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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
SkrollK
Profile Joined January 2015
France580 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-11 07:30:05
May 11 2017 07:28 GMT
#12981
Hum.
Regarding what you want, i'd say that 500W is reaaaaally overkill for that spec with no GPU. Like really.

Think you could be fine with <400W, but dunno what you can find in that range. Also, it depends if you intend to get a GPU for that comp in the future (seems not from what i understood).

You might try to get an ssd as well, they are quite cheap now and it Will imporve significantly your QoL using the PC.

Apart from taht, well, all seems good to me since I dont know the requirements for the softwares you said you wanted to run. Just make sure your socket on mobo is compatible with the cpu you bought (1151 + kaby lake seems ok to me), double check your case is compatible with your micro ATX mobo, and there you go.

Seems good to me, but you might wanna wait for some return from other people to confirm what i said.
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3175 Posts
May 14 2017 04:31 GMT
#12982
What to consider when picking a memory for motherboard other than clock speed?
holistic
Profile Joined June 2013
United States21 Posts
May 15 2017 19:48 GMT
#12983
Let's talk monitors!

What's the consensus on 144hz+ gaming monitors for sc2? Is it vastly better than 60hz? Why or why not?

How does sc2 look in 4k? Any improvements in visual quality?

Anyone help to compare the quality of HDR IPS monitors vs the OLED monitors on the horizon (like the DellUP3017Q)?

What is the minimum graphics card power required to run sc2 on 4k with a 6770K OC'd to 4.6ghz?

Cheers!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-15 20:21:16
May 15 2017 20:15 GMT
#12984
Sc2 runs poorly so you can't get max benefit from high refresh rate monitors regardless of the hardware but it helps somewhat (60hz is just really bad, going to 100hz should be worth a lot to most people) and the engine renders the mouse cursor independantly of the rest of the screen at the monitor refresh rate AFAIK (not sure on the details there) which helps.

Adaptive sync techs (Gsync, freesync) are beneficial on games like sc2 which have uneven frametime distributions and they work better with higher refresh rate monitors due to the wider range and lower time spent to refresh a frame even at low framerates.

4k won't change anything graphically but you have 4x more pixels than 1080p to show basically the same thing on the screen. Improved pixel density can make things look crisper and cleaner especially since sc2 does not support MSAA or Supersampling natively so it has jagged lines on the edge of objects that are cleaned up a lot by better resolutions. The UI scaling on sc2 and other blizzard games is much better than average among games so it should be pretty nice to use.

SC2 doesn't take much graphics power. I'm not sure of the exact performance levels but my intuition is that a gtx1060 / 980 level card would have no problem with max settings 4k, maybe even something weaker. Lower graphical settings (often used for competition) are a lot easier to run, too.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Nihly
Profile Joined April 2015
7 Posts
May 17 2017 10:41 GMT
#12985
A friend is considering buying a 1060 and is leaning towards the 3GB variant. I've been reading some reviews and when they compare the 3GB vs the 6GB they tend to lean towards the 6GB for "future-proofing." It seems the 6GB tend to have between 5-10 % more in performance but where I live the price difference is considerable higher than that so it's doesn't really seem worth it for performance sake right now.

Is there some current consensus on how much memory you need for 1080p at a reasonable high graphic settings? It kinda seems suicidal for companies to make games that require more when so many will be sub 3 GB for some time.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
May 17 2017 12:48 GMT
#12986
You can always lower your graphic settings to compensate.

You'll need to list the kind of games they'll be playing to tell how much it'll matter.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-17 13:41:25
May 17 2017 13:40 GMT
#12987
Games have been occasionally passing 3.5GB VRAM on max settings 1080p for about 2-3 years now (RIP gtx970) but almost all of them either don't use that much VRAM or have settings like texture quality that can be reduced to get under 3GB of VRAM used.

I'd say that it works fine today if you keep that in mind but will probably hurt in 3 years time
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Nihly
Profile Joined April 2015
7 Posts
May 17 2017 13:55 GMT
#12988
Ok, thanks for the input. I think he rather save a few bucks now and buy a new in a couple of years if necessary. Either is enough for the games he's currently playing and who knows about the future.
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
May 17 2017 14:40 GMT
#12989
On May 11 2017 16:28 SkrollK wrote:
Hum.
Regarding what you want, i'd say that 500W is reaaaaally overkill for that spec with no GPU. Like really.

Think you could be fine with <400W, but dunno what you can find in that range. Also, it depends if you intend to get a GPU for that comp in the future (seems not from what i understood).

You might try to get an ssd as well, they are quite cheap now and it Will imporve significantly your QoL using the PC.

Apart from taht, well, all seems good to me since I dont know the requirements for the softwares you said you wanted to run. Just make sure your socket on mobo is compatible with the cpu you bought (1151 + kaby lake seems ok to me), double check your case is compatible with your micro ATX mobo, and there you go.

Seems good to me, but you might wanna wait for some return from other people to confirm what i said.


Thanks man, sorry for late reply.

Yeah, felt the same way about the power supply. Will knock it down a notch.

