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Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
July 06 2010 22:37 GMT
#1561
What's better, using too heavy weights and being completely exhausted after 15-20 minutes or use too light weights and finish your workout after 30-40 minutes and not being very tired?
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
July 06 2010 22:43 GMT
#1562
On July 07 2010 07:37 Necosarius wrote:
What's better, using too heavy weights and being completely exhausted after 15-20 minutes or use too light weights and finish your workout after 30-40 minutes and not being very tired?


I'm a bit confused, what exercise are you doing? As a rule, you should never lift too heavy; the second your form suffers, you're wasting your time.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-06 22:58:57
July 06 2010 22:57 GMT
#1563
On July 07 2010 07:37 Necosarius wrote:
What's better, using too heavy weights and being completely exhausted after 15-20 minutes or use too light weights and finish your workout after 30-40 minutes and not being very tired?


Let's put it this way....

Should I work hard in the gym.... or not work hard int he gym?

Should I study hard for this exam.... or not study hard for this exam?

Should I work hard at my job... or not work hard at my job?

It should be obvious which one is going to give better results so.... there ya go. (not trying to be a dbag... trying to teach you concepts rather than just giving answers).
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
kajeus
Profile Joined May 2010
United States679 Posts
July 06 2010 23:07 GMT
#1564
On July 07 2010 00:22 Noggin wrote:
I think once I settle down I can revamp my lifestyle a bit and budget a bit for a 6+ meal a day diet.

Until then I will plan and research

thanks for the solid advice, sir~

edit after your edit: I would love your pancake recipe! :D

Wowwww, 6+ meals a day???

I respect your resolve, sir!

We have 4-5 inches separating us, so I hope I can keep it down to 4 meals? Although my vegetarianism may mean I need to up the meal count.

I'll admit that I have a problem eating three square meals a day. I tend to eat one or two gigantic meals per day, just because it's such a pain to cook new meals all the time.
pro-MoMaN, pro-HuK, pro-Millenium
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
July 06 2010 23:51 GMT
#1565
On July 07 2010 08:07 kajeus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 00:22 Noggin wrote:
I think once I settle down I can revamp my lifestyle a bit and budget a bit for a 6+ meal a day diet.

Until then I will plan and research

thanks for the solid advice, sir~

edit after your edit: I would love your pancake recipe! :D

Wowwww, 6+ meals a day???

I respect your resolve, sir!

We have 4-5 inches separating us, so I hope I can keep it down to 4 meals? Although my vegetarianism may mean I need to up the meal count.

I'll admit that I have a problem eating three square meals a day. I tend to eat one or two gigantic meals per day, just because it's such a pain to cook new meals all the time.



meals can just be some fruit or sandwichs
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 00:08:33
July 07 2010 00:07 GMT
#1566
I am curious, eshlow, as a 6'1 guy just how lean can I be and still be functionally strong? I have been eating less(especially less high glycemic carbs), primarily as a result of smoking less weed. It's also been a goal of mine, to have as little desire/need for food as possible.

However, I do want to be able to successfully accomplish things like manna, planche, iron cross, etc. As a 6'1 guy do you think I am going to need to be a certain weight to accomplish them, or will I still be able to have enough muscle even if I am eating something like 1500-2000 calories a day?

(my weight has dropped from 171 to 164 over the last 3.5 weeks)

So.. can I have that kind of extremely low calorie intake if my body adapts to it, as long as I get enough protein ? Maybe I could eat mass vegetables and then some things high in protein with it?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
July 07 2010 00:14 GMT
#1567
On July 07 2010 08:07 kajeus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 00:22 Noggin wrote:
I think once I settle down I can revamp my lifestyle a bit and budget a bit for a 6+ meal a day diet.

Until then I will plan and research

thanks for the solid advice, sir~

edit after your edit: I would love your pancake recipe! :D

Wowwww, 6+ meals a day???

I respect your resolve, sir!

We have 4-5 inches separating us, so I hope I can keep it down to 4 meals? Although my vegetarianism may mean I need to up the meal count.

I'll admit that I have a problem eating three square meals a day. I tend to eat one or two gigantic meals per day, just because it's such a pain to cook new meals all the time.


Instead of cooking 1 meal of say 1/4 lb chicken, cook a whole pound and use it for several meals throughout the day. Height has nothing to do with it, everyone should eat ~5-6 times a day.

Dimsum sick videos...you look small then throw up that huge fucking weight above your head, thats really impressive ^_^ Do you usually do pretty well in competition?

Also my lower back has some kind of weird pain that i can only feel when i round my lower back, i think from when i deadlifted 455 (maybe use belt next time? or just not lose my form lol). Like i can bend over and go into a squat etc but if i let my back un-flatten (dont really know how to explain it besides that) and touch the ground it kind of hurts/feels weird. But not prohibitively so. I dont think its muscle either. Any ideas? It seems like it's been getting a bit better over the weekend.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
July 07 2010 00:21 GMT
#1568
decaf do you stretch it?

actually in general im curious how much you guys stretch and what kind of stretches you do. especially you olympic type lifters.
kajeus
Profile Joined May 2010
United States679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 00:29:12
July 07 2010 00:29 GMT
#1569
On July 06 2010 23:06 Noggin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2010 22:47 RowdierBob wrote:
And you'll need a lot more than just a gallon of milk a day to put a decent amount of weight on a 6'8 frame.


edit: found this article
http://www.stayfitbug.com/the-fitness-bug/building-muscles-for-tall-men-vs-building-muscles-for-short-men/
Which felt a bit bias but the comments seemed to back up the claims o.o
I guess the end result will be so worth it ^^

That is a killer article.

