Learning through experience, we'll have to see what his next post is like assuming he even makes one. Personally I am surprised GMarshall didn't tag him with at least a temp.


A post I made in the TL Mafia banlist applies here. I'm just going to quote myself

On January 25 2013 06:00 GMarshal wrote:
Something a lot of people on tl seem to miss (I've noticed it both here and in the ABL, notably), is the virtue of compassion. Whenever someone gives a two day ban, or just a warning, someone seems to feel like it's "not enough", and they miss the point of the action entirely. Many times much more is achieved by compassion than by crushing the offender under your heel. With mercy, you create good feelings and turn bad behaviors into constructive ones, while by not staying your hand, you instead create further resentment. That is not to say that there aren't times when the fullest punishment is called for, but I feel that it is wisest to err on the side of mercy, there is always time to ban someone, but the hate created by banning rarely heals.

Moderator
kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
January 30 2013 12:50 GMT
#34133
On January 30 2013 21:30 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 02:21 ThomasjServo wrote:
My personal philosophy coming into any online community to which I am new, is basically that I am at the equivalent of being sat at the children's table during a holiday meal. You kind of are stuck there while people talk over your head until you've made enough of a contribution to the conversation to be lent some credibility in the discussion. I think it is a fair comparison to make especially in a community like TL where there is that 4% in so many threads that have known each other for so long.

BerkmanZ's account is older than mine and somehow he hasn't figured out basic courtesies when he was trying to foster discussion that has been had and closed several times over. I think the chiding, specifically in the ultralisk thread, was fairly standard thoroughfare, but when he made the "Dear TL...why?" (pity party) thread about his one warning and closed thread, that he opened himself up.

Learning through experience, we'll have to see what his next post is like assuming he even makes one. Personally I am surprised GMarshall didn't tag him with at least a temp.


A post I made in the TL Mafia banlist applies here. I'm just going to quote myself

Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 06:00 GMarshal wrote:
Something a lot of people on tl seem to miss (I've noticed it both here and in the ABL, notably), is the virtue of compassion. Whenever someone gives a two day ban, or just a warning, someone seems to feel like it's "not enough", and they miss the point of the action entirely. Many times much more is achieved by compassion than by crushing the offender under your heel. With mercy, you create good feelings and turn bad behaviors into constructive ones, while by not staying your hand, you instead create further resentment. That is not to say that there aren't times when the fullest punishment is called for, but I feel that it is wisest to err on the side of mercy, there is always time to ban someone, but the hate created by banning rarely heals.


But we in the ABL prefer harsh punishments, because this is the reality TV of the internet, and drama is king!

I'm often impressed by good moderating, but the more severe the moderation the more fun for the spectators. Don't let our voyeurism overly influence your banning.
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
January 30 2013 13:44 GMT
#34134
On January 25 2013 06:00 GMarshal wrote:
Something a lot of people on tl seem to miss (I've noticed it both here and in the ABL, notably), is the virtue of compassion. Whenever someone gives a two day ban, or just a warning, someone seems to feel like it's "not enough", and they miss the point of the action entirely. Many times much more is achieved by compassion than by crushing the offender under your heel. With mercy, you create good feelings and turn bad behaviors into constructive ones, while by not staying your hand, you instead create further resentment. That is not to say that there aren't times when the fullest punishment is called for, but I feel that it is wisest to err on the side of mercy, there is always time to ban someone, but the hate created by banning rarely heals.


I can appreciate that sentiment, especially given that BerkmanZ did already seem to feel victimized and was chastised by a fair few people.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
January 30 2013 14:34 GMT
#34135
On January 30 2013 05:12 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 05:12 Melliflue wrote:
On January 30 2013 05:03 dAPhREAk wrote:
ABLer bites the dust. lol

How many ABLers have been banned for back-seat moderating?

not as many as the amount of times cokefreak has individually been banned for back-seat moderating. just a guess though. =D

I haven't even gotten a proper warning about it yet...
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
January 30 2013 14:37 GMT
#34136
You may be providing some good leads then coke.
scFoX
Profile Joined September 2011
France454 Posts
January 30 2013 15:09 GMT
#34137
On January 25 2013 06:00 GMarshal wrote:
Something a lot of people on tl seem to miss (I've noticed it both here and in the ABL, notably), is the virtue of compassion. Whenever someone gives a two day ban, or just a warning, someone seems to feel like it's "not enough", and they miss the point of the action entirely. Many times much more is achieved by compassion than by crushing the offender under your heel. With mercy, you create good feelings and turn bad behaviors into constructive ones, while by not staying your hand, you instead create further resentment. That is not to say that there aren't times when the fullest punishment is called for, but I feel that it is wisest to err on the side of mercy, there is always time to ban someone, but the hate created by banning rarely heals.


I can certainly relate to the sentiment. A permaban is in some form an admission of defeat by both the moderating team and the poster in perpetuating this community. It's very easy to let oneself be overcome by cynicism and shadenfreude, but most people react very differently when put on the defensive and publicly mocked. Granted, some never learn and end up deserving their treatment, but many others make honest mistakes and just need to be told when they are crossing the line. Just look at Seeker's reaction every time someone brings up his ban (may he never live it down :p).

Everyone was a newbie once.
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 15:42:34
January 30 2013 15:33 GMT
#34138
On January 31 2013 00:09 scFoX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 06:00 GMarshal wrote:
Something a lot of people on tl seem to miss (I've noticed it both here and in the ABL, notably), is the virtue of compassion. Whenever someone gives a two day ban, or just a warning, someone seems to feel like it's "not enough", and they miss the point of the action entirely. Many times much more is achieved by compassion than by crushing the offender under your heel. With mercy, you create good feelings and turn bad behaviors into constructive ones, while by not staying your hand, you instead create further resentment. That is not to say that there aren't times when the fullest punishment is called for, but I feel that it is wisest to err on the side of mercy, there is always time to ban someone, but the hate created by banning rarely heals.


I can certainly relate to the sentiment. A permaban is in some form an admission of defeat by both the moderating team and the poster in perpetuating this community. It's very easy to let oneself be overcome by cynicism and shadenfreude, but most people react very differently when put on the defensive and publicly mocked. Granted, some never learn and end up deserving their treatment, but many others make honest mistakes and just need to be told when they are crossing the line. Just look at Seeker's reaction every time someone brings up his ban (may he never live it down :p).

Everyone was a newbie once.


I agree. I remember almost every single one of my (very few ! ) warnings. Most of them were from the early days on TL, simply from not being familiar with certain rules and such. They really had an effect on me every time. Sometimes a warning is all it takes to effectively have an impact and that's the way it should be in my opinion. The idea of taking little steps rather than jumping far ahead to more drastic measures is generally very effective. That way you have more tools available because you started off with the smallest one. That's a very common approach in medicine too. The least intrusive first. If that works - YAY. If it doesn't you go up a step (e.g. physical therapy -> orthotics -> injections -> surgery). If you start with injections (to stick with this generalized example) the only treatment left is the surgery or the TLuser-ectomy (some users like to follow that up with a total endo-TLuser-prosthesis).
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kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
January 30 2013 17:12 GMT
#34139
Although on the other hand I think the ever present threat of a permaban shapes the community in such a way that it will respond more readily to warnings with the knowledge that they are not empty threats.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
January 30 2013 17:59 GMT
#34140
I fear only God and a permaban. Everything else is just details.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
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