I thought the MSI H270M LGA1151 was a Kaby Lake - the H270 is for the locked processor chipset right?
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
amaDeus
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany205 Posts
May 27 2017 18:00 GMT
#12990
Hello guys I need some help building my own PC.
I need it for gaming / streaming old + new games on 24' 1920x1080 on good settings or lower settings on 144Hz.
budget depends, just want to get a good value out of my money.

the build im contemplating:
PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fQkF9W
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fQkF9W/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor ($339.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright - Macho Rev.B 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler (Purchased For $0.00)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($97.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($136.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 750GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 750GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB STRIX Video Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: Fractal Design - Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (Purchased For $0.00)
Sound Card: Asus - Xonar DG 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Monitor: BenQ - XL2411 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $859.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-27 13:53 EDT-0400


I dont need to buy the monitor, the GPU, the SSDs, the Sound card and the CPU Cooler as i already have them ( + 2 120mm Case fans) I need to get the kit from Thermalright to use the Macho. I thought about picking another case (i took a liking to the NZXT S340 Elite, but the macho doesnt fit and i dont want to spend too much money unnecessarily, im open for suggestions tho)

if i wanted to get the NZXT S340 Elite, which cooler would you recommend? budget max 70-80€, any AiO Watercooling options?
I would really appreciate your help, thank you in advance!
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11981 Posts
May 27 2017 18:24 GMT
#12991
Do you really need the HDD in addition to the two SSDs?

I'd suggest just buying that once the two SSDs are actually full. Maybe that never even happens.
amaDeus
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany205 Posts
May 28 2017 15:36 GMT
#12992
On May 28 2017 03:24 Simberto wrote:
Do you really need the HDD in addition to the two SSDs?

I'd suggest just buying that once the two SSDs are actually full. Maybe that never even happens.


true, thanks.
anyone has a nzxt kraken 62 in use? i kinda want to buy the s340 elite :|
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-29 02:42:01
May 29 2017 02:34 GMT
#12993
I've got the x60 (not the x62). Why are you asking?

If it's about whether it'll fit in the case, it should. More here. The fans it comes with look to be fluid dynamic bearings, which iirc should be fine to run vertically.

Radiator Support:

Front 2 x 140 or 2 x 120mm
Rear 1 x 120mm
twitch.tv/cratonz
amaDeus
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany205 Posts
May 29 2017 11:56 GMT
#12994
On May 29 2017 11:34 Craton wrote:
I've got the x60 (not the x62). Why are you asking?

If it's about whether it'll fit in the case, it should. More here. The fans it comes with look to be fluid dynamic bearings, which iirc should be fine to run vertically.

Show nested quote +
Radiator Support:

Front 2 x 140 or 2 x 120mm
Rear 1 x 120mm


Oh, i didnt even write my question. sorry. :'D
Do you have any problems with the CAM software? i read a lot of bad reviews about it. i'm a bit reluctant to buy it even though its hardware is supposed to be better than the other AiO solutions.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
May 29 2017 18:59 GMT
#12995
I've never used the CAM software, sorry.
twitch.tv/cratonz
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
May 30 2017 09:48 GMT
#12996
New Intel Core I9's up to 18 cores

https://newsroom.intel.com/editorials/new-intel-core-x-series-processors-scale-accessibility-and-performance-go-extreme/

Finally Flash can build a PC to multibox 5 sessions of Dota so he can form a 1 man Dota team
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
May 30 2017 21:28 GMT
#12997
On May 30 2017 18:48 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
New Intel Core I9's up to 18 cores

https://newsroom.intel.com/editorials/new-intel-core-x-series-processors-scale-accessibility-and-performance-go-extreme/

Finally Flash can build a PC to multibox 5 sessions of Dota so he can form a 1 man Dota team

Can't wait to see the pricing compared to AMD's 16 core threadripper
Moderatorlickypiddy
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
May 31 2017 02:33 GMT
#12998
On May 31 2017 06:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2017 18:48 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
New Intel Core I9's up to 18 cores

https://newsroom.intel.com/editorials/new-intel-core-x-series-processors-scale-accessibility-and-performance-go-extreme/

Finally Flash can build a PC to multibox 5 sessions of Dota so he can form a 1 man Dota team

Can't wait to see the pricing compared to AMD's 16 core threadripper

Lol theadripper those cpus are comically large because they're server chips just a dual socket in one.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
May 31 2017 07:16 GMT
#12999
I'm far more interested in those compute cards. I could see a lot of pretty handy uses for them depending on how the price and specs pan out.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-07 00:24:57
June 04 2017 13:29 GMT
#13000
On May 31 2017 06:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2017 18:48 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
New Intel Core I9's up to 18 cores

https://newsroom.intel.com/editorials/new-intel-core-x-series-processors-scale-accessibility-and-performance-go-extreme/

Finally Flash can build a PC to multibox 5 sessions of Dota so he can form a 1 man Dota team

Can't wait to see the pricing compared to AMD's 16 core threadripper


The initial pricing that Intel gave was more than twice as expensive as rumored threadripper price core-for-core and it's also not coming until 2018 even though it's a 2015 architecture and version of 14nm (which they have since upgraded to 14nm+ for kaby lake and 14nm++ for coffee lake, shipping in q3 '17 last i heard)



High core count half of the lineup 2-3 quarters late and coming with a rumored socket revision to support them properly because they made it up on the spot after the threadripper announcement.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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