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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
EmKey
Profile Joined December 2002
Korea (South)631 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-14 14:17:14
September 14 2016 14:10 GMT
#12521
Hmm we must have seen different graphs Cyro. Im pretty sure i saw several games with less than 0-1% gain. But i dont remember the settings and titles.

I didnt know about gpu power difference. It may be impactful. Those games were probably cpu bottlenecked
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-14 17:12:45
September 14 2016 16:35 GMT
#12522
On September 14 2016 23:07 EmKey wrote:
I think its currently close in 1080p but the difference may grow in the future when the game requirements change. IIRC in some games fps gain will be nearly nonexistant in 6gb vs 3gb but people say games will be more demanding memory wise in the future. So paying these 20-30% more (or w/e the diff is) for 6gb the next 1-2 years probably not the best idea but if you stay on it for 4-5years it may "pay off".


It's actually probably less than a 10% performance loss. There are ~1.11x less core but the memory stuff (l2, rops, bandwidth etc) is untouched so the performance per core will be higher and it could be more like a 5% loss.

VRAM capacity alone will not affect FPS in a meaningful way unless you're using too much VRAM on the card - at which point you'd get high load times, stuttering etc that would make gameplay unpleasant regardless of the framerate
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24143 Posts
September 17 2016 04:17 GMT
#12523
Think I convinced myself (with y'alls help) on the 1060 6gb, now to decide which one. Any reason I shouldn't consider the Zotac mini ZT? seems to be more liked than the gigabyte one and the least expensive option.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
September 17 2016 12:56 GMT
#12524
In general I'd avoid half-length cards if possible. They're going to be loud(er) all else equal.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 20 2016 20:28 GMT
#12525
What's a good CPU & GPU combo for a game like BF1? 1080p 60 hz monitor.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
September 21 2016 06:05 GMT
#12526
I'd guess an rx480/1060-6GB with a skylake i5 for maxing everything and running well. The official requirements are not very accurate.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
September 25 2016 06:58 GMT
#12527
Friend wants his built with a 1500$ budget, needs windows but no monitor or anything like that.

idk he wants to push the budget so i dont think anything is too high. next week is when he's building it, monday i think.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
September 25 2016 12:32 GMT
#12528
You're probably gonna have to give more information than that, ala the formatting.

You say he has a monitor, what resolution and refresh rate? Both are pretty important for choosing components.

What does he want to play, triple A's in shiny graphics? Comp settings CS/Overwatch/SCII etc.

Also, where is this even taking place. The assumption is probably murica, but the prices change pretty drastically outside of the US.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
September 25 2016 21:45 GMT
#12529
On September 25 2016 21:32 Divine-Sneaker wrote:
You're probably gonna have to give more information than that, ala the formatting.

You say he has a monitor, what resolution and refresh rate? Both are pretty important for choosing components.

What does he want to play, triple A's in shiny graphics? Comp settings CS/Overwatch/SCII etc.

Also, where is this even taking place. The assumption is probably murica, but the prices change pretty drastically outside of the US.

Not really sure what monitor tbh. I think he was wanting to dual monitor so maybe throw one in there also.
Only plays WoW and wants to play at max settings too i know that for sure.

Also yes, Murica
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-26 01:38:47
September 25 2016 22:11 GMT
#12530
skylake i5 (not because it'd help much over i3 for WoW but because an i3 is out of place at such a budget) & then slight edge for nvidia on the graphics side
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
supremej
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands7 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 21:49:29
September 27 2016 08:27 GMT
#12531
Comment removed.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24143 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 09:55:21
September 27 2016 08:31 GMT
#12532
So I'm finally going to get a card, think I'm going with gigabyte 1070 (not sure if getting G1 or not) but realized I'm running my 560 on 2 6-pins.

If I can't find the 8-pin cords that came with my power supply, how would I go about replacing them/would I need to?

EDIT: Link for PSU

EDIT2: If it matters, the 6 pins have 3 yellow wires each.

EDIT3: Looks like this would do the trick?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 11:48:20
September 27 2016 11:44 GMT
#12533
The "8-pins" are 6+2 pins

you shouldn't use an adapter like that to add extra pins for power
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24143 Posts
September 27 2016 18:35 GMT
#12534
On September 27 2016 20:44 Cyro wrote:
The "8-pins" are 6+2 pins

you shouldn't use an adapter like that to add extra pins for power


From what I read the two other pins in this case aren't actually for power. The 6pin (in my case but not every) already has 3 12v lines, which is the same as an 8 -pin.

I mean I'd prefer not to, but it seems people are doing it without problems (so long as they aren't trying to use it on a 350W PSU or whatever).
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
September 27 2016 22:46 GMT
#12535
I've checked price of GTX 1080.. holy shit, £650. It seems cheaper in the US though. Something like £100 cheaper.
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
September 28 2016 09:16 GMT
#12536
Everything is significantly cheaper in the US because of the taxes we pay, that they don't.
As for the 1080, it is pretty stupidly expensive, and a lot more so than the two previous generations of x80's were at launch for no particular reason other than because Nvidia can.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24143 Posts
September 28 2016 19:13 GMT
#12537
On September 28 2016 18:16 Divine-Sneaker wrote:
Everything is significantly cheaper in the US because of the taxes we pay, that they don't.
As for the 1080, it is pretty stupidly expensive, and a lot more so than the two previous generations of x80's were at launch for no particular reason other than because Nvidia can.


Because there is no competition for the 1080. What I don't understand is how there can still be 2gb 750 ti's on "sale" at over $200.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
September 30 2016 18:32 GMT
#12538
Any thoughts on this prebuilt? http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=7_1203_1446_1448&item_id=090721

Decent price point compared to buying the pieces separately (add 10% discount to bring it to $1000 CAD even)
Comes with Windows 10 which saves me pirating windows 7 / paying for windows
970 vs 1060/1070. almost the same price point makes me want to just build it myself.
Apparently the power source is absolute trash.

It's not for me which is why the budget is tighter and desire to build myself is lower but I would appreciate feedback either way!

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trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-01 02:32:08
October 01 2016 02:32 GMT
#12539
On October 01 2016 03:32 ComaDose wrote:
Any thoughts on this prebuilt? http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=7_1203_1446_1448&item_id=090721

Decent price point compared to buying the pieces separately (add 10% discount to bring it to $1000 CAD even)
Comes with Windows 10 which saves me pirating windows 7 / paying for windows
970 vs 1060/1070. almost the same price point makes me want to just build it myself.
Apparently the power source is absolute trash.

It's not for me which is why the budget is tighter and desire to build myself is lower but I would appreciate feedback either way!

relevant posts


just use the pcpartpicker entry level guide as baseline (as has been suggested before). currently it's ~750CAD. your premade has a cpu one tier higher for +250CAD. a windows 7 key is roughly 20USD if you know where to look.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-01 09:54:15
October 01 2016 09:53 GMT
#12540
They don't list some important stuff (vague specs like "ddr4", "240GB SSD", "gtx970" without a guarantee on which version, PSU etc) so i wouldn't personally buy or recommend from such a site. Those four and more are stuff that prebuilts cheap out on often for profit margins
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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