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On May 02 2012 14:42 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 14:27 Namenlos wrote:What is the resoning behind this? Afaik Idra wanted to not be on the list and had no choice. I do not see the difference here. Idra's stream will still be listed in the stream section. Our stream list is an informational resource much like the TLPD, Calendar, or Liquipedia. We believe for these resources to function properly, they must be comprehensive and complete and thus we do not remove banned pro players from them. Do you take him out of TLPD, Calendar and Liquipedia too? It feels like you want the kick people to the max when they are on the ground and feature or unfeature the streams against their will. I think that is very immature - one of the points tl criticized about steven. I did not make the decision regarding Destiny's defeaturing. I do not know the reasons behind the decision. But I can imagine that the reasoning went something like this: Destiny is not really a member of the TL community. He barely posts on TL and does not know what a "red name" means. If his account is banned, but his stream is still up, the ban was not a real punishment, and there is no incentive to keep him from mucking up the forums. Therefore, defeaturing the stream is necessary for the ban to have any meaning.
Pretty sure he's still featured. He's just banned and can't set his stream online.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On May 02 2012 15:02 Namenlos wrote:
I am happy that this is not an official statement. Because that sound like abuse of power to me. Punish with any given possibility. This seriously destroys any informative character the streamlist had. Instead it is a people who tl likes list. Any eta on a statement?
Btw what means the colored name, if Destiny is not right with that quote: "I thought the colored name or w/e meant he was a mod or some shit?"?
Btw where is your threshold of a member of TL, by you definition I (every 10 days a post) am not half the member Destiny (one post every 5 days) is.
Let me address your minor points before getting to your major one.
Destiny's comment on Twitter makes it clear that he did not know Intrigue was a mod. Destiny has not made more than five posts on TL in the past year that did not have to do with something directly related to himself. Regardless of how we define what being a "member of the TL community" means, it seems obvious that a ban is not a real punishment to someone like Destiny.
I will dodge the "abuse of power" thing because I don't understand what you mean by that.
Your characterization of the streamlist as a "people who TL likes list" is inaccurate. A better characterization would be a "people who aren't actively making TL worse" list.
I can't see the problem with denying a spot on the TL stream list to someone who is actively making TL worse. Can you explain why that is a problem?
On May 02 2012 15:16 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 14:42 motbob wrote:On May 02 2012 14:27 Namenlos wrote:What is the resoning behind this? Afaik Idra wanted to not be on the list and had no choice. I do not see the difference here. Idra's stream will still be listed in the stream section. Our stream list is an informational resource much like the TLPD, Calendar, or Liquipedia. We believe for these resources to function properly, they must be comprehensive and complete and thus we do not remove banned pro players from them. Do you take him out of TLPD, Calendar and Liquipedia too? It feels like you want the kick people to the max when they are on the ground and feature or unfeature the streams against their will. I think that is very immature - one of the points tl criticized about steven. I did not make the decision regarding Destiny's defeaturing. I do not know the reasons behind the decision. But I can imagine that the reasoning went something like this: Destiny is not really a member of the TL community. He barely posts on TL and does not know what a "red name" means. If his account is banned, but his stream is still up, the ban was not a real punishment, and there is no incentive to keep him from mucking up the forums. Therefore, defeaturing the stream is necessary for the ban to have any meaning. Pretty sure he's still featured. He's just banned and can't set his stream online.
Poor choice of words, but it's effectively a temporary defeaturing.
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On May 02 2012 14:38 Sharkyloft wrote:
Hi, I have a question.
For Hero and Taeja, what are the changes in their lives when joining Liquid? Do they still practice with oGs and if so then what benefits do they gain by joining teamliquid? Also, what is the team doing make their korean players better? and, Do all the players unite some time or is it like two flanks, teamliquid korea and teamliquid world?
Thanks!
