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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
BryanSC
Profile Joined October 2010
United States455 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-30 21:36:28
December 30 2013 01:15 GMT
#3461
What is your budget?
$600-700, maybe a little more than 700 but not much more.


What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080


What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Battlefield, Assassin's Creed, Arkham Origins, that's about as graphically intense as it will get

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
This is a build for my younger brother who is looking to get into PC. As long as it can run games reasonably well (high would be nice but if not, medium would be fine). No editing, streaming, or anything else that is taxing will be used on this computer.

Do you intend to overclock?
If possible, yes, but with this budget I'm not expecting to.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No

Do you need an operating system?
No

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No I do not need peripherals or monitors; we have those already.

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No requirements or preferences, as long as they are known to be reliable and perform well, that's all that is important to us.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
United States

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
No preference, so Newegg, TigerDirect, Amazon, or whomever ships in the United States is perfectly fine.
::Rhapsody
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada124 Posts
December 30 2013 03:07 GMT
#3462
is 600W enough for an i5 4670k at 4.0GHz and 2 760s ?

Specs: i5 4670k, EVGA 760 Superclocked OC, 600W corsair PSU, 8GB G.skill ripjaws ram,
LeperKahn
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Romania1848 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-30 03:46:00
December 30 2013 03:15 GMT
#3463
Looking for final touches on this build:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1461093
+
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2ssU1

Motherboard: MSI Z87-G55 LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

GPU: MSI Gaming N760 TF 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W

Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB - $135

Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk - $140
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM - $60

DVD/CD: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer - $17

-

I still need a case and a power supply. Recommendations would really help!
How does that newegg combo look? I think it is SLI ready, but if I don't plan on using that feature is it costing me extra? I'm worried I'm spending too much on the GPU in general. (That newegg deal just seemed so good the first time I looked at it.)
Is there anything else I'm missing?
CJ Entusman #14 • http://soundcloud.com/discodinosaur • https://discosaur.bandcamp.com/
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
December 30 2013 03:35 GMT
#3464
is 600W enough for an i5 4670k at 4.0GHz and 2 760s ?


That's basically an undervolted CPU. You'd have like 200w to spare
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
::Rhapsody
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada124 Posts
December 30 2013 04:11 GMT
#3465
On December 30 2013 12:35 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
is 600W enough for an i5 4670k at 4.0GHz and 2 760s ?


That's basically an undervolted CPU. You'd have like 200w to spare


I forgot to mention that I use the Asus Ai Suite to overclock it, and are you 100% sure that I'll have 200w to spare? I got told to upgrade PSU or to not OC to use SLI 760.
::Rhapsody
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada124 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-30 04:13:26
December 30 2013 04:13 GMT
#3466
On December 30 2013 12:15 LeperKahn wrote:
Looking for final touches on this build:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1461093
+
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2ssU1

Motherboard: MSI Z87-G55 LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

GPU: MSI Gaming N760 TF 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W

Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB - $135

Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk - $140
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM - $60

DVD/CD: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer - $17

-



I still need a case and a power supply. Recommendations would really help!
How does that newegg combo look? I think it is SLI ready, but if I don't plan on using that feature is it costing me extra? I'm worried I'm spending too much on the GPU in general. (That newegg deal just seemed so good the first time I looked at it.)
Is there anything else I'm missing?


TT Esports cases look really good, look them up, Cooler Master cases are also really cool, Rosewill has good cheap cases too.
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
December 30 2013 04:17 GMT
#3467
You can only pull at a max of 390w from 2x 760 (each card has a hard power limit of 195w) and a 4670k at 4Ghz is 95w max so that leaves over 100w for the rest of the system.

Keep in mind that you are going to have to loop synthetic benchmarks to even have a chance to come close to these power figures.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
December 30 2013 04:28 GMT
#3468
You pull like half as much power @4ghz at an expected voltage (~1.0-1.1v, maybe a hair above) than you do at a highish overclock, it's not 95w on i5
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
December 30 2013 04:52 GMT
#3469
Hey I'm looking to upgrade my ram on my desktop because I think the last power surge shorted one of my sticks of ram, but my system still runs on DDR2...

All I do is play leagues and watch movies on it, so I don't really feel like I need a major upgrade or a new system. I've never upgraded my desktop before though...what should I be looking for before I buy the RAM?
im deaf
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
December 30 2013 05:56 GMT
#3470
On December 30 2013 13:52 imBLIND wrote:
Hey I'm looking to upgrade my ram on my desktop because I think the last power surge shorted one of my sticks of ram, but my system still runs on DDR2...

All I do is play leagues and watch movies on it, so I don't really feel like I need a major upgrade or a new system. I've never upgraded my desktop before though...what should I be looking for before I buy the RAM?


