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mantequilla
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Shield
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bluegarfield
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Cyro
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
And this gen they jack up the price of K relative to the others. On the other hand, they separated CPU BCLK from that which goes to PCIe and so on, so will motherboards let people BCLK overclock on non-K chips? That would be something... | ||
]343[
United States10328 Posts
Currently planning on buying: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xvCQWZ Please let me know if I'm doing anything very stupid, etc. + Show Spoiler [questions from page 1] + What is your budget? ~$1k What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? I don't have many new games... being able to play and stream Skyrim on high would be nice Also, to play Dwarf Fortress at some reasonable FPS What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? develop software Do you intend to overclock? I'd like to keep the option open Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? no Do you need an operating system? I'll probably dual-boot Windows and Ubuntu Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I'll probably get another monitor (up to $200, maybe; it's included in the build above) If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. n/a What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. n/a, I guess Amazon is nice because I have Prime, so shipping is fast | ||
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IceHism
United States1903 Posts
On September 06 2015 16:49 ]343[ wrote: I wanna build a desktop for Labor Day. I'm pretty much a total noob at this. Currently planning on buying: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xvCQWZ Please let me know if I'm doing anything very stupid, etc. + Show Spoiler [questions from page 1] + What is your budget? ~$1k What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? I don't have many new games... being able to play and stream Skyrim on high would be nice Also, to play Dwarf Fortress at some reasonable FPS What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? develop software Do you intend to overclock? I'd like to keep the option open Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? no Do you need an operating system? I'll probably dual-boot Windows and Ubuntu Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I'll probably get another monitor (up to $200, maybe; it's included in the build above) If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. n/a What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. n/a, I guess Amazon is nice because I have Prime, so shipping is fast You're getting a z97 on a locked i5. Change that to h97 cause z97 will probably cost more on amazon | ||
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
On September 06 2015 17:42 IceHism wrote: You're getting a z97 on a locked i5. Change that to h97 cause z97 will probably cost more on amazon Good point, though I noticed that the Z97 (and H97) are significantly cheaper on Newegg, as is the power supply, and I got some weird "ShopRunner 2 day free shipping" on Newegg for the Z97 but not the H97 (which would be a $2 saving for 4-7 day standard shipping). so I'll just stick to the Z97. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
And this gen they jack up the price of K relative to the others. On the other hand, they separated CPU BCLK from that which goes to PCIe and so on, so will motherboards let people BCLK overclock on non-K chips? That would be something... The jacked up price isn't actually intel AFAIK but retailers responding to huge lack of supply. Many of them have not even got ANY 6700k's yet. You can't change bclk on non-k CPU's in any significant way, i saw an asus guy comment that it was locked down in some way that they couldn't change on their motherboards (probably raja on ocn) some pics from darkwizzie on OCN: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://cdn.overclock.net/4/42/42b2f687_Untiftled.png) ![[image loading]](http://cdn.overclock.net/2/20/20bfb2a1_Untiftled.png) | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-will-fully-implement-async-compute-via-driver-support.html | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On September 06 2015 20:00 Cyro wrote: The jacked up price isn't actually intel AFAIK but retailers responding to huge lack of supply. Many of them have not even got ANY 6700k's yet. You can't change bclk on non-k CPU's in any significant way, i saw an asus guy comment that it was locked down in some way that they couldn't change on their motherboards (probably raja on ocn) some pics from darkwizzie on OCN: + Show Spoiler + I haven't even seen retail prices. Just going by listed Intel prices, though when checking again it looks like I'm... wrong, but not completely crazy. I seemed to recall listed and street pricing of some K processors being closer. Going by list release prices on wikipedia: i5-2500 $205 i5-2500K $216 i7-2600 $294 i7-2600K $317 Keep in mind that clock speed is not quite the same between ____ and ____K. In any case, I was wrong that they jacked up the price this gen, but the spreads have widened since the start. I guess I never checked Haswell that carefully and actually never really looked at i7s as much either because most people and most builds don't get much out of them. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
also 7 years since the great hyperthreading for games debate began and it's just starting to be really relevant at all (though still miles away from cost effective) | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Difference between i7-2600 and i7-2600K is $23, or 7.8%. Difference between i7-6700 and i7-6700K is $36, or 11.9%. Difference between i5-2500 and i5-2500K is $11, or 5.4%. Difference between i5-6600 and i5-6600K is $30, or 14.1%. US inflation (CPI-U) between January 2011 and July 2015 (latest data) is 7.7% cumulative, for reference. The desktop Sandy Bridge quad core CPU die is 216 mm^2 on 32 nm. It was the second generation on 32 nm after Westmere. The desktop Skylake quad core CPU die is 122 mm^2 on 14 nm. It is the second generation on 14 nm after Broadwell. I don't really expect CPU prices to scale with an overall inflation measure, just with what people are willing to pay. But with the shrinking dies, it certainly seems more profitable for Intel. Plus, as was the main point, they seem to be creeping up the costs of K chips because enthusiasts don't have an alternative and are willing to pay for them. Or do they, if BCLK overclocking is available and works well on locked chips? They have the lower nominal TDPs too, but do boards allow power and current limits to be overridden? edit: and you don't even get a stock cooler with the Skylake K chips!  | ||
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Kupon3ss
