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BossPlaya
Profile Joined September 2010
United States141 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 01:55:46
October 13 2011 04:43 GMT
#1
Hey guys, I wanted to make this thread so we can have an organized spot for discussion on local BarCraft.

As of right now, we are working on getting Buffalo Wild Wings on board for this weekend's MLG event. I feel like they would be able to accommodate the 3 major local schools (MCC and RIT are close and UofR isn't too far either). I plan on presenting the idea to them tomorrow, showing them some successful BarCraft events, and a schedule of the event. I can't imagine them turning us down if we help them set up the streams and only request a couple TVs. They have a nice room in the back of the restaurant that I was planing on asking for, as we could get sound back there without disturbing anyone else watching something. With the potential to call themselves "THE place in Rochester for BarCraft" on the line, I think this is a good opportunity that they likely won't turn down, especially if we can guarantee a good crowd (this is pretty much the most important part).

A backup plan would involve Hooligans, as they have some more private booths that can accommodate around 8 or 9 people. The problem here would be only watching 1 stream at a time, which is UNACCEPTABLE

Feel free to PM me, as help with this would be nice but I don't have an issue taking the lead on this

GLHF


EDIT: BarCraft does NOT necessarily mean 21+!!!! Most establishments that we are looking into holding the events at are restaurants that allow ALL ages. DO NOT BE INTIMIDATED BY "BAR" IN THE NAME!!!
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EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
October 13 2011 04:46 GMT
#2
Rochester represent! :D

I'd definitely go
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PsykoMantis
Profile Joined June 2010
United States203 Posts
October 13 2011 06:03 GMT
#3
hey, its imolmantis from UR, i know atleast 4-5 guys aside from me that would definetly want to come
yakitate304
Profile Joined April 2009
United States655 Posts
October 13 2011 06:13 GMT
#4
This would be excellent. It would be the one on Jefferson, right? I go there for UFC events and I know which "back room" you're talking about, it's semi-walled off but still gets good service on food/drinks.

Keep us all updated!
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geez
Profile Joined September 2010
United States29 Posts
October 13 2011 06:37 GMT
#5
I'm in Oswego, and might show up to this this weekend if you guys get it off the ground. I wouldn't mind the hour drive to hang out with some fellow sc2 nerds and watch some MLG. Wouldn't be able to show up every night, but definitely either Saturday or Sunday.
PsykoMantis
Profile Joined June 2010
United States203 Posts
October 13 2011 14:31 GMT
#6
Hey just made a poll to more easily show our numbers,
Poll: Would you come to a Rochester barcraft?

Yes! (51)
 
98%

no... (1)
 
2%

52 total votes

Your vote: Would you come to a Rochester barcraft?

(Vote): Yes!
(Vote): no...

Stegosaurus
Profile Joined March 2011
United States52 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 15:03:07
October 13 2011 15:00 GMT
#7
I'll definitely come if I can. I know the RIT Starcraft club would be very likely to go, and there's at least 20 of us.
*insert witty comment here*
CarlCaliente
Profile Joined July 2010
53 Posts
October 13 2011 15:02 GMT
#8
So sad I'm cooping away from Rochester right now (RIT student), but make this one a success and I'll be at every single barcraft from MLG providence and on!
darthpaul
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2 Posts
October 13 2011 15:23 GMT
#9
RIT student here.

Got a major project due Sunday night but if I finish early I will definitely show up.
zanderfever.TV
Profile Joined March 2010
United States362 Posts
October 13 2011 15:33 GMT
#10
I go to SUNY Fredonia but with enough planning and assuming the conditions are right you better count me in to this, I just need to plan. Unfortunately, theres no way I can come to this in the next couple days
BossPlaya
Profile Joined September 2010
United States141 Posts
October 13 2011 15:37 GMT
#11
Not sure on whether we would be able to get Sunday locked in because of the high demand for football, but Saturday is definitely a solid day. MCC plays UofR in the CSL Saturday at 4 so I was thinking we could all head over to B Dubs and hang afterwards. It's located on Jefferson so anyone that will be at Millennium wouldn't have to drive far.

If we could get 20 people from RIT, a handful from MCC, sone UofR guys, and some out-of-towners, this might have the potential to be a regular event (Blizzcon anyone???)

I'll keep checking here today and keep everyone posted. Fingers crossed!!
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a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
October 13 2011 15:44 GMT
#12
RIT student here, and I'd be up for meeting new people!
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modestXAF
Profile Joined December 2009
United States26 Posts
October 13 2011 15:49 GMT
#13
UR student here. Im definitely in.
Arch00
Profile Joined July 2010
United States233 Posts
October 13 2011 16:01 GMT
#14
I'd go but i'll be in orlando D: :D
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dComplex
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 16:15:22
October 13 2011 16:15 GMT
#15
I'll go, even if at cost to my own health yea buddyyyyyyyy
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uSiN
Profile Joined January 2009
United States208 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 16:16:47
October 13 2011 16:16 GMT
#16
I would defiantly go but this weekend I had prior plans... If you guys set it up for Blizzcon count me in.

