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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
April 30 2017 23:02 GMT
#12961
On May 01 2017 00:48 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2017 15:46 Craton wrote:
I would say it's unwise to characterize laptops by an entire brand. ASUS, as is true with any brand, varies quite a bit from model to model.

Except Apple


Apple has some great laptops and some trash ones as well
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13018 Posts
April 30 2017 23:38 GMT
#12962
On May 01 2017 08:02 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2017 00:48 Poopi wrote:
On April 29 2017 15:46 Craton wrote:
I would say it's unwise to characterize laptops by an entire brand. ASUS, as is true with any brand, varies quite a bit from model to model.

Except Apple


Apple has some great laptops and some trash ones as well

There are only 3 afaik: Pro, , Air, and none is trash iirc except if you only use performance per dollar as a metric.
WriterMaru
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-01 01:22:44
May 01 2017 00:28 GMT
#12963
There have been a bunch of different generations & models for each product, sometimes updated mid-cycle as well - calling them all "the macbook pro" etc may be good for branding but it doesn't describe the product very well. You need to know the name, the size, the year of release and sometimes more to figure out what hardware you're actually dealing with

The newer macbook pros had some major regressions so a lot of people are choosing to buy the older versions with 5 year old hardware or switching brands
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-01 06:48:37
May 01 2017 03:30 GMT
#12964
Apple has had more than 50 versions of the Macbook. Some of the recent ones had severe battery issues. Past ones have had issues with hard drive failures or overheating. You're not adding anything constructive by fanboying over Apple products.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13018 Posts
May 01 2017 09:00 GMT
#12965
Weren't the battery issues software related and mostly gone by now?
From what I read in independant reviews it's been mostly fine, so I'd like to know which model (year etc) was trash?
Possibly the latest trash one.
WriterMaru
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-01 10:35:12
May 01 2017 10:34 GMT
#12966
On May 01 2017 12:30 Craton wrote:
Apple has had more than 50 versions of the Macbook. Some of the recent ones had severe battery issues. Past ones have had issues with hard drive failures or overheating. You're not adding anything constructive by fanboying over Apple products.


Are there still Apple fans? I guess some people have too much money to waste. I can also buy an Apple laptop, but I don't want to buy something I can't customise. Also, it's overpriced.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 01 2017 19:48 GMT
#12967
On April 28 2017 19:46 Maiev85 wrote:
Hello everyone,

I am thinking of buying a gaming laptop. Normally i would buy a desktop but i cant because I need to get it to work also in order to do crystallography simulations with Olex2 and to run MatLAB simulations on 2D HYSCORE spectra. The laptop that i have now is a lenovo Y500 and it is the one with only 1 graphics card. Both of those programs r really heavy and whenever i check the CPUs they seem to go to 100% (not all of them at once). My laptop has an i7 3rd generation with 8gb of ram and a geforce 650m gpu.

So now the first question is: I was researching a lot about gaming laptops and all of them seem to have some problems. Razer overheating ASUS ROG some compatability MSI cheap plastics etc etc.

from which company do u think that i should buy? Im thinking of ASUS.

I dont mind either if it is going to be 15 or 17 inches or how many kilos cause ill be cycling but not more than 5

Budgetwise i can spend around 2000 to 2500 pounds but cheaper is much appreciated

The place ill be buying from is Amazon except if u know any better place from the UK.

So im organising to buy the laptop around june or july.

also if possible tell me only the latest ones that r good enough with 7th generation processor and to be intel

a nvidia 1070 would be great also cause in general i keep my laptop for around 4 to 5 years.

i play all kind of different games and i would like to play all the new games also the ones that they say that have awesome graphics.

cheers

It's an expensive option, but I couldn't be happier with my Razer Blade with the Nvidia 1060 in it. Overheating hasn't been an issue at all for me.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-01 20:35:43
May 01 2017 20:27 GMT
#12968
On May 01 2017 19:34 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2017 12:30 Craton wrote:
Apple has had more than 50 versions of the Macbook. Some of the recent ones had severe battery issues. Past ones have had issues with hard drive failures or overheating. You're not adding anything constructive by fanboying over Apple products.


Are there still Apple fans? I guess some people have too much money to waste. I can also buy an Apple laptop, but I don't want to buy something I can't customise. Also, it's overpriced.

