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On April 03 2013 17:34 n2o wrote:why does almost all the weapon wielding heroes hold their weapons "backwards"? this is so lame. for example, yurnero, slark, gondar, bloodseeker, huskar, riki, etc. just so many of them. even the cancer lancer. why valve, why?  this kills their "deadly" appearance and give them a retarded look for such grips.
...wait what?
Gondar, Slark and Riki all carry daggers. My old kickboxing teacher always used to comment that you can always tell if someone is experienced with a knife, and you should be worried, if they hold it with the blade downwards in their fist. Because it gives a much better range of movement for slashing and also lets you stab from multiple angles. So its hardly inappropriate.
Huskar carries throwing spears/javelins. He's holding them fine.
Bloodseeker carries a pair of unusual slashing blades with handles on the side. Explicitly designed to be held as he holds them otherwise they'd be unwieldly and basically impossible to use.
Spears can be held in a number of stances. Hence Phantom Lancer.
Juggernaut I'll grant you (although given his fighting style its debatably appropriate) but..."almost all"? Naga Siren, Skeleton King, Kunkka, Sven, Slardar, Omniknight, Dragon Knight, Axe, etc etc.
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On April 03 2013 07:33 packrat386 wrote:
Man, I swear the idiots that I get.
I get put on a team with a 2 people who pick BH and riki and proceed to ignore the fact that our opponents have detection (sven + gem). I'm playing SD but every time I do about disabling people I just get left high and dry by the rest of my team.
That's all about normal for my skill bracket, but this game. We had a warlock who went mek, treads, dagon 5, and THEN ags. The worst part was that he literally never used mek when we together as a team so many times we could have gotten something done but he just refused no matter how much we asked him. He didn't use the golems to fight, only to help him run away. The worst part was, at the end he decided to chat (for the first time) that we were all noobs and thats the only reason why we lost.
I'm doubly sad because this means that I'm probably as bad as these people are given that I'm teamed with them....
Don't be sad, actually i have a multiple experience that the better you play, the gradually worse people you get teamed up with. Usually the game is trying to make "even teams". It takes some good players and some bad players. The worse player it takes, the better player has to make up for the bad one. Many people have said that already - The better i play, the bigger idiots i get. This is unfortunate, i think the game should team up similar level players and put them against the same level opponents.
I am trying to not play solo at all as it always punishes me. Try to find people to play with, you can even just add good players from publics as i have been doing. But be carefull, good score against bad opponent does not mean that the player is good.
The most important is teamfight sense and presence, defending pushes and counter-pushing, item appropriateness, knowing how to support well, knowing how to farm well with a carry, not stealing cs or kills from a carry, good laning (you can usually distinguish noob from a good player just by laning phase).
QQ: People who buy gem, beacuse 1 enemy hero has a shadow blade. Proceed to donate it to the enemy in the first clash.
Our team with Nyx and Clinkz (some retard picked clinkz after me taking nyx) is fucked.
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On April 03 2013 18:06 Lightspeaker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 17:34 n2o wrote:why does almost all the weapon wielding heroes hold their weapons "backwards"? this is so lame. for example, yurnero, slark, gondar, bloodseeker, huskar, riki, etc. just so many of them. even the cancer lancer. why valve, why? this kills their "deadly" appearance and give them a retarded look for such grips. ...wait what? Gondar, Slark and Riki all carry daggers. My old kickboxing teacher always used to comment that you can always tell if someone is experienced with a knife, and you should be worried, if they hold it with the blade downwards in their fist. Because it gives a much better range of movement for slashing and also lets you stab from multiple angles. So its hardly inappropriate.
It is the other way around...blade down is the sign of an inexperienced fighter. It actually gives less range, and less flexibility, less angles to attack from.
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Dagger wielding heroes just look better holding weapons that way. The slashing animations are also more fluid than, for example, the poking animations that would in theory make sense for that kind of weapon. Most games are like that. I can't really think of many games where the characters hold daggers "correctly".
Huskar is fine and PL has several hitting animations, even with the butt end of the spear, but you can't really say he holds it like the dagger heroes hold their weapons.
Yurnero is a special snowflake, but it does fit his style.
Things don't really have to make sense, it's all about what looks better.
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On April 03 2013 19:19 Domus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 18:06 Lightspeaker wrote:On April 03 2013 17:34 n2o wrote:why does almost all the weapon wielding heroes hold their weapons "backwards"? this is so lame. for example, yurnero, slark, gondar, bloodseeker, huskar, riki, etc. just so many of them. even the cancer lancer. why valve, why? this kills their "deadly" appearance and give them a retarded look for such grips. ...wait what? Gondar, Slark and Riki all carry daggers. My old kickboxing teacher always used to comment that you can always tell if someone is experienced with a knife, and you should be worried, if they hold it with the blade downwards in their fist. Because it gives a much better range of movement for slashing and also lets you stab from multiple angles. So its hardly inappropriate. It is the other way around...blade down is the sign of an inexperienced fighter. It actually gives less range, and less flexibility, less angles to attack from.