Edit: I prob could drag 1-2 of my roommates to this too.
.-.
GigaFlop
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1146 Posts
October 13 2011 17:20 GMT
#17
I'm 18, can I still come? (RIT)
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PsykoMantis
Profile Joined June 2010
United States203 Posts
October 13 2011 17:28 GMT
#18
If you are under 21 I'm pretty sure you can still come since buffalo wild wings is both a restaurant/sports bar.
BossPlaya
Profile Joined September 2010
United States141 Posts
October 13 2011 17:29 GMT
#19
Buffalo Wild Wings is a restaurant. Anyone any age is welcome. The only issue might be if they forced us to sit at the bar, which is highly unlikely.
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nsk
Profile Joined December 2010
United States20 Posts
October 13 2011 17:53 GMT
#20
im going to suny geneseo which is 25 mins south of rochester, i would attend some events occasionally
Popsiclestik
Profile Joined August 2010
United States45 Posts
October 13 2011 19:37 GMT
#21
RIT student reporting for duty, I'd go to that for sure... Assume I could find a way over there (other RIT students =D)... *Wink wink nudge nudge*
BossPlaya
Profile Joined September 2010
United States141 Posts
October 13 2011 22:04 GMT
#22
The day would have to be Sunday night since Wild Wings is very busy this weekend. We also need at least 50 people to reserve any kind of space in the restaurant. Perhaps we should start advertising for a Blizzcon BarCraft now.

50 people is by all means do-able so I'm going to suggest a Reddit post with MASS UPVOTES!!!
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SirDuke
Profile Joined October 2010
United States239 Posts
October 13 2011 22:16 GMT
#23
this would be so badass, im dwn
Wanna turn up the heat?
Horst
Profile Joined November 2010
338 Posts
October 14 2011 03:11 GMT
#24
Which buffalo wild wings? The one on jefferson?

I'm definitely down for going, but Sunday night? isn't MLG over by like, sunday afternoon?
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
October 14 2011 03:25 GMT
#25
I'll be there if it's happening!
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BossPlaya
Profile Joined September 2010
United States141 Posts
October 14 2011 03:55 GMT
#26
On October 14 2011 12:11 Horst wrote:
Which buffalo wild wings? The one on jefferson?

I'm definitely down for going, but Sunday night? isn't MLG over by like, sunday afternoon?

The manager told me that there is a party if SEVENTY PEOPLE showing up Saturday and we would not be able to be accommodated, as Saturday is their busiest night. Sunday afternoon is booked with Football fans of course, and she said that if we got 50 people and called Sunday morning, we could probably have our own room.

Perhaps if a bunch of other people showed up expressing interest, they would catch on that this is popular? Then again, they might think we all communicate...
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Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 04:01:01
October 14 2011 04:00 GMT
#27
On October 14 2011 12:55 BossPlaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 12:11 Horst wrote:
Which buffalo wild wings? The one on jefferson?

I'm definitely down for going, but Sunday night? isn't MLG over by like, sunday afternoon?

The manager told me that there is a party if SEVENTY PEOPLE showing up Saturday and we would not be able to be accommodated, as Saturday is their busiest night. Sunday afternoon is booked with Football fans of course, and she said that if we got 50 people and called Sunday morning, we could probably have our own room.

Perhaps if a bunch of other people showed up expressing interest, they would catch on that this is popular? Then again, they might think we all communicate...


Could be tough, Rochester is a smallish area

There are two buffalo wild wings on jefferson, you tried both?
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BossPlaya
Profile Joined September 2010
United States141 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 05:11:48
October 14 2011 05:00 GMT
#28
On October 14 2011 13:00 Hierarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 12:55 BossPlaya wrote:
On October 14 2011 12:11 Horst wrote:
Which buffalo wild wings? The one on jefferson?

I'm definitely down for going, but Sunday night? isn't MLG over by like, sunday afternoon?

The manager told me that there is a party if SEVENTY PEOPLE showing up Saturday and we would not be able to be accommodated, as Saturday is their busiest night. Sunday afternoon is booked with Football fans of course, and she said that if we got 50 people and called Sunday morning, we could probably have our own room.

Perhaps if a bunch of other people showed up expressing interest, they would catch on that this is popular? Then again, they might think we all communicate...


Could be tough, Rochester is a smallish area

There are two buffalo wild wings on jefferson, you tried both?


-Rochester is the 3rd largest city in the state
-There are no other B-Dubs locations within 50 miles of Rochester, NY
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Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 05:36:02
October 14 2011 05:34 GMT
#29
On October 14 2011 14:00 BossPlaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 13:00 Hierarch wrote:
On October 14 2011 12:55 BossPlaya wrote:
On October 14 2011 12:11 Horst wrote:
Which buffalo wild wings? The one on jefferson?

I'm definitely down for going, but Sunday night? isn't MLG over by like, sunday afternoon?

The manager told me that there is a party if SEVENTY PEOPLE showing up Saturday and we would not be able to be accommodated, as Saturday is their busiest night. Sunday afternoon is booked with Football fans of course, and she said that if we got 50 people and called Sunday morning, we could probably have our own room.

