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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 15:24:17
July 16 2015 13:36 GMT
#10181
Out it is. I'll just install windows etc first.

EDIT: First post from my new freshly assembled computer :D

All I'm waiting for now is the VGA to DVI converter to see if that works when I plug in my graphics card. Thanks for all the help guys!
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
July 16 2015 15:33 GMT
#10182
Congratulations! :D
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
July 16 2015 15:46 GMT
#10183
gz :D
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
July 16 2015 18:20 GMT
#10184
thank you thank you ^^, while I'm still somewhat of a damsel in distress, do you guys have any suggestions for tools or w/e that I can use to monitor cpu temp, voltage etc while in windows or in whatever program? I would feel more comfortable with some kind of way to check that nothing is melting down without me noticing...
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 18:32:49
July 16 2015 18:28 GMT
#10185
@Cyro
Do you have any opinions on getting a Xeon as a cheaper alternative to the I7 when you don't want to overclock? If you're going to get a dedicated gpu for gaming, the integrated graphics would be a bit wasted wouldn't it... It seems like esports games aren't likely to be reprogrammed so they will utilize DX12's integrated + dedicated usage.


On July 17 2015 03:20 B.I.G. wrote:
thank you thank you ^^, while I'm still somewhat of a damsel in distress, do you guys have any suggestions for tools or w/e that I can use to monitor cpu temp, voltage etc while in windows or in whatever program? I would feel more comfortable with some kind of way to check that nothing is melting down without me noticing...


There are tons
Speccy
cpu-z
speedfan
etc.

Just getting like 1 or 2 of them is fine.

Also, you can monitor temps and even adjust fan speed using the software that goes along with your motherboard (if you choose to install it)
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
July 16 2015 18:43 GMT
#10186
Yeah I'm actually hoping to use the one that came with my mobo but i have no clue where i can find it (i have a gigabyte z97x ud3h)..
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 18:46:26
July 16 2015 18:45 GMT
#10187
On July 17 2015 03:43 B.I.G. wrote:
Yeah I'm actually hoping to use the one that came with my mobo but i have no clue where i can find it (i have a gigabyte z97x ud3h)..


Did your mobo come with a CD? It should have drivers and software on it. Well mine did so I assume other brands have something like that as well.

Also, you can probably just find it by going on gigabyte's website and searching for your exact model.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 19:09:25
July 16 2015 19:08 GMT
#10188
On July 17 2015 03:20 B.I.G. wrote:
thank you thank you ^^, while I'm still somewhat of a damsel in distress, do you guys have any suggestions for tools or w/e that I can use to monitor cpu temp, voltage etc while in windows or in whatever program? I would feel more comfortable with some kind of way to check that nothing is melting down without me noticing...


www.hwinfo.com

gpu-z / msi afterburner

@Cyro
Do you have any opinions on getting a Xeon as a cheaper alternative to the I7 when you don't want to overclock?


-If- you want hyperthreading, it can be cheaper
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France2034 Posts
July 16 2015 20:54 GMT
#10189
ok guys right now I'm at
-MSI - Z97 GAMING 5
-Intel - Core i5 4690K
-MSI - GeForce GTX 980 Gaming Twin Frozr V - 4 Go
-Corsair - Vengeance Low Profile 2 x 8 Go PC12800 CAS 10
-Kingston - HyperX Fury SSD Series - 240 Go
-Seagate - Barracuda - 2 To SATA 6 Gb/s
-Cooler Master - G650M
-Be Quiet! - Pure Rock

What's the bottleneck for this build, where do I need to spend less, and where do I need to spend more ?
geiko.813 (EU)
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
July 17 2015 00:52 GMT
#10190
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mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
July 17 2015 01:03 GMT
#10191
^^ just tape it inside case somewhere.
Age of Mythology forever!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-17 01:23:04
July 17 2015 01:16 GMT
#10192
I didn't know I needed an adapter to store my SSD properly


You want one, don't need one

some cases have places to put a 2.5" drive, others you can tie/velcro it somewhere or even just leave it hanging if you're not moving the system. Usually a 3.5" to 2.5" bay adapter is not really needed, though some people use them

What's the bottleneck for this build, where do I need to spend less, and where do I need to spend more ?


Depends on the game, graphics settings, resolution and FPS targets, as well as what you're doing in the game etc. "Bottleneck" changes alll of the time and it's not something that you can just assess from a specs list.

