EPTDota 2 QQ thread - Page 363
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Battleaxe
United States843 Posts
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
Also invoker is hard. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On February 18 2013 04:50 Dubzex wrote: Kollin ditched me last night so I had to win 1v4. I'm sorry, but my ping was fucking horrendous ;; | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On February 18 2013 06:59 Firebolt145 wrote: I have 48% win rate at the moment. Valve please give 30 game winning streak so I hit 50%  Refer to some of the guides in our strategy forums, they may help you improve your game | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On February 18 2013 08:27 Kupon3ss wrote: Refer to some of the guides in our strategy forums, they may help you improve your game If you want I can give you some tips to playing CM, I'm developing a new solo mid strat with her that's really showing a lot of potential. | ||
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SKYFISH_
Bulgaria990 Posts
fuck the idiots who play this game how are those fucks so braindead i've been gettin stacks of absolute morons for the entire day hope all of those dumb fucks get a powersurge that kills their fucking HDD so they can stop playing this game played so many games today..... shadow strike max first qop....how do i buy a single ward for the entire game...hey were a bunch of morons on team speak, lets go 4v5 becuase we are on TEAMSPEAK EX DEE WE GUN WIN THE FIGHT FOR SURE....im invisibul:the team EX DEEE im just going to roam around being invisible for 70 minutes why? | ||
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itsthewoo
United States260 Posts
On February 18 2013 07:32 Battleaxe wrote: Ban drow from this fucking game, auto attack cunt seems like she causes more grief in the lower mm levels then she's worth to the upper brackets..ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fml The solution to Drow is to not let her get fat. I often choose Spirit Breaker specifically to fuck with Drow's early/mid game. | ||
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SKYFISH_
Bulgaria990 Posts
Leaves when he gets an abandon. We toughen up, 4v5, all is going well, but we cant bring home the advantage we get in the midgame (4 man doter), mainly because Rubick and Rhasta both get blood stones/agha and no regen for the team. As a Tuskar I take most of the aggro and I'm forced to get back to base a couple of times. We get rolled in a 50 minute game. Second game we get whining on both teams, fucking 12 year olds going afk jungling, feeding intentionally, prolonging another 50 minute game. This time I leave after two guys on the enemy team abandon and our Luna decides to just farm her shit for 20 minutes when we could've ended the game in 5 minutes by simply pushing as 5. I think she got ass frustrated at a SnY Veno calling her useless. Looking at the last two pages of my game history I have 17 loses and 9 wins. Most of the wins have been absolute stoms against lesser players and/or wins due to someone abandoning. Most of the losses were drown out 50-60 minute fuckfests where the carries in my team have 100-150 cs and have no idea how to fucking play the lategame. Needless to say, this is no fun No more dota for a while, fuck this game | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
On February 18 2013 09:25 itsthewoo wrote: The solution to Drow is to not let her get fat. I often choose Spirit Breaker specifically to fuck with Drow's early/mid game. Alternatively, if they have Drow, pick Silencer and lane against her. Frost arrows don't break Curse of the Silent, only Silence does, so you get a tonne of free damage on her. Plus every kill takes away intelligence. It's pretty much a dream matchup. | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
Juggernaut, why are you so passive? I was playing Jakiro, and I wanted you to get the last hits. But nope. | ||
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FetTerBender
Germany1393 Posts
On February 18 2013 06:54 AbuseYouMerc wrote: Except it isnt, because you see, the 50/50 ratio would only be valid and applicable when it involves a 1vs1 situation. In this case however it is you + 4 others against 5 other people. There is too many variables and differences in skill level to accurately say that when you're on 50% you are where you belong. You get together 2 pools of players which are supposed to be around the same strength. It doesnt matter if there are variables or whatnot, and it doesnt matter which team will win. In the long run, it will still be freaking 50-50. And it will be 50-50 the next 200 million games aswell. Learn statistics, mate. Or stop talking BS. | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
I have even watched pro game where PL owned 1 v 5 (ended the game with double rampage). Is he that OP or can someone give me good tips how to beat him when you have incompetent teamates? It seems he can easily own every public game if the player is skilled enough. | ||
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
On February 18 2013 20:41 Ricjames wrote: Phantom Lancer...oh god PL. Seriously what the hell is going on. I got PL as enemy in 5 out of 7 games in CM,RD,SD,LP queue. No need to say PL won 1 vs 5 every one of those games. If you don't coordinate with the whole team to kill PL late game, he is unbeatable. I tried to do whatever i could, bought wards and dust whatever hero i had and still not enough. I have even watched pro game where PL owned 1 v 5 (ended the game with double rampage). Is he that OP or can someone give me good tips how to beat him when you have incompetent teamates? It seems he can easily own every public game if the player is skilled enough. The only counter i have for PL is to end the game early. It doesn't matter that he can get his diffusal/radiance up....as long as he doesn't have a Heart its still okay. a PL with a damage item & heart is just stupidly strong. Not to mention it's nearly impossible to get coordination to gank the PL in pubbie, if your solo-queuing | ||
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Domus
510 Posts
