EPTI swapped out my cooler for the Corsair H100i.
I also changed the memory to 1866 cas latency 8.
I did take a look at the Bitfenix Prodigy, and it looks pretty sweet. I'll think a little more on that one.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rfZJ4D
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Jayde
Marshall Islands104 Posts
I swapped out my cooler for the Corsair H100i. I also changed the memory to 1866 cas latency 8. I did take a look at the Bitfenix Prodigy, and it looks pretty sweet. I'll think a little more on that one. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rfZJ4D | ||
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Vallelol
Germany1046 Posts
I'm looking to buy a new PC after having my old one for about 4 years: What is your budget? 800-900€ (if it ends up being 950 and I get way better cost effectiveness, it's fine as well) What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 and 1680x1050 on the second screen What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Dota 2, CS:GO, Diablo 3, Path of Exile, some new RPGs once in a while, but usually not the most perfomance hungry games For the listed games I would like to play everything on the highest settings What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Nothing perfomance hungry, just office / watching twitch/netflix etc. Do you intend to overclock? no Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? no Do you need an operating system? no Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? no If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Nvidia GPU and Intel CPU What country will you be buying your parts in? Germany If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Best case would be to buy everything at alternate, so I can use their PC building service (doesn't count towards budget) Additional information I have a 128GB SSD left from my current setup which I can use for the new build. Old build, which I was very satisfied with + Show Spoiler + N570GTX Twin Frozr III PE/OC Intel Core™ i5-2500K Thermaltake Berlin 630W Asrock Z68 Pro3 Corsair DIMM 8 GB DDR3-1333 Kit Would like to use the build for at least 2 1/2 years Thanks for helping! | ||
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mantequilla
Turkey781 Posts
I think a simple GPU upgrade may bring much performance to your old build. Other parts are not that outdated to run those games you asked. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Edit: Does anyone know of a good target temperature for a 24/7 skylake overclock? I'm unsure of the limits of these new processors, I haven't overclocked since my old first generation i5, the 760.. 80c or so after a sustained load with something like x264 --- @Vallelol as said above, new CPU is ~25% faster than a 2500k when everything is overclocked for games. New GPU is way way more - http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1444?vs=1496 | ||
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mantequilla
Turkey781 Posts
On August 28 2015 02:55 BaBaUTZ wrote: Hey, im about to get a new machine in the next weeks and i would like some hints on what to buy  What is your budget? about 1200 EUR (can go to about 1500 if there is a noticable speed bump) What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Modern AAA titles on high/highest settings What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? i would like to stream Do you intend to overclock? yes (moderate OC for daily use, but probably not immediatly) Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? no Do you need an operating system? yes, Win10 Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? no If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. i favor nvidia for gpu What country will you be buying your parts in? germany If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. none, however if there is a retailer that also builds the pc and does the cable managment for a reasonable fee that would be great (i can build on my own, im just lazy :p, ind my wiring tends to get messy) some thoughts on my end: CPU: skylake, im unsure if i5 or i7. I guess 8 core consoles means multicore support will be more important in the future? I7 would not fit in my 1200 EUR budget, but as i said, im flexible if the gains are worth it. CPU Cooler: I have no idea ... in my old E6750 rig (yes it lasted till this day!)i had a a huge cooler from Zalman, it was quiet even after OCing, i would like something like that again GPU: I think a 980 is a good buy, but i have no idea which one. The Palit GeForce GTX 980 Super JetStream was recommended on a german hardware page because it combines a good price tag, good speed and cooling. Oh and i hate coil whine, so i would like a card that doesnt have that. Case: No idea, my old cases always were quite cheap, but i would like to change that. So a reasonable priced case with good quality/cooling and maybe noise dampening would be nice Motherboard: I always had gigabyte boards and i was quite happy with them (except for the one time i needed easy tune and it almost killed my OS). I only need a basic motherboard that supports OCing and lets me control the fan speeds. No fancy extras needed. RAM: I read that ddr4 3000 is at a pretty good price point right now. HDD/SSD: 256 or 512 gb SSD and a standard HDD Thank you for your help just bringing this to new page | ||