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
the no stock cooler thing is silly. Then again, on that subject they're using ridiculous stock voltages! People are literally dropping power consumption by 40 watts by undervolting them at stock speeds. >1.3v for 4ghz? There's no reason for it; Haswell does it on 1.1v and Skylake is at least similar. Or do they, if BCLK overclocking is available and works well on locked chips? You can't change bclk on non-k CPU's in any significant way, i saw an asus guy comment that it was locked down in some way that they couldn't change on their motherboards (probably raja on ocn) | ||
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Soft`Soap
Canada865 Posts
It's been a couple of years since TL (and specially skyR) helped me build my first computer that I am still gaming on! However, now I need help on a computer fit for a completely different purpose and I was hoping TL could help out as well! I intend to use this PC primarily for day trading and the occasional video recording, I'll play a bit of music as well, and the usual internet browsing and e-mail. I will not play games on this so I'm not concerned about my performance on games, but I do want this to be able to handle up to 6 monitors in the near future (next 8 months). I'm told that the future trading platform I use will be multi threaded, if that changes anything lol. Here's my build so far. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($399.98 @ NCIX) Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($189.99 @ NCIX) Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Red 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($59.95 @ NCIX) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX) Storage: Toshiba Product Series:DT01ACA 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ NCIX) Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 960 4GB Video Card ($309.99 @ NCIX) Case: Thermaltake VM30001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ NCIX) Power Supply: Antec HCG M 850W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ NCIX) Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ NCIX) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($119.99 @ NCIX) Monitor: BenQ GW2255 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($134.99 @ NCIX) Monitor: BenQ GW2255 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($134.99 @ NCIX) Monitor: BenQ GW2255 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($134.99 @ NCIX) Total: $1807.82 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-06 14:25 EDT-0400 Any thoughts? I'm assuming I'll need to buy a 2nd video card for when I move up past 3 monitors, any way I can avoid that? Thanks for your help. -SoftSoap | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On September 07 2015 03:33 Soft`Soap wrote: Hey guys! It's been a couple of years since TL (and specially skyR) helped me build my first computer that I am still gaming on! However, now I need help on a computer fit for a completely different purpose and I was hoping TL could help out as well! I intend to use this PC primarily for day trading and the occasional video recording, I'll play a bit of music as well, and the usual internet browsing and e-mail. I will not play games on this so I'm not concerned about my performance on games, but I do want this to be able to handle up to 6 monitors in the near future (next 8 months). I'm told that the future trading platform I use will be multi threaded, if that changes anything lol. Here's my build so far. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($399.98 @ NCIX) Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($189.99 @ NCIX) Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Red 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($59.95 @ NCIX) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX) Storage: Toshiba Product Series:DT01ACA 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ NCIX) Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 960 4GB Video Card ($309.99 @ NCIX) Case: Thermaltake VM30001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ NCIX) Power Supply: Antec HCG M 850W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ NCIX) Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ NCIX) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($119.99 @ NCIX) Monitor: BenQ GW2255 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($134.99 @ NCIX) Monitor: BenQ GW2255 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($134.99 @ NCIX) Monitor: BenQ GW2255 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($134.99 @ NCIX) Total: $1807.82 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-06 14:25 EDT-0400 Any thoughts? I'm assuming I'll need to buy a 2nd video card for when I move up past 3 monitors, any way I can avoid that? Thanks for your help. -SoftSoap Since you're using a locked i7, you can probably go with a cheaper H97 mobo (which can't do overclocking) instead of the Z97 mobo. Depending on your needs it might be worth it to upgrade to a 1 gb HDD since they're not much more expensive than 500mb ones. You do not need an 850W PSU. You probably need like a 450W PSU since your CPU, MOBO, and GPU will each eat up about 100W. Maybe a bit more if I'm misunderstanding how much power a 960 eats. If you're planning to add a second GPU later a bigger PSU may be appropriate but I can't possibly imagine you needing an 850W PSU Are you sure you need an optical drive or can't cannibalize one from an old computer? Unless the one you have lying around is so old it's a PATA instead of SATA drive, you should be able to use that. Overall, it looks like you're slightly underspending on your Video card relative to your CPU. If your goal is maximum performance without getting bottlenecked on high-end games, typically you want to be spending ~30-50% more on your GPU than your CPU. A GTX 960 is a fine card for a cheaper setup but it's definitely a big bottleneck right now. I use a slightly cheaper CPU than you do (an unlocked haswell i5) with a $400 GPU and I think that balance was about right. In any case, it's up to you to determine what you want to do. If you're planning on adding a second GPU, you're probably better off instead having one good GPU unless you're planning on spending like $700+ on your GPU setup, in terms of price-performance. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Overall, it looks like you're slightly underspending on your Video card relative to your CPU. If your goal is maximum performance without getting bottlenecked on high-end games It's not. I will not play games on this | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On September 07 2015 05:45 Cyro wrote: 100 watts is about right for a 960 at full load. Maybe not ideal GPU choice though - some GPU's can output to 6 screens alone. It's not. ah yeah in that case spending more on cpu is appropriate | ||
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mantequilla
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