Yes, there are many. Primarily Apple is used by casual users, graphic artists, and web or mobile developers (in part because you can't develop for IOS without an Apple OS). You can VM or bootcamp Windows (at added cost), so it's not uncommon for developers to use Mac hardware to run both operating system since there is no other option. It also had some benefits for development over windows prior to windows 10 due to file path length limitations and the extremely verbose paths of common tools (e.g. NPM or Spring Tool Suite). Beyond that it's largely a matter of personal preference. In the past Macs (in general) had better battery life on average than other laptops. These days it's not really the case anymore.

For gaming it's not very practical, as graphics capabilities aren't a big factor for their consumer base and a decent selection of games don't have Mac support (either none at all, delayed releases, or degraded experiences). With gaming laptops in general you're trying to maximize your performance per dollar, and Macbooks tend to rate very poorly on that scale. The subset of apple users who actually do need graphic performance (which is usually things like 3d modeling) will opt for the very expensive mac desktops (ranging up to around $4000, iirc).
twitch.tv/cratonz
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 02 2017 08:57 GMT
#12969
On May 01 2017 19:34 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2017 12:30 Craton wrote:
Apple has had more than 50 versions of the Macbook. Some of the recent ones had severe battery issues. Past ones have had issues with hard drive failures or overheating. You're not adding anything constructive by fanboying over Apple products.


Are there still Apple fans? I guess some people have too much money to waste. I can also buy an Apple laptop, but I don't want to buy something I can't customise. Also, it's overpriced.

I can also bash your choice of OS/Hardware, but I don't see any point in it.

You pick the device/OS that fits your requirements. The brand should not matter. If an Apple device is what matches your requirements, you get one, if not, get what suits you better.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Maiev85
Profile Joined April 2017
3 Posts
May 02 2017 10:16 GMT
#12970
So I have heard about MSI Asus and Razer, and all the Apple comments Either way I would never buy an Apple cause they are overpriced for the hardware that they provide. Could I have more specific answers for the laptops? This community is a gaming community and thats why I made that post here. Could you tell me which is the best option for now? Also where to buy it from.
Cheers :D
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13018 Posts
May 02 2017 11:33 GMT
#12971
Can't you buy a desktop gaming rig and a cheap laptop, and use the desktop to run the simulations from your laptop?
WriterMaru
Maiev85
Profile Joined April 2017
3 Posts
May 02 2017 12:16 GMT
#12972
yeah i was thinking of that but then i would have to buy a monitor and the other stuff and have good house connection which is not viable for a phd student
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-02 21:37:05
May 02 2017 21:36 GMT
#12973
On May 02 2017 17:57 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2017 19:34 Shield wrote:
On May 01 2017 12:30 Craton wrote:
Apple has had more than 50 versions of the Macbook. Some of the recent ones had severe battery issues. Past ones have had issues with hard drive failures or overheating. You're not adding anything constructive by fanboying over Apple products.


Are there still Apple fans? I guess some people have too much money to waste. I can also buy an Apple laptop, but I don't want to buy something I can't customise. Also, it's overpriced.

I can also bash your choice of OS/Hardware, but I don't see any point in it.

You pick the device/OS that fits your requirements. The brand should not matter. If an Apple device is what matches your requirements, you get one, if not, get what suits you better.


You can try to bash PC, but I don't think you'll succeed. Flexibility and affordability is a very nice feature for PC. There's nothing PC can't do that Mac can do.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
May 02 2017 23:56 GMT
#12974
Pretty easy to bash microsoft in the last 5 years
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 03 2017 06:18 GMT
#12975
On May 03 2017 06:36 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2017 17:57 phagga wrote:
On May 01 2017 19:34 Shield wrote:
On May 01 2017 12:30 Craton wrote:
Apple has had more than 50 versions of the Macbook. Some of the recent ones had severe battery issues. Past ones have had issues with hard drive failures or overheating. You're not adding anything constructive by fanboying over Apple products.


Are there still Apple fans? I guess some people have too much money to waste. I can also buy an Apple laptop, but I don't want to buy something I can't customise. Also, it's overpriced.

I can also bash your choice of OS/Hardware, but I don't see any point in it.

You pick the device/OS that fits your requirements. The brand should not matter. If an Apple device is what matches your requirements, you get one, if not, get what suits you better.


You can try to bash PC, but I don't think you'll succeed. Flexibility and affordability is a very nice feature for PC. There's nothing PC can't do that Mac can do.