CPU tends to be important for maintaining FPS that you want, while GPU lets you turn up resolution and most graphics settings. Most CPU bound games don't scale well (or even at all) onto >4 cores though, so nothing available really faster than a 4690k (until next gen in 3 weeks)

you're probably better off with a 970 (to save money) or a 980ti (to have a card near flagship performance). The 980 has had some price drops but it's still probably at a bit of an awkward price point? It's probably in practice a bit under 20% faster than a 970 at the same clock speed, with 14.1% more VRAM usable.

roughly, 970 >> 980 >>>> 980ti. Ununtuitive but aparantly nobody wants easily understood hardware names



you should probably get faster RAM since some games including sc2 benefit from it ~ 2133c9 or 2400c10 for example
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
July 17 2015 01:37 GMT
#10193
On July 17 2015 10:16 Cyro wrote:

roughly, 970 >> 980 >>>> 980ti. Ununtuitive but aparantly nobody wants easily understood hardware names



Easily understood hardware names makes it more difficult to re-brand last year's chips with modified boards or bios and claim it's the next revolution in gaming performance.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
July 17 2015 01:55 GMT
#10194
The 390x does actually perform like 10% better hue
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-17 01:59:58
July 17 2015 01:57 GMT
#10195
On July 17 2015 10:55 Kupon3ss wrote:
The 390x does actually perform like 10% better hue


There are a few things playing into that:

1; They handicapped drivers for 200 series, even though the silicon used is the same - magically raising tesselation performance for the rebranded GPU's during review time, but not the old ones in the same driver vers.
2; raised clock speeds out of the box (more "factory OC", just using some of the OC headroom that people already had)
3; more likely to maintain higher clockspeeds at stock due to some under the hood magic with power management
4; better VRAM on average

overall, it's better - but nowhere near enough to be called 390x, IMO. 290 still beats it price/performance and is within about ~10% for OC vs OC performance.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
July 17 2015 02:18 GMT
#10196
On July 17 2015 09:52 plasmidghost wrote:
I thought I had all the parts for my PC, and sure enough, I was forgetting one. I didn't know I needed an adapter to store my SSD properly, and now I have to go find one

Just let it sit on the floor of the case for now and get something like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16848035577 (velcro that adheres one side to case, one side to SSD). I've had my SSDs mounted on the back of motherboard tray for a few years now and have moved twice since then with no issues, still holding on strong.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-17 02:20:53
July 17 2015 02:20 GMT
#10197
Upgrade

What is your current build?
My current build:
      CPU: i5-4690k
      GPU: MSI R9 280x
      HSF: CM 212 Evo
      Memory: Vulcan 2x8 1600
      Motherboard: ASRock Z97 "Fatal1ty Killer"
      SSD: Samsung 840 Evo 240gb
      HD: Seagate Barracuda 2TB
      Case: Rosewill Thor V2
      PSU: Corsair RM 650

What is your monitor's native resolution? Three monitors.
The main one is Dell U2312M (1920x1200@60hz) -- games happen here.
Secondary monitor is Dell 2407WFPb (1680x1050@60hz) -- typically vertical rather than horizontal
Third monitor is an ancient Viewsonic that supports DVI (1280x1024)

Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade? I want to upgrade the computer's graphics card sometime in the next year. The R9 280x is great, but I bought it used from a friend, and it's started to develop some problems. I plan to move it to another computer and get something better for this. I'd like to have enough muscle to do stuff like run Witcher III on high or ultra settings, play a game stretched across three monitors, or play games at 144hz in the future when I upgrade monitors, so I'm willing to move beyond normal ranges of price-performance.

What is your budget? ~$600. I'll spend more on a GPU if I need to, but I was hoping to keep this in that range. Power budget might be more important, since I've only got a 650W PSU, crossfiring two power-hungry ATI GPUs might not be possible.

What country will you be buying your parts in? USA

If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify. Not really. If it doesn't make a big difference, I'd rather not have to uninstall and reinstall gfx drivers, but I'm fine switching to nvidia.


So the big thing is, I'm fine. I don't need to do this now. I'll wait a year or whatever if needed, if there are new cards coming out for example. Should I be waiting around for a new generation from the manufacturers? Would that be a good strategy? Or will it be a while and should I just take what I can get now? Simply adding another R9 280X wouldn't do since this one is having problems. 2x R9 290 would probably draw too much power (it says they need 375W each >.>) so I'm not really sure what the strategy is here. Any thoughts?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-17 04:50:47
July 17 2015 03:32 GMT
#10198
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade? I want to upgrade the computer's graphics card sometime in the next year.


Come back next year then

GPU market changes a lot

2x 290 or Fury / FuryX is doable on a 650w PSU if it's good and has four pci-e power connectors, but can't OC them and it's not particularly wise. Near stock you'd see power figures like 240-280w per card under load.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-17 05:16:16
July 17 2015 05:15 GMT
#10199
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
July 17 2015 15:01 GMT
#10200
On July 17 2015 14:15 plasmidghost wrote:
I finally have everything put together, I go turn it on and the fans come on for half a second, then everything stops. What could I have done wrong?


Maybe you forgot one of the CPU power connections
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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