On February 18 2013 20:22 FetTerBender wrote: You get together 2 pools of players which are supposed to be around the same strength. It doesnt matter if there are variables or whatnot, and it doesnt matter which team will win. In the long run, it will still be freaking 50-50. And it will be 50-50 the next 200 million games aswell. Learn statistics, mate. Or stop talking BS. I don't think you understand statistics. Although for the entire dota2 population things might be roughly balanced it certainly isn't or has to be for an individual. The law of large numbers only works if you repeat the same experiment a large number of time, but games aren't the same in DOTA so it will take much, much, much longer to balance out and it might not balance out for individuals at all. Consider that Dota often has to take a really wide skill range for a match up to occur. When the counter takes 4-5 minutes you pretty much know Dota2 is going to sacrifice match balance so you can play a game. So now for the QQ. Have language set to English, still meeting a lot of people who speak Russian, and many have a serious attitude problem. Sometimes it feels like they take extra effort to lose a match. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On February 18 2013 21:01 Domus wrote: I don't think you understand statistics. Although for the entire dota2 population things might be roughly balanced it certainly isn't or has to be for an individual. The law of large numbers only works if you repeat the same experiment a large number of time, but games aren't the same in DOTA so it will take much, much, much longer to balance out and it might not balance out for individuals at all. Consider that Dota often has to take a really wide skill range for a match up to occur. When the counter takes 4-5 minutes you pretty much know Dota2 is going to sacrifice match balance so you can play a game. The variance will be significanty greater in a 5v5 game as opposed to a 1v1 game, but he's not wrong - the long run winrate of any player except for those right at the top and at the bottom is 50%. You don't blame matchmaking for not hitting 50% - you simply realize that getting 10 equally-skilled players looking for a game at the same time is rare. Also, skill is relative - if someone tries a new hero or role, then MMR won't factor that change. Over the long run that should normalize as well, but that increases the variance of the team strength for that particular game quite significantly. I laugh at the people who think Valve "forces" a 50% win rate... maybe the reality is that when you win a number of games in a row, your MMR is higher, so you tend to play more skilled players. And if you play equally skilled players as before, technically your team should be slightly weaker. | ||
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FetTerBender
Germany1393 Posts
On February 18 2013 21:01 Domus wrote: I don't think you understand statistics. Although for the entire dota2 population things might be roughly balanced it certainly isn't or has to be for an individual. The law of large numbers only works if you repeat the same experiment a large number of time, but games aren't the same in DOTA so it will take much, much, much longer to balance out and it might not balance out for individuals at all. Consider that Dota often has to take a really wide skill range for a match up to occur. When the counter takes 4-5 minutes you pretty much know Dota2 is going to sacrifice match balance so you can play a game. So now for the QQ. Have language set to English, still meeting a lot of people who speak Russian, and many have a serious attitude problem. Sometimes it feels like they take extra effort to lose a match. As well as it doesnt matter if the balls you draw are red, green, blue or black, the Nametag of a player doesnt matter much when you are looking at chances of winning. Only the MMR matters. Thus, it IS the same experiment. And regarding to your "large number of time": That is qhy i wrote in the long run. When you have a 50-50 chance and run it out 10-0 you are extremely lucky, but you should not expect it to continue... Now for my QQ: What the fuck, how can you even beat this combo? Magnus, DS, Sven, Eni, Tidehunter. All get stacked on one big ball and get trashed by the AoE and Cleave. Cant do anything in teamfights... So sad. | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
On February 18 2013 20:41 Ricjames wrote: Phantom Lancer...oh god PL. Seriously what the hell is going on. I got PL as enemy in 5 out of 7 games in CM,RD,SD,LP queue. No need to say PL won 1 vs 5 every one of those games. If you don't coordinate with the whole team to kill PL late game, he is unbeatable. I tried to do whatever i could, bought wards and dust whatever hero i had and still not enough. I have even watched pro game where PL owned 1 v 5 (ended the game with double rampage). Is he that OP or can someone give me good tips how to beat him when you have incompetent teamates? It seems he can easily own every public game if the player is skilled enough. I though Gyro may be a good soft counter to PL with some more farm. Early and mid game Gyro's presence is better. And in late game you need a one shot rapier attack and finish the game before they react. You can see Gyro can take down the whole team with an addition of CC except PL and force PL top retreat then tons of buyback or GG. I am not saying Gyro wins all the time but it works from time to time. | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
On February 18 2013 20:47 Mithhaike wrote: The only counter i have for PL is to end the game early. It doesn't matter that he can get his diffusal/radiance up....as long as he doesn't have a Heart its still okay. a PL with a damage item & heart is just stupidly strong. Not to mention it's nearly impossible to get coordination to gank the PL in pubbie, if your solo-queuing So basically you just agree with me that PL is ridiculously OP in pub games and questionably OP overall. Everyone complains about drow ranger here, well drow ranger is a piece of cake compared to PL. Any good advices against him are welcome. | ||
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FetTerBender
Germany1393 Posts
On February 18 2013 22:23 Ricjames wrote: So basically you just agree with me that PL is ridiculously OP in pub games and questionably OP overall. Everyone complains about drow ranger here, well drow ranger is a piece of cake compared to PL. Any good advices against him are welcome. Sven does not care about illusions. Pop the BKB to prevent manaburn, get wards or a gem and just trololol through the PL. Triple stack ancients farm to get ahead of him. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On February 18 2013 21:43 FetTerBender wrote: Now for my QQ: What the fuck, how can you even beat this combo? Magnus, DS, Sven, Eni, Tidehunter. All get stacked on one big ball and get trashed by the AoE and Cleave. Cant do anything in teamfights... So sad. Just gank I think. Plus lots of BKB and Linkens usage. You're not going to win a teamfight there without some way to deal with all the stuns or just picking them off bit by bit. Although I DID just spend a few minutes entertaining myself what would be the most OP way to play that combo. I'm thinking: Maxed Vacuum (huge area of effect, almost guarantee dragging their whole team into it) into blink RP skewer through a wall. Midnight pulse black hole on their bunched up team with Ion shell in there and Sven cleaving. Then Storm Hammer to keep them stunned and when that wears off Ravage to ensure none of them manage to get away (again, huge AoE). Anyone survives all of that? Surged Sven plus Malefice and Gush. >:D | ||
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