Perhaps if a bunch of other people showed up expressing interest, they would catch on that this is popular? Then again, they might think we all communicate...


Could be tough, Rochester is a smallish area

There are two buffalo wild wings on jefferson, you tried both?


-Rochester is the 3rd largest city in the state
-There are no other B-Dubs locations within 50 miles of Rochester, NY


Did they close the other one on jefferson? Also it's still western NY

Edit: looks like they closed the smaller one when the big one opened, did you try the anchor bar?
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phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
October 14 2011 05:41 GMT
#30
There have got to be other locations besides the buffalo wild wings though? With the number of college campuses in the area, bars have to be huge.

I'm a student at Syracuse, and while we don't have the largest SC scene around here (or any scene at all as far as I know) I'd be willing to make that drive a few times for Barcraft. If this gets off the ground and becomes a regular thing, it would be fantastic.
MattLz
Profile Joined December 2010
United States69 Posts
October 14 2011 05:48 GMT
#31
Student at U of R here, would love to see some barcraft around! Would love to meet some more people from the area into esports .
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
October 14 2011 12:10 GMT
#32
I think trying somewhere other than BWW would have been best considering their busy-ness on Saturday. We would need to find a less busy place for the weekend, especially when NFL is on.

With that said, I know it's already Friday, so if that's all we can still get is Sunday night, that's a start at least for Barcraft in Rochester.
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Bulli
Profile Joined December 2010
2 Posts
October 15 2011 01:56 GMT
#33
WTB Barcraft, I'd definitely be in
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
October 15 2011 06:57 GMT
#34
Do we have around 50 people for sunday?
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yakitate304
Profile Joined April 2009
United States655 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-15 07:30:54
October 15 2011 07:28 GMT
#35
Here are a few alternatives to BWW that you might want to contact... I expect Saturday would be busy for any bar, and the issue is that on Sunday there are a ton of NFL games on at 1, 4, and one at 8:15 - MLG Finals are from 7-8:30. Most places with lots of HDTV's set up will be catering to the football crowd.


http://www.bathtubbillys.com/index.cfm?Page=Private Party Room - Bathtub Billy's in Greece. They have a private party room that you could inquire about.

http://www.thedistillery.com/reservations/distillery_lunch_dinner_reservations.asp - The Distillery. 4 locations around the area: Mt. Hope, Greece, Victor and Henrietta. I've only been to Mt. Hope one and there are tons of TVs in there.

http://www.tullysgoodtimes.com/ordereze/1000/Page.aspx - Tully's has amaaaaaaaazing chicken fingers, for what it's worth. I don't know if they do events (doesn't say on website). Located on Jefferson Road.

http://www.hooliganseastsidegrill.com/ - Hooligan's Eastside Grill in Webster. Not sure if they do events but they have 30+ TVs.

http://coppergrill.org/#/event/4553235710 - Copper Grill in Irondequoit. They do events and have a party room with a big Projector. $250 charge to the party host, but that's deducted from the total bill at the end.

Here are more:

http://rocwiki.org/Bars


Also, wouldn't Sunday be ideal? I know it's the day before work/classes, but the finals end around 8:30 so it's not like it's late. Personally, I'd rather have a BarCraft on Sunday for the later rounds and the Finals as opposed to Saturday where it's all pool play.
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EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
October 15 2011 23:25 GMT
#36
So... is this confirmed for tomorrow?
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BossPlaya
Profile Joined September 2010
United States141 Posts
October 16 2011 01:53 GMT
#37
I haven't contacted anyone since meeting with the manager at Wild Wings. I really think that the best plan is to be contacting many locations all week in preparation for Blizzcon. Hoping to get a BarCraft going the day of the finals is likely not going to happen, especially on a Sunday.
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TheLuckiest
Profile Joined August 2010
United States266 Posts
October 17 2011 19:35 GMT
#38
Keep us posted on how this progresses, I'd love to be able to go to a BarCraft for Blizzcon! Thanks for doing this!
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Handfromabov
Profile Joined April 2011
United States103 Posts
November 20 2011 17:05 GMT
#39
i think we need to keep this going. Rochester is huge. I know as of right now I hang on vent and talk with my Team about it but would much rather go to a barcraft.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
November 25 2011 06:04 GMT
#40
As well as rochester, I know a couple people from syracuse (at least) would be willing to make the hour long drive over and have some fun if there's a big enough community. The barcraft thread for MLG providence says that buffalo just had a great event (60-70 people) so there's no reason rochester/syracuse can't do the same!
Handfromabov
Profile Joined April 2011
United States103 Posts
November 26 2011 13:26 GMT
#41
i know cyberstorm runs a tournament the first saturday of every month. It would be cool to see rochester and the surrounding areas rep'ed there. Plus i am going to see if they will let me live cast it since its what I do for my clan VP and many other leagues.
artwheat
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1 Post
April 06 2012 18:41 GMT
#42
I live in the Rochester NY area and would also like to attend BarCraft events in the area. Would be great to watch some IGN ProLeague Season 4 matches with my sons. Please keep us posted if anyone sets anything up.
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