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This thread is for discussing recent bans. Don't discuss other topics here. Take it to website feedback if you disagree with a ban or want to raise an issue. Keep it civil. NOTE: For those of you who want to find the actual ABL thread where the bans are posted. Please look in here: https://tl.net/forum/closed-threads/ | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On January 30 2013 05:12 Melliflue wrote: How many ABLers have been banned for back-seat moderating?  not as many as the amount of times cokefreak has individually been banned for back-seat moderating. just a guess though. =D | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
Hmmmm, could it be? | ||
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derpface
Sweden925 Posts
On January 30 2013 05:12 dAPhREAk wrote: not as many as the amount of times cokefreak has individually been banned for back-seat moderating. just a guess though. =D Isnt Cokefreak considered a ABLer? | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
He is, and he wasn't saying he isn't (by using individually). | ||
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derpface
Sweden925 Posts
On January 30 2013 06:24 solidbebe wrote: He is, and he wasn't saying he isn't (by using individually). Yeah you are correct, I admit defeat. | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On January 30 2013 06:55 ThomasjServo wrote: I think this TL, Internet communities, Communism, thread is going to be a mine field of bans. i have been enjoying the read for now. the '10/10 great comeback'-post was the only one i thought was BAD. | ||
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Unshapely
140 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
I just noticed. Go us! (I know I'm 4000 posts late) | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
Is the previously banned user anyone interesting? | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25657 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On January 30 2013 02:21 ThomasjServo wrote: My personal philosophy coming into any online community to which I am new, is basically that I am at the equivalent of being sat at the children's table during a holiday meal. You kind of are stuck there while people talk over your head until you've made enough of a contribution to the conversation to be lent some credibility in the discussion. I think it is a fair comparison to make especially in a community like TL where there is that 4% in so many threads that have known each other for so long. BerkmanZ's account is older than mine and somehow he hasn't figured out basic courtesies when he was trying to foster discussion that has been had and closed several times over. I think the chiding, specifically in the ultralisk thread, was fairly standard thoroughfare, but when he made the "Dear TL...why?" (pity party) thread about his one warning and closed thread, that he opened himself up. Learning through experience, we'll have to see what his next post is like assuming he even makes one. Personally I am surprised GMarshall didn't tag him with at least a temp. A post I made in the TL Mafia banlist applies here. I'm just going to quote myself On January 25 2013 06:00 GMarshal wrote: Something a lot of people on tl seem to miss (I've noticed it both here and in the ABL, notably), is the virtue of compassion. Whenever someone gives a two day ban, or just a warning, someone seems to feel like it's "not enough", and they miss the point of the action entirely. Many times much more is achieved by compassion than by crushing the offender under your heel. With mercy, you create good feelings and turn bad behaviors into constructive ones, while by not staying your hand, you instead create further resentment. That is not to say that there aren't times when the fullest punishment is called for, but I feel that it is wisest to err on the side of mercy, there is always time to ban someone, but the hate created by banning rarely heals. | ||
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kerpal
United Kingdom2695 Posts
On January 30 2013 21:30 GMarshal wrote: A post I made in the TL Mafia banlist applies here. I'm just going to quote myself But we in the ABL prefer harsh punishments, because this is the reality TV of the internet, and drama is king! I'm often impressed by good moderating, but the more severe the moderation the more fun for the spectators. Don't let our voyeurism overly influence your banning. | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On January 25 2013 06:00 GMarshal wrote: Something a lot of people on tl seem to miss (I've noticed it both here and in the ABL, notably), is the virtue of compassion. Whenever someone gives a two day ban, or just a warning, someone seems to feel like it's "not enough", and they miss the point of the action entirely. Many times much more is achieved by compassion than by crushing the offender under your heel. With mercy, you create good feelings and turn bad behaviors into constructive ones, while by not staying your hand, you instead create further resentment. That is not to say that there aren't times when the fullest punishment is called for, but I feel that it is wisest to err on the side of mercy, there is always time to ban someone, but the hate created by banning rarely heals. I can appreciate that sentiment, especially given that BerkmanZ did already seem to feel victimized and was chastised by a fair few people. | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
On January 30 2013 05:12 dAPhREAk wrote: not as many as the amount of times cokefreak has individually been banned for back-seat moderating. just a guess though. =D I haven't even gotten a proper warning about it yet... | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
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scFoX
France454 Posts
On January 25 2013 06:00 GMarshal wrote: Something a lot of people on tl seem to miss (I've noticed it both here and in the ABL, notably), is the virtue of compassion. Whenever someone gives a two day ban, or just a warning, someone seems to feel like it's "not enough", and they miss the point of the action entirely. Many times much more is achieved by compassion than by crushing the offender under your heel. With mercy, you create good feelings and turn bad behaviors into constructive ones, while by not staying your hand, you instead create further resentment. That is not to say that there aren't times when the fullest punishment is called for, but I feel that it is wisest to err on the side of mercy, there is always time to ban someone, but the hate created by banning rarely heals. I can certainly relate to the sentiment. A permaban is in some form an admission of defeat by both the moderating team and the poster in perpetuating this community. It's very easy to let oneself be overcome by cynicism and shadenfreude, but most people react very differently when put on the defensive and publicly mocked. Granted, some never learn and end up deserving their treatment, but many others make honest mistakes and just need to be told when they are crossing the line. Just look at Seeker's reaction every time someone brings up his ban (may he never live it down :p). Everyone was a newbie once. | ||
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JOJOsc2news
3000 Posts
On January 31 2013 00:09 scFoX wrote: I can certainly relate to the sentiment. A permaban is in some form an admission of defeat by both the moderating team and the poster in perpetuating this community. It's very easy to let oneself be overcome by cynicism and shadenfreude, but most people react very differently when put on the defensive and publicly mocked. Granted, some never learn and end up deserving their treatment, but many others make honest mistakes and just need to be told when they are crossing the line. Just look at Seeker's reaction every time someone brings up his ban (may he never live it down :p). Everyone was a newbie once. I agree. I remember almost every single one of my (very few ! ) warnings. Most of them were from the early days on TL, simply from not being familiar with certain rules and such. They really had an effect on me every time. Sometimes a warning is all it takes to effectively have an impact and that's the way it should be in my opinion. The idea of taking little steps rather than jumping far ahead to more drastic measures is generally very effective. That way you have more tools available because you started off with the smallest one. That's a very common approach in medicine too. The least intrusive first. If that works - YAY. If it doesn't you go up a step (e.g. physical therapy -> orthotics -> injections -> surgery). If you start with injections (to stick with this generalized example) the only treatment left is the surgery or the TLuser-ectomy (some users like to follow that up with a total endo-TLuser-prosthesis). | ||
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kerpal
United Kingdom2695 Posts
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farvacola
United States18846 Posts
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