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Axieoqu
Profile Joined October 2005
Finland204 Posts
March 18 2014 14:34 GMT
#241
My favorite exercise is to climb one or two grades easier problems than normally with one side facing the wall for the whole problem. Then climb the same problem with the other side facing the wall. The two main benefits: a) forces you to think how leg positioning changes depending on your balance and b) lets you practice strange moves and positions you normally wouldn't encounter until reaching harder grades.

I do it every now and then and its really strange how I always seem to find some new ideas and learn more about my climbing. No matter what grades I'm currently working on.

Maybe you guys could share some of your favorite exercises or (mind) tricks?
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
March 18 2014 15:23 GMT
#242
i campus at the end of every session because it makes me look cool
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0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4602 Posts
March 19 2014 09:13 GMT
#243
http://vimeo.com/89390488
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Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
March 19 2014 15:12 GMT
#244
saving routes like that seems like a lot of fun
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EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
March 19 2014 18:49 GMT
#245
I have enough problems as it is without chainsaws...
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 19 2014 20:56 GMT
#246
Love climbing, dislike heights, fml.
I think esports is pretty nice.
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
March 19 2014 21:38 GMT
#247
On March 20 2014 05:56 Saechiis wrote:
Love climbing, dislike heights, fml.

Boulder in caves/traverse
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0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4602 Posts
March 20 2014 08:34 GMT
#248
2 km where I grew up:

http://www.kwg.tv/go/?3142a3e
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IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
March 28 2014 10:59 GMT
#249
A little bit late, but I was too busy to post it on TL. Ice Climbing Festival in Sochi was held during Olympic Games. The most awesome part is that russian sportsmen used the equipment of the company I work for! (Not big names!)

Question to the fellow climbers from Netherlands: would you consider buying equipment from russian company if it has all necessary certification + has orange colour rather than buying everything standard from big names like Petzl, Black Diamond, etc.?
Insert wise words here
Rimstalker
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany734 Posts
April 03 2014 08:08 GMT
#250
Went to the El Chorro (Southern Spain, an hour from Malaga) at the beginning of March. My friends traversed the infamous 'Camino del Rey', but the climbing in the gorge was not so special. Youtube video (not from them) of that place:


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Here be Dragons
Rimstalker
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany734 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-03 08:55:40
April 03 2014 08:54 GMT
#251
On March 18 2014 03:42 0x64 wrote:
I'm still having troubles on simple slabs.
I need to develop the balance.
Also I have troubles with the tendons.
I can't climb 2 days in a row, I need at least 2 days of rest, is it ever going to get better?
I climbed yesterday, today after 3 routes I had to stop because I know my limit and then if I did more I wouldn't be able to use my hands for a week.
Maybe there are some tricks, like drink a gallon of water and inject some flaxseed oil in the rectum, or something climbers just don't talk about :D


What helped me tons with balance was to do (easy) indoor routes 'stupidly'. We have the children's wall in the gym, which has top ropes attached, and half of it is angled. Where the angled part meets the non-angled, you have a corner (don't know the climbing specific term for it, sorry), that widens as it goes up. At that place, we'd climb up, using handholds of one color only with the feet, and the hands only flat on the wall. Seemed impossible at the start, but after a couple of times, you get the hang of it, and it teaches you how to move and place your weight. Sometimes, placing your feet only one centimeter differently already makes the difference between failure and success.

I like corners a lot, so I also make my own routes on the 'outside' (90 degrees of wall, 270 degrees air) or I go up on 'inside' corners, only using the wall and structures for my feet, or only using one side for feet, and the other one for hands.

About tendons (and joints): I always had painful elbows after climbing overhangs, probably due to the joints not being used to the stress, and bad technique on top of it. So I specialized in climbing vertical routes, and only do 1 or 2 overhangs, and not at all if my elbows were acting up. After two years of that, I can now do overhangs and roofs until my arms give in. What parts of your hands are hurting? Beginners generally use way too much power with their hands and arms.

