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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Mowr
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden791 Posts
June 29 2018 07:47 GMT
#13521
Hi guy, I am a bit out of the loop with current hardware and I have been wondering about a thing.
I installed 2x8 Gb RAM a year or two ago but one of then died on me I while back. So now I only have a single 8Gb RAM. Is that something that bottlenecks me with modern games and should I buy a new set, or will 8 Gb still work for some time?
Kill one man and they'll call you a murderer. Kill an army of men and they'll call you a general. But kill all men and they'll call you a god.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-29 10:19:36
June 29 2018 09:06 GMT
#13522
Having single channel instead of dual will hurt performance in many CPU heavy games but the performance loss would usually be more incremental (like a 10% loss) rather than critical. 8GB is fine for some stuff, not enough for others

You can probably get the RAM replaced under warranty
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-30 18:29:45
June 30 2018 18:29 GMT
#13523
Also you don't need an entire new set if just one died; you can replace the dead one and it'll be fine.
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SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-07 04:55:34
July 07 2018 04:54 GMT
#13524
I know the OP covers building vs buying pre-built from Falcon Northwest, Digital Storm, etc. Of course, there's pros and cons ... I've built my current rig several years ago, and honestly, I'm too lazy to do it again. I just don't care. I realize that when it's said and done, even if I find great pricing on pre-built, I'll probably still over pay a few hundred. Short story: I don't care.

So I come here to ask - has anyone actually gone pre-built route and what are the results? Are these companies actually trusted and ok? Basically, I want to ask you all for some direct reviews if you've dealt with it, than relying on some things I see through google searches. Any recommendation? Looking to absolutely go this route in the coming weeks after some more research. Thanks all.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12080 Posts
July 07 2018 10:18 GMT
#13525
Make sure you check all of the components in your PC. I had my PC prebuilt a bunch of years back, and while it was generally all in good condition, it later became obvious that they skimped a lot on the PSU. So make sure they tell you brand name and type of all the components, not only generic stats (stuff like "a 250GB SSD" or "16Gb of RAM" usually mean "The cheapest thing with those stats on the fact sheet we could find"). Then google all of those parts to make sure they are actually good and not a 750W PSU that struggles to actually deliver 350W because it is amazingly shitty.
Klowney
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden277 Posts
July 07 2018 12:28 GMT
#13526
Hello, I could use some help/advice on connecting multiple fans. I'm building a new PC with watercooling, radiators, etc, and my system will be using 10 fans. What is a good way to connect all of them? My motherboard has 4 slots, the fans are Corsair LL 120 with 4 pin connectors.
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10343 Posts
July 07 2018 12:59 GMT
#13527
Why on earth do you need 10 fans with a water cooling setup?
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Klowney
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden277 Posts
July 07 2018 13:22 GMT
#13528
Custom water cooling with hard tubes and several radiators.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-07 15:56:09
July 07 2018 15:49 GMT
#13529
On July 07 2018 21:59 R1CH wrote:
Why on earth do you need 10 fans with a water cooling setup?


Lots of people run setups like that with water

The main reasons that people run water are noise and/or cooling performance and if you're going for performance, having plenty of rad area with fans is a requirement. More radiator area with more fans can also improve the noise profile at the same performance level because you can run them at a far lower RPM without the water temperature rising higher under a high power load.

Those 240/280mm CLC's that you get for CPU's are just for the CPU, they're often handling something like 150 watt on an OC'd 8700k and they still ship with 2600rpm tornado fans to keep the delta-t low and look good on benchmarks. If you have a loop that's taking 700 watts like a pair of 1080ti's and a CPU then you need a sizable array of fans to cool it effectively and quietly

---

About the fan power consumption:

Each fan is rated for 0.3 A (3.6 W), which is the same as for the LL140 RGB fans, although do note that the LEDs are powered separately and from the PSU (via the fan LED hub). In practice, each fan had a maximum operating current draw of 0.182 A (2.18 W).


