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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
September 01 2015 19:06 GMT
#10701
AMD is pretty quick to talk shit

There was a guy offering cheap "upgrades" to 290's after the 4GB VRAM drama. It took like a week and the offer was like 4% money off only one 290 model - the xfx 290, which i did not want to buy because it has serious VRM cooling problems that can result in throttling at stock speeds.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-01 19:10:02
September 01 2015 19:09 GMT
#10702
Yeah well, one would assume AMD are getting quite desperate at this point so it's not terribly surprising that they jump on these things. With how Intel and Nvidia pretty much dominating the enthusiast market..
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-01 19:15:13
September 01 2015 19:14 GMT
#10703
So, the fan I added to the floor of my case basically completely solved my cooling problem, but I managed to get even lower temperatures both at idle and under load by adding a fan to my bedroom. Basically, my bedroom has a door and two windows, and it's usually warmer inside than out, even with the windows open at night. So what I did was got a 20" box fan and put it in one window (wedged between the window and the sill) set up as an intake fan. It sucks air in which passes through my computer and is exhausted out the fanless window. My room is noticeably cooler, going from "muggy at times" when the computer is under load to "slightly chilly". Even better, I've got great temps now. I used the fan as an intake instead of exhaust to keep up positive pressure in room kekeke

seriously though it made a bigger difference than I would have thought. Has anyone else found that keeping the room cool helps?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-01 19:28:22
September 01 2015 19:27 GMT
#10704
I'm quite lucky in that my apartment is cool in the summers, it's a problem in the winter though I have to add extra radiators to keep warm.. But yeah, my computer ran considerably hotter at my old place where the summers were really bad, obviously ambient temperatures changes a lot. If they didn't then there would be no need for fans in a closed case and wouldn't that be the dream.
Too weird to live, too rare to die.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
September 01 2015 19:57 GMT
#10705
On September 02 2015 04:27 Firkraag8 wrote:
I'm quite lucky in that my apartment is cool in the summers, it's a problem in the winter though I have to add extra radiators to keep warm.. But yeah, my computer ran considerably hotter at my old place where the summers were really bad, obviously ambient temperatures changes a lot. If they didn't then there would be no need for fans in a closed case and wouldn't that be the dream.


No, because sunny summer > no fans in case any day.
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
September 01 2015 20:09 GMT
#10706
On September 02 2015 04:57 darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2015 04:27 Firkraag8 wrote:
I'm quite lucky in that my apartment is cool in the summers, it's a problem in the winter though I have to add extra radiators to keep warm.. But yeah, my computer ran considerably hotter at my old place where the summers were really bad, obviously ambient temperatures changes a lot. If they didn't then there would be no need for fans in a closed case and wouldn't that be the dream.


No, because sunny summer > no fans in case any day.

Why compromise? I'm just saying if ambient temperatures didn't affect anything in the computer then it could be as sunny as you want and you wouldn't need fans to cool anything. So sunny summers+nofans > sunny summers+fans.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-01 20:16:08
September 01 2015 20:14 GMT
#10707
but I managed to get even lower temperatures both at idle and under load by adding a fan to my bedroom


Ambient temps is a big deal. It's nice being acclimated to scotland because the only time my room gets hotter than 15-17c is during the hot times of the summer, so realistically under 5% of the time every year as it's only certain times of one season during the day (not night).

My friend lives in austria at the moment and for much of this summer, his ambients were literally 20c higher than mine. His case cooling was also worse, so his components were flat out ~25-30c hotter than mine.

You can expect 1c cooler room = 1c cooler hardware, but in extremes (such as a 20c difference) it can actually be amplified a little more.

obviously ambient temperatures changes a lot. If they didn't then there would be no need for fans in a closed cas


Fans would still be neccesary. If you kept your stuff in a sealed box, the heat wouldn't leave very quickly and the air in the box would heat to +10, +20, +30c over ambient. The main difference is, if your ambient is 15c then that'd be 45c air, while if your ambient is 30c then it'd be ~60c air in the case.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-01 20:34:15
September 01 2015 20:29 GMT
#10708
If ambient temperatures didn't matter then it wouldn't make any difference how much hotter it got period. I'm not sure why it's being argued, read the reply again.
Too weird to live, too rare to die.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-01 20:45:52
September 01 2015 20:45 GMT
#10709
Oh i partially misread

Yeah, ambient temp does matter. Especially if you make significant changes to it.

At one point with improving case airflow, you're deciding if you want say +6c or +12c over room temp (in some cases, even +20c or more with bad airflow and high powered components). Simply lowering your room temp by 6c would have the same effect without the added noise.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
September 01 2015 20:52 GMT
#10710
Sadly, my box fan makes significantly more noise than my computer fans, cause it's a cheap box fan. That being said, I don't really care since none of it is audible over my game sounds anyways. The computer fan I added to my thor V2 (Prolimatech 140mm Blue Vortex (link)) is quiet, like the stock Thor V2 fans. In general I guess I'm not getting the super high end high power fans so the box fan seems louder
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
September 01 2015 21:19 GMT
#10711
It can still be more worth it to cool down your room rather than fighting an uphill battle to keep your case temperature as close to room temperature as possible, as you've probably seen :D
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-02 23:48:15
September 02 2015 23:47 GMT
#10712
Any thoughts on HyperX Cloud 2 headphones? I'm looking for headphones with a microphone for PC. These are a bit more expensive for my taste, but if they are stable for the next 2-3 years, then that may be ok. It's just gaming and music that I'm interested in, I was never a fan of bass and shit like that.
Thryd
Profile Joined March 2012
86 Posts
September 03 2015 02:51 GMT
#10713
On September 03 2015 08:47 darkness wrote:
Any thoughts on HyperX Cloud 2 headphones? I'm looking for headphones with a microphone for PC. These are a bit more expensive for my taste, but if they are stable for the next 2-3 years, then that may be ok. It's just gaming and music that I'm interested in, I was never a fan of bass and shit like that.