*shrug* Speak to my old kickboxing instructor then. But he used to train half the bouncers in my city in self defence and was attacked on several occassions by people with knives so...
IIRC he used to point out that blade/point up means you can only really effectively stab forward and up, whereas on the underside of your first you can rake with it quite nastily from multiple angles. And slashes are less smooth.
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sigh
3-12 loss streak...
time to ditch the game for another week or two, my head fucking hurts...
im starting to hate the person who made the MM just as much as I hate dustin browder and david kim
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On April 03 2013 15:47 n2o wrote:
says "mid" as soon as hero selection screen appears, insta picks pudge, goes 0-5 in 10 mins and our team plays tower defense for the rest of the game. a strong reason to take a break from playing.
Dota is kinda a TD game..
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Game 1: Enemy gets fed off side lanes and decides to turn it into a 4 man mid fest, where I am blamed for the loss because I didn't solo kill all 4 of them.
Game 2: Pick AA to support Skeleton King, team randoms Ursa and Dark Seer, and mid pick is OD. Skeleton King goes aura/crits first, Ursa repicks into void and goes top. 5 men standing on each other on tower, Chrono and Wall up, Void waits til tower falls then Chronos me.
I fucking hate this game.
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On April 03 2013 19:52 Lightspeaker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 19:19 Domus wrote:On April 03 2013 18:06 Lightspeaker wrote:On April 03 2013 17:34 n2o wrote:why does almost all the weapon wielding heroes hold their weapons "backwards"? this is so lame. for example, yurnero, slark, gondar, bloodseeker, huskar, riki, etc. just so many of them. even the cancer lancer. why valve, why? this kills their "deadly" appearance and give them a retarded look for such grips. ...wait what? Gondar, Slark and Riki all carry daggers. My old kickboxing teacher always used to comment that you can always tell if someone is experienced with a knife, and you should be worried, if they hold it with the blade downwards in their fist. Because it gives a much better range of movement for slashing and also lets you stab from multiple angles. So its hardly inappropriate. It is the other way around...blade down is the sign of an inexperienced fighter. It actually gives less range, and less flexibility, less angles to attack from. *shrug* Speak to my old kickboxing instructor then. But he used to train half the bouncers in my city in self defence and was attacked on several occassions by people with knives so... IIRC he used to point out that blade/point up means you can only really effectively stab forward and up, whereas on the underside of your first you can rake with it quite nastily from multiple angles. And slashes are less smooth.
Yeah, I wasn't saying it to shit on your instructor, there are possibilities with both positions. They teach this stuff in the military, It is not too hard to switch between either. One of the biggest disadvantages of the blade down is also that it easy for the knife to end up in your own body when someone gets a hold of your arm and forces you down. Haha, this is also a bit offtopic I guess. But you don't have more range with the blade down, it is good for closer range though since you can put more force behind kidney/liver/neck stabs and pull the blade with force. But for fast attacking and defending the forward positions gives you greater reach and it is easier to stab and slash both low and high.
As for why it is in Dota, it is just a silhouette thing. The knife positions just make the characters very recognizable.
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On April 03 2013 20:37 Domus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 19:52 Lightspeaker wrote:On April 03 2013 19:19 Domus wrote:On April 03 2013 18:06 Lightspeaker wrote:On April 03 2013 17:34 n2o wrote:why does almost all the weapon wielding heroes hold their weapons "backwards"? this is so lame. for example, yurnero, slark, gondar, bloodseeker, huskar, riki, etc. just so many of them. even the cancer lancer. why valve, why? this kills their "deadly" appearance and give them a retarded look for such grips. ...wait what? Gondar, Slark and Riki all carry daggers. My old kickboxing teacher always used to comment that you can always tell if someone is experienced with a knife, and you should be worried, if they hold it with the blade downwards in their fist. Because it gives a much better range of movement for slashing and also lets you stab from multiple angles. So its hardly inappropriate. It is the other way around...blade down is the sign of an inexperienced fighter. It actually gives less range, and less flexibility, less angles to attack from. *shrug* Speak to my old kickboxing instructor then. But he used to train half the bouncers in my city in self defence and was attacked on several occassions by people with knives so... IIRC he used to point out that blade/point up means you can only really effectively stab forward and up, whereas on the underside of your first you can rake with it quite nastily from multiple angles. And slashes are less smooth. Yeah, I wasn't saying it to shit on your instructor, there are possibilities with both positions. They teach this stuff in the military, It is not too hard to switch between either. One of the biggest disadvantages of the blade down is also that it easy for the knife to end up in your own body when someone gets a hold of your arm and forces you down. Haha, this is also a bit offtopic I guess. But you don't have more range with the blade down, it is good for closer range though since you can put more force behind kidney/liver/neck stabs and pull the blade with force. But for fast attacking and defending the forward positions gives you greater reach and it is easier to stab and slash both low and high. As for why it is in Dota, it is just a silhouette thing. The knife positions just make the characters very recognizable.
