EPTWe lost terribly, and somehow, I ended up with the most gpm out of everyone, and the second highest xpm behind nyx.
Nyx btw, almost never tried to gank, not even with Centaur on the jungle doom the other team had.
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
We lost terribly, and somehow, I ended up with the most gpm out of everyone, and the second highest xpm behind nyx. Nyx btw, almost never tried to gank, not even with Centaur on the jungle doom the other team had. | ||
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Delphiki
Philippines1955 Posts
On March 18 2013 23:02 Andr3 wrote: Level of play(you can say that a certain hero performs better at a certain skill bracket statistically but thats not helping much) and external pressure shouldn't be applied in the discussion because there's no point in discussing 1vs1 anyway then. DotA is a teamgame so supports will always influence the outcome of 1vs1 mid battle. In terms of pure 1vs1, drow has advantage early on when she has higher damage and can outharass(frost arrows ftw) the SF out of his comfort zone which is the first 3-4 levels usually. You capitalize on that as the drow player and do as much as you can so that you have the early advantage and delay the SF's bottle/boots & soul accumulation. What's also a big factor is which side you are on. If the SF is on dire he will have a harder time, on radiant he can stack the small camp and catch-up in souls that way. Besides that it's really all about control, level 3 for SF is very crucial as that's when he can start pressuring the drow back but you have to be very precise with your razes as missing any of them or hitting too many creeps can mean either mana issues(for more pressure) or losing control of the lane. SF can convincingly if only he is on radiant, i agree. But on 1v1, drow can build magic stick, SF will bottlecrow. Sure, on harassing, SF will come out on top. But on a straight up fight, Drow will win imo | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On March 18 2013 23:18 Delphiki wrote: SF can convincingly if only he is on radiant, i agree. But on 1v1, drow can build magic stick, SF will bottlecrow. Sure, on harassing, SF will come out on top. But on a straight up fight, Drow will win imo it also highly depend on whoever made the first mistake, some misposition of drow get 2xrazes or the drow can orb the sf to death who thought he was safe near the tower. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On March 19 2013 02:49 nojok wrote: 5 stack doing trilane sd kotl luna and saying they're not tryhard lol. Did they have sentries at level 1? That's my measuring stick of tryhard XD | ||
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LSF
469 Posts
"do not autoattack creeps in the beginning of the game. only take lasthits. otherwise bad things will happen." I mean for fucks sake...it took me about 10 minutes on the internet to learn the most basic things about this game, it's not exactly rocket science. Oh and please don't max glaives first on Luna or I'm gonna throw a hissy fit at you. | ||
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RoyGBiv_13
United States1275 Posts
On March 18 2013 23:35 BurningSera wrote: it also highly depend on whoever made the first mistake, some misposition of drow get 2xrazes or the drow can orb the sf to death who thought he was safe near the tower. I don't think SF has to bottle crow, SF can abuse runes better with his early nukes, and can fight off drow 1v1 if he hits 2 nukes on her as she comes up to him, and neither have a way to stop the other from getting to the rune first. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
I'm Void. Laning with a Venge. Venge is absolutely godawful at doing anything about the opposing Juggernaut and Venomancer from farming/harrassing but whatever. I'm getting great farm anyway. Then we go on them, Venge dies but I get both kills. Awesome start. Decide to rush up a midas because of sub-5 minute having about 800 gold on top of PMS, 2 branches and consumables. Fast forward a bit. Manage to Midas a little later than hoped, about 9 mins (got ganked and harrassed to hell) but whatever. Fast forward a little while more. Night Stalker is 1-6 and Venge is 1-7. Venge ragequits. We lose. -_- | ||
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hooahah
3752 Posts
QQ of the day: people that give up way too easily and type in allchat:"go mid end fast please". In his defense things were looking pretty bad, but nowhere near bad enough to give up. I'm glad Dota doesn't have a Surrender option because I fucking ROCKED that game. my best invoker game to date, too. also on that SF vs Drow mid debate - I was the SF. He outlasthitted me really badly for the first few levels (my razes were bad V_V), then went to get a rune. I called ss but appearently that doesn't mean much to some people. He got 2 kills with DD and bam, game over. Snowballed way too hard from there. | ||