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BaBaUTZ
Germany146 Posts
1 x Seagate Desktop HDD 2TB, SATA 6Gb/s (ST2000DM001) 1 x Crucial BX100 250GB, SATA (CT250BX100SSD1) 1 x Intel Core i7-6700K, 4x 4.00GHz, boxed ohne Kühler (BX80662I76700K) 1 x G.Skill RipJaws 4 rot DIMM Kit 16GB, DDR4-2800, CL16-16-16-36 (F4-2800C16D-16GRR) 1 x Palit GeForce GTX 980 Super JetStream, 4GB GDDR5, DVI, Mini HDMI, 3x Mini DisplayPort (NE5X980H14G2J) 1 x MSI Z170A PC Mate (7971-001R) 1 x LG Electronics BH16NS40 schwarz, SATA, retail (BH16NS40.AUAR10B) 1 x Noctua NH-U14S 1 x Antec P100 (0761345-81100-2) 1 x Corsair CS Series Modular CS550M 550W ATX 2.4 (CP-9020076-EU/CP-9020076-UK) 1 x Microsoft: Windows 10 Home 64Bit, DSP/SB (deutsch) (PC) (KW9-00146) | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
I am still not sure, wether an I7 over I5 is useful for streaming while gaming. There are bazillions of opinions but no benchmarks that specifically test gaming performance while streaming Depends on the game, but tl;dr = if you're using CPU to encode and not GPU and the game will be CPU bound while benefitting from 4-5+ cores, it's more likely to help. If it's something like sc2, you'll likely see that FPS does not change at all between a 6600k or 6700k, streaming or no streaming - especially at lower resolutions, like 720p60/1080p30 970 and 980ti are usually better buys than 980. 970 is partially disabled 980, while 980ti is a badly named completely different chip that's way better than both. Performance is approximately 970 < 980 << 980ti. The price of that graphics card is ~520 euros, you can get good 970's for 330 in germany - so it's paying ~55-60% more for about 20% more performance and 14% more VRAM, while still using the same GPU chip and not the high end one. these PSU's are better at those prices but not modular: 970: http://de.pcpartpicker.com/part/super-flower-power-supply-sf450p14xehx 980ti: http://de.pcpartpicker.com/part/super-flower-power-supply-sf550p14xehx IDK if the z170a PC Mate is any good, the PC Mate was like the lowest end MSI haswell board that was unlocked Also the case - that looks like a box. Just a box with no focus on airflow, so not good for overclocking and high end GPU's. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
980ti is slightly disabled gm200 (22/24 SMM, everything else intact) with 6GB of VRAM 980 is full gm204 (16 SMM) with 4GB VRAM 970 is partially disabled gm204 (13/16 SMM, some cache/ROP's disabled, 3.5GB of VRAM usable) | ||
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BaBaUTZ
Germany146 Posts
On August 31 2015 20:52 Cyro wrote: Depends on the game, but tl;dr = if you're using CPU to encode and not GPU and the game will be CPU bound while benefitting from 4-5+ cores, it's more likely to help. If it's something like sc2, you'll likely see that FPS does not change at all between a 6600k or 6700k, streaming or no streaming - especially at lower resolutions, like 720p60/1080p30 970 and 980ti are usually better buys than 980. 970 is partially disabled 980, while 980ti is a badly named completely different chip that's way better than both. Performance is approximately 970 < 980 << 980ti. The price of that graphics card is ~520 euros, you can get good 970's for 330 in germany - so it's paying ~55-60% more for about 20% more performance and 14% more VRAM, while still using the same GPU chip and not the high end one. these PSU's are better at those prices but not modular: 970: http://de.pcpartpicker.com/part/super-flower-power-supply-sf450p14xehx 980ti: http://de.pcpartpicker.com/part/super-flower-power-supply-sf550p14xehx IDK if the z170a PC Mate is any good, the PC Mate was like the lowest end MSI haswell board that was unlocked Also the case - that looks like a box. Just a box with no focus on airflow, so not good for overclocking and high end GPU's. Thank you for your advice .Sc2 is not a huge priority for me, and since 100€ more is not a lot relative to the price of the whole system, i guess i will take the i7. I would consider streaming with nvenc and instead get an i5, but i heard streaming with nvenc is not recommended when you play games with fast motions like FPS. GPU: Im not too fond of the 970 because of the vram issues. I really dont want to run into microstutter issues because of this in the future. I strongly considered the 980ti, but i figured it is maybe a bit overkill for my resolution. The price/performance ratio seems to be on par with the 980. A good 980ti seems to be about 20% faster at a 20% higher pricepoint. PSU: 10€ difference is not much, the superflower got some flack for not passing the gold test in a review i read, also cable management is nice ...i guess? Board: There are like no reviews of skylake boards at all, so i just took the first board thats not too expensive and has good user reviews on geizhals.de. Until now i always took the "budget" versions of OC-Mainboards and it worked well for my moderate ocing. However im open to suggestions. Case: That box actually has the best cooling performance of all tested mid-towers according to pc games hardware. I dont know how trustworthy their cooling tests are tho. According to them, only big towers offer better cooling (see below). dl.dropboxusercontent.com | ||
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