Not a lot of changes. What HerO and TaeJa were doing was clearly working, and TL isn't the type of team to presume we know better. HerO has continued to practice with TL and oGs in the oGs house, and TaeJa has continued to practice from home, where he played during much of his time at Slayers. Both players have gained the investment that gives them the opportunity to go to foreign tournaments and gain experience in LAN and high pressure situations, as well as the opportunity to win. Both have gained the publicity for streaming and invites that comes with being on a team like Liquid. Both have gained a lot of support, both privately and publicly. Both have gained the advantage of my killer wit, as well.
All of TL was together for IPL4. I think you'll be seeing quite a few TL players together in one setting sometime in the future as well!
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On May 02 2012 15:20 motbob wrote:[…]
I will dodge the "abuse of power" thing because I don't understand what you mean by that.
Your characterization of the streamlist as a "people who TL likes list" is inaccurate. A better characterization would be a "people who aren't actively making TL worse" list.
I can't see the problem with denying a spot on the TL stream list to someone who is actively making TL worse. Can you explain why that is a problem?[…]
I had to look abuse of power up but I'm pretty sure it accurately describes this situation. Your site has a lot of power and having a streamer in the (featured/non featured) list greately increases his viewers. The same goes for tournaments in your calender. If you ban or allow players based on the fact what would be the most punishment for disagreeing with them you abuse your powers as a community website.
At the time of the Idra incident he was clearly not one the "people who aren't actively making TL worse" side of streamers, even though the ban list was pretty funny to read. And he was featured all the time. So I really doubt "people who aren't actively making TL worse" fits better than "people who TL likes list". That said, I wouldnt really use his statements in the thread tl failed to close early as he reacted to way worse accusations in worse words. And seriously this post and the following clearly shows that the mod wasnt really calming down the situation. "this is the thread where you define yourself! r o f l" is not a thing I wanted to read from a mod in a pitchfork thread against myself. And besides his drama threads, that do not got locked down early enough, I dont see him making tl worse.
edit: please respond in this thread as stated below.
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Zurich15365 Posts
Please, if you disagree with forum policy and moderation, make a thread in Website Feedback, don't derail this thread here.
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With the combination of SC2 and BW in PL, do you see this site continuing to maintain separate boards for the two games? Obviously the strategy boards would be separate, but would the general boards stay separate as well? I could see the older and smaller BW community being outvoiced by the SC2 crowd which would be a bit annoying for them, but for all intents and purposes, the two games have the same community now.
Historically, the two game communities have been very vocal against each other, with occasional conflicts here and there. Will TL change to accommodate the hybrid league, or will this site essentially run as it always has, in a sense ignoring the fact that the games have been combined and run as two separate communities?
Tournament live reports also seem a little complicated to me, seeing as how it's not really an SC2 tournament and it's not really a BW tournament, but it's awkward to have two separate LR threads in the SC2 tournament board and BW tournament board.
I guess what I'm really asking and am interested in is, does TL intend to change anything about how it is run as a result of the KESPA merger?
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Ok, just answer in this thread as the topics is the same in that thread. Obv a link and a quote would be nice for others to follow.
I hope its ok using that thread, if wanted i will open a new one and c&p those posts into it.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On May 02 2012 16:01 Emporio wrote:
With the combination of SC2 and BW in PL, do you see this site continuing to maintain separate boards for the two games? Obviously the strategy boards would be separate, but would the general boards stay separate as well? I could see the older and smaller BW community being outvoiced by the SC2 crowd which would be a bit annoying for them, but for all intents and purposes, the two games have the same community now.
Historically, the two game communities have been very vocal against each other, with occasional conflicts here and there. Will TL change to accommodate the hybrid league, or will this site essentially run as it always has, in a sense ignoring the fact that the games have been combined and run as two separate communities?
Tournament live reports also seem a little complicated to me, seeing as how it's not really an SC2 tournament and it's not really a BW tournament, but it's awkward to have two separate LR threads in the SC2 tournament board and BW tournament board.