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JazzNL
182 Posts
On March 19 2013 02:52 Sn0_Man wrote: Did they have sentries at level 1? That's my measuring stick of tryhard XD Get a new go-to word to insult people you two, you're lame for criticizing people for trying to play a decent game, lame. lol. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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hooahah
3752 Posts
On March 19 2013 03:21 LSF wrote: Please make a big fucking sign appear before every single pub match that reads: "do not autoattack creeps in the beginning of the game. only take lasthits. otherwise bad things will happen." I mean for fucks sake...it took me about 10 minutes on the internet to learn the most basic things about this game, it's not exactly rocket science. that's what the tutorial is for :D aren't new players forced to go through it? | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On March 19 2013 05:25 JazzNL wrote: Get a new go-to word to insult people you two, you're lame for criticizing people for trying to play a decent game, lame. lol. I certainly wasn't attempting to insult anybody who buys sentries at the start. I'm just saying, you aren't trying hard if you don't start with sentries (obviously at different tiers of MM this is different). If you think that tryhard is an insult then you might need to re-evaluate. Although its always sweeter winning against people who are absolutely trying insanely hard. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
So picks - someone randoms DS, another guy pick Enigma, and we have PL and Lion, I pick TA mid, sounds good right? I don't get the momentum I need as TA, and pissed of as hell all of the day, and the other team play generally well, they also have Clinkz and Nyx but (suprisingly!) i'm never ganked by these two. However, here's the QQ, all of the game, Dark Seer doesn't join teamfights and doesn't help, so we're 4v5 most of the game (PL doesn't have time to farm), and what items he gets? Soul Ring -> Arcane -> Wait for it... WAIT FOR IT... RADIANCE! Dark Seer buys a radiance. At that point, due to his farm, we can somehow push a bit, however' because of it, he gets gold on a lot of ganks, instead of me and PL. And after that, he buys Shivas. All game long, he and Enigma don't talk a single word of english, and after I don't manage to escape (due to not realizing Naix has gem) he says "fucking templar". Anyway, not a single decent black hole all game long, two decent Wall into Vaccum (but never in combination with Black Hole), Enigma and Seer are constantly ganked by Clinkz and Nyx. Late game Naix is so fed that no one can manage him. At least the pudge mid failed all game long as much as I did, /rant. Oh, and due to the farming Seer we pretty much lost all the mid game, when he came out of the woods with radiance (while the othet team was five manning), they were 6 towers ahead of us. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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LSF
469 Posts
that's what the tutorial is for :D aren't new players forced to go through it? I'm talking about people that have played several hundred games. Thats the sad part about it. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On March 19 2013 05:20 hooahah wrote: QQ of the day: people that give up way too easily and type in allchat:"go mid end fast please". In his defense things were looking pretty bad, but nowhere near bad enough to give up. I'm glad Dota doesn't have a Surrender option because I fucking ROCKED that game. my best invoker game to date, too. also on that SF vs Drow mid debate - I was the SF. He outlasthitted me really badly for the first few levels (my razes were bad V_V), then went to get a rune. I called ss but appearently that doesn't mean much to some people. He got 2 kills with DD and bam, game over. Snowballed way too hard from there. ?? | ||
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hooahah
3752 Posts
In retrospect  I also have a deep, ingrained hatred for Drow, so whenever I see drow get huge earlygame I pre-emptively shit my pants. I still managed to kill him once in a 1on1 afterwards (managed to ult him in 0 distance) but it was not a pretty game. | ||
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StoRm_res
Switzerland891 Posts
On March 19 2013 05:32 synapse wrote: why do all carry teams only work when its the enemy team T_T The same reason why the pudge always goes beyond godlike when he's on the other team and feeds when he's on your team ^^ | ||
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