Obviously the author is not a scientist or anything, but it just rings so true for me.
pro-MoMaN, pro-HuK, pro-Millenium
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
July 07 2010 00:34 GMT
#1570
On July 07 2010 09:21 travis wrote:
decaf do you stretch it?

actually in general im curious how much you guys stretch and what kind of stretches you do. especially you olympic type lifters.


I've always been very flexible since doing gymnastics at a young age. I usually do dynamic and static stretching before rugby practices and stretch out my hammys/quads a bit before i squat or run. Other than that not much.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
July 07 2010 00:59 GMT
#1571
On July 07 2010 09:07 travis wrote:
I am curious, eshlow, as a 6'1 guy just how lean can I be and still be functionally strong? I have been eating less(especially less high glycemic carbs), primarily as a result of smoking less weed. It's also been a goal of mine, to have as little desire/need for food as possible.

However, I do want to be able to successfully accomplish things like manna, planche, iron cross, etc. As a 6'1 guy do you think I am going to need to be a certain weight to accomplish them, or will I still be able to have enough muscle even if I am eating something like 1500-2000 calories a day?

(my weight has dropped from 171 to 164 over the last 3.5 weeks)

So.. can I have that kind of extremely low calorie intake if my body adapts to it, as long as I get enough protein ? Maybe I could eat mass vegetables and then some things high in protein with it?


Bodyweight training actually has an interesting quality where you tend to drop weight, but look leaner and in some cases bigger.

All I can say is that as a > 6' you probably don't want to drop below 160. You're going to have a bunch of mass in teh end to perform high level strength moves so even if you still have excess fat I would still maintain weight, and let the intensity of the training slowly change your body composition.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
July 07 2010 01:06 GMT
#1572
I think stretching is very important for weightlifting. I really should stretch more, especially after workouts. Most of the people I train with do a lot of stretching (dynamic and static) and warmups. Usually after workouts you should stretch and use the foam roller, but I dont.

I usually take my time stretching before my workout since I have tight hamstrings. I used to jog to warmup, but then I got lazy and stopped jogging lol.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
July 07 2010 01:07 GMT
#1573
hmm I think anyone that uses a foam roller is pretty hardcore lol
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 01:22:43
July 07 2010 01:17 GMT
#1574
On July 07 2010 10:07 travis wrote:
hmm I think anyone that uses a foam roller is pretty hardcore lol


Foam rollers or medicine balls or, god forbid, lacrosse balls (edit: or a golf ball if you're psychotic like eshlow O_O ) are all fucking murder but feel SO GOOD afterwards.

http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/self-myofascial-release.html

oh god it's heavenly
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
July 07 2010 01:18 GMT
#1575
On July 07 2010 07:57 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 07:37 Necosarius wrote:
What's better, using too heavy weights and being completely exhausted after 15-20 minutes or use too light weights and finish your workout after 30-40 minutes and not being very tired?


Let's put it this way....

Should I work hard in the gym.... or not work hard int he gym?

Should I study hard for this exam.... or not study hard for this exam?

Should I work hard at my job... or not work hard at my job?

It should be obvious which one is going to give better results so.... there ya go. (not trying to be a dbag... trying to teach you concepts rather than just giving answers).


At the same time though, you don't want to work TOO hard and not be able to complete the exercise with proper form.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 01:20:45
July 07 2010 01:19 GMT
#1576
On July 07 2010 10:17 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 10:07 travis wrote:
hmm I think anyone that uses a foam roller is pretty hardcore lol


Foam rollers or medicine balls or, god forbid, lacrosse balls are all fucking murder but feel SO GOOD afterwards.

http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/self-myofascial-release.html

oh god it's heavenly


I sometimes use a golf ball. :p

edit: also, agree with the above post
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
July 07 2010 02:12 GMT
#1577
How would you use a golf ball? The same way as a foam roller?
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
July 07 2010 03:37 GMT
#1578
On July 07 2010 11:12 AoN.DimSum wrote:
How would you use a golf ball? The same way as a foam roller?


I'm guessing it's similar to
but wherever on your body you please.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
July 07 2010 03:42 GMT
#1579
On July 07 2010 12:37 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 11:12 AoN.DimSum wrote:
How would you use a golf ball? The same way as a foam roller?


I'm guessing it's similar to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLvAknfpwz4 but wherever on your body you please.


Except if you're masochistic like me you can use it on your back, and legs.....
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
July 07 2010 03:44 GMT
#1580
On July 07 2010 12:42 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 12:37 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On July 07 2010 11:12 AoN.DimSum wrote:
How would you use a golf ball? The same way as a foam roller?


I'm guessing it's similar to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLvAknfpwz4 but wherever on your body you please.


Except if you're masochistic like me you can use it on your back, and legs.....


...the thought of using it on my legs brings tears to my eyes. It's bad enough with a medicine ball. Fuck you and your sorcery.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
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