I got the regular ASUS z170-a board, it was in a sweet spot in price/performance imo. It's not budget but you don't pay for a lot of bells and whistles of the more expensive boards either. It's great, just make sure to get the latest BIOS because on the default one it wouldn't utilize the Turbo frequencies of the 6700k. I agree with Cyro in that you shouldn't cheap out too much on motherboards, there's cheap and then there's cheap for a reason. I'm not sure about P100 cases but Antec has some great cases in the P series(P182 comes to mind) so I'm sure it's fine. Speaking of turbo frequencies, I just got the latest bios and my CPU finally is hitting 4200mhz at all times when gaming whereas before it was just doing the non-turbo 4000mhz which I would assume was a bug with the original bios the board came with. Nice with a little extra performance without overclocking (: | ||
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BaBaUTZ
Germany146 Posts
On September 01 2015 04:22 Firkraag8 wrote: @BaBaUTZ: I got the regular ASUS z170-a board, it was in a sweet spot in price/performance imo. It's not budget but you don't pay for a lot of bells and whistles of the more expensive boards either. It's great, just make sure to get the latest BIOS because on the default one it wouldn't utilize the Turbo frequencies of the 6700k. I agree with Cyro in that you shouldn't cheap out too much on motherboards, there's cheap and then there's cheap for a reason. I'm not sure about P100 cases but Antec has some great cases in the P series(P182 comes to mind) so I'm sure it's fine. Speaking of turbo frequencies, I just got the latest bios and my CPU finally is hitting 4200mhz at all times when gaming whereas before it was just doing the non-turbo 4000mhz which I would assume was a bug with the original bios the board came with. Nice with a little extra performance without overclocking (: I investigated a bit and read some stuff about overclocking and power supply and phases. I also found a pretty convincing review of your board and it isnt that expensive. So fuck it, you convinced me. Asus z170-a it is! Im about to order now, thank you for your advice Cyro and Firkraag8 . | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
The price/performance ratio seems to be on par with the 980. A good 980ti seems to be about 20% faster at a 20% higher pricepoint. 980ti is ~35-40% faster than 980. If you're seeing less, you're probably looking at low clock speeds on the 980ti's. 3.5GB vs 4GB VRAM is only +14.3%, while a 980ti would be +71.4% VRAM. You'll probably be limited with both 3.5GB and 4GB - or neither of them. The pricing structure just often doesn't represent the performance gap. 970 and 980 are sister GPU's of similar performance yet priced a mile apart - the 980ti is quite highly dominant over both yet not at a huge premium sometimes. the superflower got some flack for not passing the gold test in a review i read Old version was fairly close on efficiency stats but excellent everywhere else - http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=250 you likely read a review for the golden green, not golden green HX which is a different unit. The link above is first revision, not the new one. They're good 450w units though, better than the cheaper corsair ones. | ||
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
Nvidia's latest cards lacks support for what seems like the critical DX12 feature 'asynchronous compute', which is most likely the reason why Ashes of Singularity benchmarks was as much in favor of AMD as it was. | ||
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BaBaUTZ
Germany146 Posts
On September 01 2015 11:22 Cyro wrote: 980ti is ~35-40% faster than 980. If you're seeing less, you're probably looking at low clock speeds on the 980ti's. 3.5GB vs 4GB VRAM is only +14.3%, while a 980ti would be +71.4% VRAM. You'll probably be limited with both 3.5GB and 4GB - or neither of them. The pricing structure just often doesn't represent the performance gap. 970 and 980 are sister GPU's of similar performance yet priced a mile apart - the 980ti is quite highly dominant over both yet not at a huge premium sometimes. Lets assume you convinced me, would the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Ti Gaming G1 be a good buy? It seems like a good compromise between price, performance and OC potential. @Firekraag8 I have to say i am seriously confused on what to buy now. So far there is only one game that is that heavily AMD favored. If in two years my 520€ or even 680€ card gets beaten by a 400€ 390x in every other major title i would be a sad puppy. But we cant say how important this feature is gonna be, can we? Maybe its just very important in this specific title, and others use it, but the performance gain isnt as drastic. | ||
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
One option would be to get a 970 today, which still afaik plays all current games maxed out @60fps and then upgrade when Nvidia releases their next line of cards in the future. A 970 costs about half of a 980Ti right? So you could spend the money you save there when it's needed and DX12 is more established. Usually people recommend either a 970 or a 980Ti because they hit a better place in price/performance than the regular 980. I don't know how this Maxwell DX12 thing will play out, I would still like to hear Nvidia address this issue before drawing too many conclusions myself.. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