About rest: Sauna is amazing, and hot baths help as well. When we go on climbing trips, the limiting factor is usually the skin on our fingertips that gets worn off, so we climb for three days, then have a rest day, then three more days.
Here be Dragons
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
April 03 2014 20:20 GMT
#252
On March 18 2014 23:34 Axieoqu wrote:

Maybe you guys could share some of your favorite exercises or (mind) tricks?


Eliminates. Take something that's like a grade below your limit and start taking stuff off until it's at or above your limit. And I make up a lot of my own stuff in the gym these days. Find a move that's fun to do and build a problem around it.
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CatNzHat
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1599 Posts
April 04 2014 22:55 GMT
#253
On March 20 2014 05:56 Saechiis wrote:
Love climbing, dislike heights, fml.

Climbing will help you overcome the fear of heights. Fall a few (read: thousand) times on top rope and you'll be fine.
AeroGear
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada652 Posts
April 05 2014 00:12 GMT
#254
Climbing injuries is often the result of trying to progress too quickly. Grades aboves 5.10+ or V3 is alot more taxing on tendons and joints if proper strenght and balance is'nt built over time beforehand. I've had elbow, shoulder and hand/wrist pain (for 1 week+) for attempting to force my way through grades. I've seen plenty of people injured who stubbornly keep climbing...

Ultimately its up to you to determine your inherent limits, mental as much as physical. I can run and climb decently but I can't do it everyday.

My 2014 goal would be to send a 5.12 >_<
Driven by hate, fueled by rage
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11556 Posts
April 17 2014 03:33 GMT
#255
Tore my rotator cuff (noooo....)

here's 2 pics of me on my send of smooth criminal
http://imgur.com/gd2XOx6,YGCbIEM#0
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 06:44:07
April 17 2014 06:42 GMT
#256
On March 15 2014 01:37 Epoxide wrote:
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On March 15 2014 00:02 intrigue wrote:
i recently got into bouldering. i've gone once a week for 2 months now (this is a huge commitment for physical activity from me if you know me! i'll step it up when i can) and i like it a lot. i really suck but even at once a week i feel like i'm improving and getting less out of shape. i used to get really tired from doing a few v0s and couldn't really do any v1s. i can do a bunch of v1s in a row now without getting the shakes and my general efficiency/strength/endurance all seem a lot better.

i'm starting some v2s now but i keep running into the same issue. i can do some, but on most of them i end up 'stuck' in a position where i feel like i have no leverage to get to the next hold, or it looks like it requires some burst of strength i don't have or a 'leap of faith' to advance. is this normal? it feels like i'm approaching/planning how to tackle a problem wrong conceptually and i'm just weak as shit (definitely true). do you guys have any tips for beginners trying to overcome this? i've just been throwing myself at it stubbornly. also how much more difficult is each level from the next, v0 v1 v2 v3 v4



Try to always keep arms straight. Using outside edge whenever you can makes things muuuuuuch much easier. I could climb a lot more when I started using it more frequently.

I had the hardest time going from V4 to V5. V5 to V6 and V6 to V7 was a lot easier for me. It got harder again from V7 to V8, and I've been on V8 for almost a year now.


THIS VIDEO IS SO HELPFUL LOL

I'd been doing like v4-v5 off of just pure body/grip strength and always wondering why i suck so bad lol
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-18 16:21:02
April 18 2014 16:20 GMT
#257
This years first outdoor season yesterday, did a 6m (20 feet) high 6b highball, the top-out was so scary >_<

You get really addicted to that adrenaline rush though
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0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4602 Posts
April 18 2014 20:27 GMT
#258
Went outdoor today also, into a crag discovered a month ago by some local climbers, it is now the closest place for me to climb, 25 min of driving.

http://27crags.com/crags/taljala

They have already done 20 routes, but there might be 20x more to do, many, huge boulders, some are really big monsters close to 7 meters on the high side, very rare in this part of Finland.

Didn't climb much though, did maybe 2 slab around 4, and one baby slab as a 3-4...
One hour ago, someone even uploaded a video for one route, check it out.