And then you have heroes that wield some sort of stupid sideways blade that has no reach and can only attack by spinning around (AM, Spectre, PA). The hell is this.
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the warlock in my team decided to only skill heal and his stats until level 10. After loosing some teamfights and asking why he didn't ulti he replied "i don't need ulti this early". The same warlock went for perseverance and like 20 min in the game he still didn't have boots. When inquired he replied "just because they are a suggested item it doesn't mean it's the best thing to buy!".
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Every Furion's picker should die. I started to just pick BH to punish when they rush midas (like 90% of the time?), but it become boring playing BH all the time. Another ideas?
Also, Medusa went ancients + jungle for 25min in a game when me and another 2 friends just murder 3x5 since Void just stayed bot farming and slow pushing towers. Was kind of funny game.
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On April 03 2013 23:30 pedrlz wrote:
Every Furion's picker should die. I started to just pick BH to punish when they rush midas (like 90% of the time?), but it become boring playing BH all the time. Another ideas?
Clinkz is decent since orchid prevents his TP but you need to farm your orchid... 
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On April 03 2013 23:30 pedrlz wrote:
Every Furion's picker should die. I started to just pick BH to punish when they rush midas (like 90% of the time?), but it become boring playing BH all the time. Another ideas?
Also, Medusa went ancients + jungle for 25min in a game when me and another 2 friends just murder 3x5 since Void just stayed bot farming and slow pushing towers. Was kind of funny game.
Storm Spirit. Furion is so sad.
Tinker does quite well as well.
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In real life, yes this grip style may be more efficient but this is a game. Holding this way give them a higher damage, or cleaving attack? No. These heroes I counted are known for pub-stomping heroes and I would have expected a more intimidating and fearsome look thus this grip style is totally opposing it in my opinion. Especially for riki, gondar and slark. I'll exclude others for now.
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Everyone I play with seems to trash talk each other within 5 minutes of starting. Immaturity and bad attitudes just ruin Dota for me sometimes...TT
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Every game I play when theres an offlane hero that is a strong ganker like a rubick or something they never want to leave the lane and I just don't understand why. But the worst was last night I was playing with this BH who wouldn't leave the lane because he claimed that if he did, we'd lose a tower. Well, we'd already lost the T1 and it only takes a couple track kills to equal tower gold so ??????????????
On April 03 2013 19:52 Lightspeaker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 19:19 Domus wrote:On April 03 2013 18:06 Lightspeaker wrote:On April 03 2013 17:34 n2o wrote:why does almost all the weapon wielding heroes hold their weapons "backwards"? this is so lame. for example, yurnero, slark, gondar, bloodseeker, huskar, riki, etc. just so many of them. even the cancer lancer. why valve, why? this kills their "deadly" appearance and give them a retarded look for such grips. ...wait what? Gondar, Slark and Riki all carry daggers. My old kickboxing teacher always used to comment that you can always tell if someone is experienced with a knife, and you should be worried, if they hold it with the blade downwards in their fist. Because it gives a much better range of movement for slashing and also lets you stab from multiple angles. So its hardly inappropriate. It is the other way around...blade down is the sign of an inexperienced fighter. It actually gives less range, and less flexibility, less angles to attack from. *shrug* Speak to my old kickboxing instructor then. But he used to train half the bouncers in my city in self defence and was attacked on several occassions by people with knives so... IIRC he used to point out that blade/point up means you can only really effectively stab forward and up, whereas on the underside of your first you can rake with it quite nastily from multiple angles. And slashes are less smooth.
Blade down works better for slashing, but if you are trying to kill someone with a knife/dagger you want many rapid deep stab wounds to their abdomen, not superficial slashes. Blade up also allows you to stand more compactly and guard yourself better, while blade down forces you to extend your body out more to use the knife offensively and thus leave an entire side of your body open. Defensively speaking, the blade up makes it harder for someone to attack you without running into your blade, while a blade down position guards your blade behind your hand, rendering it almost useless defensively as any defensive movements will open you up for attack from a different angle.
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Pick Druid for the first time since...ages. I think I only ever played once before in my fourth game or something.
Going well. Laning with Tidehunter offlane against Brewmaster and Omni. Get three kills really early on (people REALLY underestimate that bear).
Fast forward thirty minutes. Batrider has fed like a demon. Alchemist has fed like a demon. Shadow Fiend and Nature's Prophet on the other team are completely stacked. Literally can't do anything about them.
Horrendous, simply horrendous.
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Why do people think wards will help them when no one carries a tp, invoker uses a total of 3 spells in the entire game (Sunstrike, Meteor and deafening blast) and magnus lands multiple 0 man rps.
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