@BaBaUTZ: One option would be to get a 970 today, which still afaik plays all current games maxed out @60fps Depending on your definition of maxed out, either a stock reference 970 maxes out everything or an overclocked 980ti (twice as fast) does not. I'm not saying BUY THE BEST 11!!!1!1!11!! but to lean more heavily towards 970 or 980ti rather than 980, depending on what you want the GPU to do. 970 for budget, 980ti for power - the middle ground in this case is quite bad Lets assume you convinced me, would the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Ti Gaming G1 be a good buy? It seems like a good compromise between price, performance and OC potential. Yes  @Firkraag8 i've been following the ashes debate. It seems that GCN does have the potential to benefit a lot from async compute, especially in the way that can be done with new nitrous engine and API's. That could inflate the relative FPS/$ and put 390x/FuryX ahead of 980/980ti. However i think it's important to note that the benefits here are relevant when GPU bound, while the main draw for me of dx12 vs dx11 and previous API's is reduced CPU load, allowing for higher FPS with any given CPU. The ashes tests in question were all GPU bound (aside from AMD dx11 numbers where driver/API performance was so bad, it limited the game to a very low FPS), that is to say they were assuming you wanted to keep all of those graphical settings on and play at 20-40fps instead of lowering them or buying a better graphics card to play at a higher framerate like 60 or 100 in that scenario. The extent of dx12 performance differences (cpu bound, gpu bound) are not clear, well explored or even ready for the public - the Ashes tests following the reviewers guide do not explore CPU limited performance, therefore the nvidia dx11 and dx12 performance is the same or even slightly degraded under dx12. Windows 10 and graphics drivers relating to wddm2.0 and dx12 are still very much in an alpha/beta state, regardless of the conclusions made today. I think Async compute has the potential to raise GPU bound performance but it's highly engine specific - it might give you a 20% FPS boost on one game and a 2% boost on another, or even more extreme changes with an engine designed specifically to use and abuse it. Nvidia claiming to support async compute but not having support in a useful way is a problem, "4GB VRAM" all over again only this time affecting their entire lineup. There has been so much circlejerking complete with articles that have clickbait titles on news sites quoting random users from sites like OCN who post speculative comments - so i'm not reading every comment there. I find discussions like that very annoying compared to more serious tech talk. The official Oxide comments here - http://www.overclock.net/forums/posts/by_user/id/473364 - were a very nice read. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
NVIDIA and possibly DirectX 12 fail. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
I must say that the VR stuff is at least partially bullshit (that was brought up on OCN too in the ashes thread for some reason) because the latencies mentioned are wrong. One example was ~10ms latency with AMD system on Oculus. That's impossible because it runs @90hz which means the screen refresh alone causes 11.1ms of latency that is not bypassable, assuming an infinitely fast GPU, CPU, OS and driver. 50ms was quoted for nvidia, minus ~10ms from driver/OS work ("and 4ms from GPU"). They got to a final figure of 36ms there. That's simply too slow. We already see latencies consistently in the 15-25ms region on 144hz, before these driver/OS latency optimizations and other stuff - there will be a ~4ms penalty dropping to 90hz but the optimizations possible should be at least around that much. Therefore i think there's no way in hell AMD has 10ms headmovement-to-screen latency and also that there's no way in hell nvidia will be taking >>30ms. My realistic expectations are around 15-20ms, though there could be some variance and/or a significant advantage for one side. We don't have all of the information at the moment and people (especially on red side) are very quick these last few years to jump on stuff like this without the proper understanding and testing, i try to stay at least scientific about it  | ||
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
On September 02 2015 02:58 Cyro wrote: 970 for budget, 980ti for power - the middle ground in this case is quite bad. Yeah that was basically what i said as well, the GTX980 has lost a lot of it's value today compared to when they were released. At this point however I don't think it's a terrible idea to spend less and see what's coming next year if you're not comfortable with what a 980Ti costs. Also on the other subject, Nvidia has imo a very strong team that does their software so once DX12 becomes more relevant it might look very different and more equal in the end. I'm not throwing in the towel yet with the 980! Still would be nice to hear Nvidia address the issue asap. AMD has been very quick btw: http://i.imgur.com/Pgo0tbo.jpg lol.. :D | ||
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