You DO know that Macs are PCs too, right? Also, you completely missed my point.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
May 03 2017 21:55 GMT
#12976
Anyway, can we stop with this nonsense already?
twitch.tv/cratonz
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
May 05 2017 21:17 GMT
#12977
Interesting performance overview between rx580 & fast VRAM 1060 from Techspot

http://www.techspot.com/review/1393-radeon-rx-580-vs-geforce-gtx-1060/

rx580 being 2.5% faster overall but ranging from 14% slower to 18% faster depending on the game, not just on outliers

http://i.imgur.com/Zhe7bEC.png
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
NateTheTitan
Profile Joined May 2017
1 Post
Last Edited: 2017-05-07 01:11:45
May 07 2017 00:31 GMT
#12978
edit:

So sorry for wasting your time: I found a 1080 on such an amazing sale that the question is somewhat moot now. ($650 CDN on amazon for anybody in the market)

original post, please ignore:


Hey guys,

Could use a few words of advice about a somewhat specialized machine I want to build:

I'm starting to do some development in Unity to create some VR projects. I also might try learning some machine learning skills while I'm at it, so its appealing to have a gpu that works for that (CUDA is what i'm looking for?).

I'm not 100% sure what I need to get going, i just know that my gtx960 and i5 4670 (or something) isn't quite enough unless I want to stick to extremely simplistic projects. I get some framerate issues, mostly if the "camera" has to move. I also want to keep it cost effective, since I'm a student and would like to not spend my entire savings on it...

1 - Is it worth upgrading from my i5 4570 (or something similar), keeping in mind that the GPU is being replaced?
2 - How is the value for a gtx 1080 vs 1070 or 1080 ti? Are there other cards worth looking into?
3 - Are there any new GPU releases expected soon that might cause a price drop for a higher-end gpu that would fit my needs?

(I live in Canada if it makes a difference)

Thanks ahead of time,
Nate
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13422 Posts
May 08 2017 14:00 GMT
#12979
On May 02 2017 21:16 Maiev85 wrote:
yeah i was thinking of that but then i would have to buy a monitor and the other stuff and have good house connection which is not viable for a phd student


I have an HP that I got years ago with an i7 (3k series) and a gtx 630m.

It still works great, and its survived quite the beat up as an MA student. I've spilled coffee on it, tea, dropped it, cracked the case etc.

All I've had to do was redo the thermal paste on the CPU, replace the case fan after 4 years and replace the hard drive from the coffee that got to it.

In the end, pick specs, find something in your price range and go with it. In the end, the processor and GPU will be the same. so long as the case is made well and you treat it right with some maintenance and how you carry it around you'll be fine IMO.

I mean people hate on HP but mine is still going strong and I use it to encode my twitch stream now and my fiancee plays minecraft on it from time to time on the couch or in bed.

I got mine for 750 Canadian to boot.

If there is one thing I've learned about laptops is its a bit of luck on how it performs and how long it lasts. I've seen some high end computers break in a few months and other cheaper ones like mine go forever.

So don't worry too much about what you're buying. I am sure some companies are known for cheaping out on the power supplies or motherboards so check reviews and so long as thats not happening you'll be fine.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
May 10 2017 19:32 GMT
#12980
Hello folks, I'd be really grateful if you would critique my build. I'm building a PC for my wife, mainly for Photoshop and Illustrator graphics work:

CPU: Intel Core i5-7500 3.4GHz £178.14

Motherboard: MSI H270M BAZOOKA Micro ATX LGA1151 £83.10

RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 £97.50

Storage: Western Digital - Blue 1TB 3.5" £47.10

Case: Cooler Master - N300 ATX Mid Tower Case £36.15

Power Supply: EVGA - 500W 80+ Certified ATX £37.93

Monitor: Asus - VE247H 23.6" £109.44

Total: £589.36

uk.pcpartpicker.com

What is your budget?

£500-600 (including monitor)

What is your monitor's native resolution?

1920-1080 (included in build)

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?

None.

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?

Adobe Creative Cloud - Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign. No video editing.

Do you intend to overclock?

No.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?

No.

Do you need an operating system?

Yes, but can get Windows 10 from work for cheap. Not included in build.

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?

Monitor, included. No others.

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.

Intel processor.

What country will you be buying your parts in?

UK

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.

Preferably Amazon because we have Prime for free next day delivery.
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
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