You can probably look up the max draw from your motherboard headers and run splitters from those, at least a couple fans per header. I'm also running three fans from a PSU (molex?) to 3x fan adapter, i think you can get fan hubs that take those connections and have a load of headers on them which can handle 10+ fans but plugging in via the PSU means bypassing motherboard fan control.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
fooby
Profile Joined September 2010
United States52 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-07 15:59:28
July 07 2018 15:57 GMT
#13530
PWM hubs and Y-splitter or 3-way splitter cables worked for me. This 8 way splitter allows for motherboard control without worrying about power consumption from the mobo header. I have 11 fans total in my THW-10 case. 3 intake on the PSU side, 4 for the top mounted 560mm radiator, 2 front,1 top intake on the mobo side with 1 rear exhaust, either 120 or 140 corsair ML's. This left 1 fan header open so I was free to connect my D5 RPM cable into the CPU fan header (not PWM controlled D5) on my Asrock x399 Fatality Pro.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
July 07 2018 18:03 GMT
#13531
On July 07 2018 21:59 R1CH wrote:
Why on earth do you need 10 fans with a water cooling setup?

It's not actually that many. A 360 and 240 rad in push/pull is 10.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Klowney
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden277 Posts
July 08 2018 20:14 GMT
#13532
Thanks for the advice, went with 2 SilverStone PWM Fan Hub Systems + some extension cables.
dummy1
Profile Blog Joined April 2018
420 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-13 09:00:45
July 13 2018 05:33 GMT
#13533
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SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
July 14 2018 02:18 GMT
#13534
Do you guys think an i7 8700K + GTX 1080 8gb DDR5 will be able to run games on the ultra/max settings for years to come?

(Just assume SSD, 16gb ram, etc -- so basically a pretty powerhouse computer in today's sense)

But question is longevity for the future? Is that video card that good, you think? Processor I'd believe, no problem
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-14 02:56:20
July 14 2018 02:44 GMT
#13535
It depends how well you'd want them to run, my 8700k @ 5ghz isn't able to run some games as well as i'd like on the CPU side already and it only gets worse over time.

There's a lot more room for configuration and a much wider range of performance on the graphics side, you can often drop settings there to raise graphical performance if required but you can't do the same for the CPU so having an 8700k (or "9900k" ;D) is a good bet for longevity.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
July 14 2018 03:21 GMT
#13536
On July 14 2018 11:44 Cyro wrote:
It depends how well you'd want them to run, my 8700k @ 5ghz isn't able to run some games as well as i'd like on the CPU side already and it only gets worse over time.

There's a lot more room for configuration and a much wider range of performance on the graphics side, you can often drop settings there to raise graphical performance if required but you can't do the same for the CPU so having an 8700k (or "9900k" ;D) is a good bet for longevity.


Thanks. I'm planning on creating a similar rig, but actually now that I think, I might just get an 8700, not a K, I don't think I'll be overclocking so probably not point for the K.

Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-14 15:59:15
July 14 2018 15:38 GMT
#13537
I hear audio over toslink. Do you notice the difference between onboard and soundcard quality? Maybe I can a extern one so I can use it at my pc and tv?

Some "setting optimization" for game x says that a soundcard can relieve cpu demand.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-15 02:00:50
July 15 2018 01:54 GMT
#13538
I don't know that much about it but AFAIK cpu load from audio is usually quite negligible on modern systems. There are MANY problems with sound cards causing DPC latency problems which can cause audio artifacts, microstuttering in games or even system-wide freezes in bad cases; watch out for that and read a lot of reviews if you get one.

The difference between onboard and external hardware will also depend a lot on how good the onboard audio is. Sometimes it's trash, sometimes it's great for anyone who's not spending $500 on audio equipment
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-15 03:56:22
July 15 2018 03:56 GMT
#13539
On July 14 2018 11:18 ProtossGG wrote:
Do you guys think an i7 8700K + GTX 1080 8gb DDR5 will be able to run games on the ultra/max settings for years to come?

(Just assume SSD, 16gb ram, etc -- so basically a pretty powerhouse computer in today's sense)

But question is longevity for the future? Is that video card that good, you think? Processor I'd believe, no problem

Max on AAA titles probably not, but it'll still be able to do high settings for years.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
July 15 2018 17:40 GMT
#13540
I was asking because sc2 is laggy at 20+min games and sound does have an impact but I found a bigger impact. sc2 64bit with low settings: 0-60fps. sc2 32bit with medium settings: 20-90 fps and it is really very noticeable even if you play without fps display. Win7 64bit.
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