As far as gaming headsets go, they're pretty decent in sound quality, seeing how they're a rebranded takstar pro 80, with a mic attached. I would still recommend an actual pair of headphones and a cheap mic that you can buy separate, but that all depends on your budget.
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
September 03 2015 03:33 GMT
#10714
You'll probably not find a good set of headphones and separate mic that's better for under $100.. Also hard to find a better headset for the same price so you should be good with those darkness, as Thryd says far as gaming headsets go they're among the better ones.
Too weird to live, too rare to die.
Vallelol
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1046 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-03 10:29:47
September 03 2015 10:22 GMT
#10715
On August 28 2015 22:26 mantequilla wrote:
@Vallelol,

I think a simple GPU upgrade may bring much performance to your old build. Other parts are not that outdated to run those games you asked.


Thanks for the response! Any recommendations on a GPU upgrade that fits my other parts?

My first thought was to get this one: MSI GeForce GTX 960
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-03 10:47:26
September 03 2015 10:42 GMT
#10716
It's a good pick for your listed games. 970 is one step up and 950 is one step down. Choose based on your budget

970 would be able to handle more resource hungry games with better settings, for more years. 950 would still be able to run your games ok while being a lil cheaper and weaker than 960. Assuming 1080p at most.

But I'm not really sure about 960 or 950 is that much faster than your old gtx 570 to warrant an upgrade.
Age of Mythology forever!
Vallelol
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1046 Posts
September 03 2015 11:02 GMT
#10717
On September 03 2015 19:42 mantequilla wrote:
It's a good pick for your listed games. 970 is one step up and 950 is one step down. Choose based on your budget

970 would be able to handle more resource hungry games with better settings, for more years. 950 would still be able to run your games ok while being a lil cheaper and weaker than 960. Assuming 1080p at most.

But I'm not really sure about 960 or 950 is that much faster than your old gtx 570 to warrant an upgrade.


Seems reasonable, thank you!

So I'll think about getting a 970 or delaying my purchase for another 6 months or so
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-03 11:51:43
September 03 2015 11:49 GMT
#10718
upcoming 6 months shouldn't bring much difference to what's on the market today, amd's and nvidia's new cards came out just recently (but im not really knowledgeable about market things someone correct me if im wrong). So there's not a big reason to wait for 6 months if you have the moneyzz for 970
Age of Mythology forever!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-03 15:43:07
September 03 2015 14:49 GMT
#10719
950 and 960 are the same GPU (950 is cheaper but partially disabled)

970/980 is the next upgrade after that - they're the same GPU as eachother, but this time it's the one above the 950/960 (~1.65 - 2x faster vs 960)

980ti/Titan X are the high end 570/580 equivelant GPU's, but 980ti would be the one to buy for almost all gamers in the position to buy them.

Over the last few generations, nvidia has been changing their naming scheme so x80 (like 680, 980 etc) is not the best GPU any more, often not even close. It's midrange - upper midrange now but not flagship tier. Part of that is deceptive marketing that both GPU vendors are doing a lot of these days in an effort to sell more stuff.

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"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
bluegarfield
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore1128 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-03 18:14:25
September 03 2015 18:04 GMT
#10720
Alright, 2nd PC for 2nd friend on the way. This time I kind of know what is what, but still need some final pieces of advices.

Basically this build is mainly for Linux, VR (oculus rift),programming, running VMs. A quirky requirement is that my friend going for sort of white/red/orange theme build, but he cant wait for the Gigabyte SOC Force mobo. and other gaming series mobo (red color) are a little bit expensive. Also the case is a toss up between Fractal R5 and H440, both white. I wonder if Hyper 212 evo has enough RAM clearance for Corsair/G.skill ripjaws V??

He will definitely play some games like Witcher 3 down the road, but not now, so I omit the GPU. 650W is to future-proof SLI needs, but I am not sure about this, especially VR system requirements is not all set. SSD is a future upgrade.

Other than that, I know this is just another super standard skylake build, but I am still looking for some fine-tuning or recommendations. Thanks a lot


***** Price is in SGD
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($790.00)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($65.00)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($0.00)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($249.00)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($76.00)
Case: NZXT H440 (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($165.00)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12G 650W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($147.00)
Total: $1492.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-03 13:53 EDT-0400

edit: looking for spray paint to paint the case as well lol. Some red decoration on the white case. Any good spray paint can type/brand?

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What is your budget?
1500SGD+/-. Price is stupid here, so can kinda ignore this

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1080p

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Witcher 3, but in the future, not needed now

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Linux, VR (oculus rift), programming, VMs

Do you intend to overclock?
yes/no. will just do a mild one as far as Hyper212 allows

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
May be, if oculus/VR requires

Do you need an operating system?
No

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
White/red/orange theme
brand-wise, not really, just need quality stuff. Also wait for the nvidia/amd dx12 saga to end

What country will you be buying your parts in?
Singapore

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.

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