On a side-note, I really hate finnish granite, it's the Lada of bouldering. It works, but anything else would be better.
It's sharp, huge chunk breaks after each winter... When you come from Bleau, it's really hard to get exited.
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Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
April 18 2014 22:08 GMT
#259
On April 19 2014 05:27 0x64 wrote:
Went outdoor today also, into a crag discovered a month ago by some local climbers, it is now the closest place for me to climb, 25 min of driving.

http://27crags.com/crags/taljala

They have already done 20 routes, but there might be 20x more to do, many, huge boulders, some are really big monsters close to 7 meters on the high side, very rare in this part of Finland.

Didn't climb much though, did maybe 2 slab around 4, and one baby slab as a 3-4...
One hour ago, someone even uploaded a video for one route, check it out.

On a side-note, I really hate finnish granite, it's the Lada of bouldering. It works, but anything else would be better.
It's sharp, huge chunk breaks after each winter... When you come from Bleau, it's really hard to get exited.

same in Sweden, sharp granite is just ugh
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CatfooD
Profile Joined April 2010
United States203 Posts
April 22 2014 06:44 GMT
#260
On March 15 2014 00:02 intrigue wrote:
i'm starting some v2s now but i keep running into the same issue. i can do some, but on most of them i end up 'stuck' in a position where i feel like i have no leverage to get to the next hold, or it looks like it requires some burst of strength i don't have or a 'leap of faith' to advance. is this normal? it feels like i'm approaching/planning how to tackle a problem wrong conceptually and i'm just weak as shit (definitely true). do you guys have any tips for beginners trying to overcome this? i've just been throwing myself at it stubbornly. also how much more difficult is each level from the next, v0 v1 v2 v3 v4


One concept that I must enforce for beginners is the importance of your footwork. Starting out, people that are generally in good shape can climb V0-V1 without much difficulty within their first few weeks. But once you start attempting V2s, you are much more pressured to use your footwork to your advantage much more than before. I would highly suggest observing better climbers when you are resting at the gym and pay special attention to the way they maneuver their feet.

I like to think of it as a general 2:1 ratio -- for each move you make with your hands, you ought to be moving your feet twice. This is not always true or accurate of course, but it stresses the importance of positioning your body to generate force in a particular direction much better. Your footwork will also dictate the orientation of the rest of your body to the wall, what direction your hips are facing, and how your body is going to move in reference to the holds you are grabbing if you pressed on your feet at any moment. If you observe better climbers while they are warming up on some of these V2s you are working on, you will notice how they move their feet in reference to the holds they are grabbing.

Obviously strength is a huge issue as well, but I would argue that having proper footwork, knowing your center of gravity, understanding how body tension works, consciously breathing, drinking lots of water, being properly rested, warmed up, and fed all have arguably more important roles than focusing on how strong you are currently. Most importantly this is because you cannot change how strong you are in the moment, but you can change all of the rest of these things. Strength will come with time and effort over time, and specifically from training to be stronger.

I would suggest taking a completely holistic approach to climbing and not thinking about it in terms of sheer strength at all. You will want to work out your abs regularly in order to maintain a strong core that is essential for controlling your body tension on the wall. You will also want to (eventually) practice hanging on finger boards to develop strength in your tendons. You will want to practice pull-ups and negatives on hangboards to develop muscle strength using different grip positions, such as on jugs, slopers, pinches, crimps, etc. When warming up, practice traversing back and forth across the top-rope walls, and often challenge yourself to make longer moves and grab smaller holds. Make sure and strength each of your fingers carefully but firmly in all directions before climbing hard after warming up, and you should also sit down and stretch your legs out in several ways for 5 minutes before climbing hard.

Although all of these things might seem like a burden to remember, I guarantee you that if you pay attention to developing your skills on all of these fronts that you will not only be much better and more well-rounded of a climbing in the long run, but you will develop fast, efficiently, and be happy doing so. There is much more to climbing than simply being strong enough to do a pull up right off each hold to get to the top.
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