I guess what I'm really asking and am interested in is, does TL intend to change anything about how it is run as a result of the KESPA merger?
I do not believe this will happen. No, let me rephrase. There is no way a merging of the general or tournament boards would ever happen.
"for all intents and purposes, the two games have the same community now." -- definitely not true. The Korean BW scene is only one aspect of the BW community on TL.
A more interesting question is what will happen with LR threads during PL events. The thought of a single LR thread with SC2 and BW fanboys posting together is amusing. There will probably be separate threads, though.
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Australia8532 Posts
On May 02 2012 15:02 Namenlos wrote:
I am happy that this is not an official statement. Because that sound like abuse of power to me. Punish with any given possibility. This seriously destroys any informative character the streamlist had. Instead it is a people who tl likes list. Any eta on a statement?
What means the colored name, if Destiny is not right with that quote: "I thought the colored name or w/e meant he was a mod or some shit?"?
Where is your threshold of a member of TL, by you definition I (every 10 days a post) am not half the member Destiny (one post every 5 days) is.
edit: The ads are not removed on the right of his stream page.
Lol what don't people understand about the 10 commandments of this site that everyone has to read when they join. "THIS IS OUR HOUSE" is the very first commandment. TL isn't here to be the arbiter of accurate streaming information; at the end of the day the featured streaming list could be a list of people wearing purple underwear that day and that's what gets them featured. If you see it as an abuse of power, or as the other poster mentioned double standards, unfortunately nobody really cares enough because judged by the number of active users at the moment people either don't care or agree with TL's stance.
Destiny doesn't care for this forum or the community it serves; he quite clearly only cares about himself and his viewers by nature of the fact they generate him money.
Your lack of understanding of this community, IdrA's vs Destiny's position in it and the way it functions is barely an excuse for the tone of your post.
Oh and to be clear i am not a mod, or a representative of TL - just another user 
edit: sorry zatic 
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Does Zatic work the hardest out of the staff/senior members because he has a MULE icon or does he time out? Additionally, out of all the custom icons whose do you think reflects upon them the most accurately (Which icon describes the poster the best)?
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Zurich15365 Posts
Yes that is exactly why I have a MULE. I am the hardest worker on TL this site basically doesn't even run when I am asleep.
I'll write a blog for my 10k probably that will include the real story of the icon.
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I thought it was because you were OP.
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On May 02 2012 22:55 PassiveAce wrote:
I thought it was because you were OP.
I thought it was he was replaceable and basically free.
Jokes aside I'm looking forward to your story zatic, I hope it includes many Star Wars references (can it please include Star Wars references?
May the force be with you Obi Zaticobi.
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On May 02 2012 22:55 PassiveAce wrote:
I thought it was because you were OP.
Is this pun unintentional or intentional?
I assumed it was a generic MULES are over powered statement, but if going for the pun it was pretty clever.
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Who has the highest post count of any user on TL?
My guess is Konadora but I want to know for sure.
e- at the guy above me, it is unintentional, i am not clever.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
kona has 38k. Haji has 36.
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Are mods and progamers allowed to have smurf accounts on TeamLiquid? I would imagine it would be frustrating to feel watched/ judged every post you make. You could never get into the really juicy ban-magnet so-called discussions that makes TL so attractive to me >:D
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On May 03 2012 02:26 CyDe wrote:
Are mods and progamers allowed to have smurf accounts on TeamLiquid? I would imagine it would be frustrating to feel watched/ judged every post you make. You could never get into the really juicy ban-magnet so-called discussions that makes TL so attractive to me >:D
If you count Hotbid's Baller account, yeah - otherwise no. I think. I just remember hearing about one of Nony alts getting banned because it wasn't his main account.
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http://i.imgur.com/6P920.jpg
Haha you guys are great keep up the good work. Btw how many bans you do a day for people doing absolutely nothing?^_^
User was banned for this post.
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