In your case, either buy the cheapest ram possible at whatever amount you want or you have to replace most of your components (mobo, cpu, ram at the very least). Can your computer function for what you need with just 1 stick of ram? It seems like a gigantic waste of money to replace DDR2 ram right now.
Feel free to add me on steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/MagnusAskeland/
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
December 30 2013 06:20 GMT
#3471
I have 2x2gb ram and I used to be able to multitask leagues+firefox+spotify very cleanly before the power surge. Task manager is only showing 2gb of ram right now, so I'm hoping that's the problem. If it doesn't work, I'll just get a new system.. I'm hoping some of my friends have leftover DDR2 ram lying around somewhere
im deaf
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
December 30 2013 13:42 GMT
#3472
On December 30 2013 15:20 imBLIND wrote:
I have 2x2gb ram and I used to be able to multitask leagues+firefox+spotify very cleanly before the power surge. Task manager is only showing 2gb of ram right now, so I'm hoping that's the problem. If it doesn't work, I'll just get a new system.. I'm hoping some of my friends have leftover DDR2 ram lying around somewhere


Friends would be the best bet, DDR2 is stupidly expensive to try and buy these days.
ZeroReverse
Profile Joined September 2010
Bulgaria108 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-30 21:28:30
December 30 2013 21:12 GMT
#3473
Hello guys and gals. Its time for me to build an entirely new PC. I have pretty much decided on all of my components but the PSU and the CPU. I know I am ignoring the template, but my question is regarding specific products.

For CPU I am split between an FX 8320, Core I5 4670k and Xeon E3-1230V3(this one wont be OCed). The computer will be used for SC2, Diablo 3, streaming and programming and maybe some video editing. Im pretty sure all of those would work well enough, but still which one would be the better choice. Both would be overclocked and paired with an HD7870 graphics card.

For power supply I can chose between the following models: Fractal Design Integra R2 750w, Cooler Master GX 650w, FORTRON FSP700-50ARN, FORTRON AURUM S 600, CORSAIR CX600 , CORSAIR VS650. I know I have listed quite a lot of models, but choosing the PSU was always the hardest part of making a build for me. Could you please tell me which 3-4 of those are best with regard of reliability and future upgrades(I wont be doing crossfire or sli most probably)?

Edit: added Xeon E3-1230V3, I forgot to do so at first, T_T
Ragnarok shall befall you!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
December 30 2013 21:25 GMT
#3474
4670k is preferable if budget allows for it (and for sc2 there's not really a choice because FX requires multithreaded workloads to keep up in performance) and any of those PSU's would serve you ok and have a ton of unused wattage (especially with haswell cpu), i'll let someone else pick 1-2 out
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 30 2013 21:31 GMT
#3475
i5-4670k would be a whole lot better for SC2.

All of the power supplies are at wattages more like what you would get if you would run Crossfire. Of those, the Aurum S is not that great, but the others are pretty mediocre at best and maybe shouldn't be distinguished that much, and you should straight-up avoid the Corsair VS as it's definitely worse. Also if you go i5-4670k then CPU power consumption, especially when overclocked, would be a lot lower. You're picking k so you can overclock, right?

Isn't there anything better that's cheaper (and lower wattage is fine)? e.g. Seasonic SSR-450RM
ZeroReverse
Profile Joined September 2010
Bulgaria108 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-30 23:25:28
December 30 2013 21:41 GMT
#3476
Yes I will 100% oc if I get the I5. I can get a Seasonic SS-520GB, but it is at most 5-7$ cheaper than those listed above. Regarding the cpu, what do you think about Xeon E3-1230V3? Its basically I7 without the integrated graphics (which I dont really need) and it is within my price range.

Edit: between fx8320 and the i5 4670k, which is better for streaming SCII while retaining better fps in big battles (I suspect the i5 wins)?
Ragnarok shall befall you!
LeperKahn
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Romania1848 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-30 23:57:39
December 30 2013 23:48 GMT
#3477
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2sWmg

What do you think of this build? Anything glaring?

also this monitor

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236335
CJ Entusman #14 • http://soundcloud.com/discodinosaur • https://discosaur.bandcamp.com/
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 31 2013 00:49 GMT
#3478
Nothing glaring but you can get a Capstone 450-M for $60: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261 and a Define R4 for $70: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=75045&promoid=1051
BryanSC
Profile Joined October 2010
United States455 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-31 01:46:33
December 31 2013 01:34 GMT
#3479
So I haven't really followed up on AMD and Intel since Sandy Bridge, but I tried coming up with a build here (I kind of stole it off the opening post, few changes). Please let me know if there's some things that can be swapped out.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2sZy0

Again, I already have peripherals, OS, and monitor, and this computer is for my brother who will mainly be just gaming, medium settings most likely, and no streaming, video editing, etc.

(Previous post describing build needs)
+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
$600-700, maybe a little more than 700 but not much more.


What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080


What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Battlefield, Assassin's Creed, Arkham Origins, that's about as graphically intense as it will get

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
This is a build for my younger brother who is looking to get into PC. As long as it can run games reasonably well (high would be nice but if not, medium would be fine). No editing, streaming, or anything else that is taxing will be used on this computer.

Do you intend to overclock?
If possible, yes, but with this budget I'm not expecting to.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No

Do you need an operating system?
No

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No I do not need peripherals or monitors; we have those already.

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No requirements or preferences, as long as they are known to be reliable and perform well, that's all that is important to us.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
United States

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
No preference, so Newegg, TigerDirect, Amazon, or whomever ships in the United States is perfectly fine.
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-31 01:50:33
December 31 2013 01:46 GMT
#3480
On December 31 2013 06:41 ZeroReverse wrote:
Yes I will 100% oc if I get the I5. I can get a Seasonic SS-520GB, but it is at most 5-7$ cheaper than those listed above. Regarding the cpu, what do you think about Xeon E3-1230V3? Its basically I7 without the integrated graphics (which I dont really need) and it is within my price range.

Edit: between fx8320 and the i5 4670k, which is better for streaming SCII while retaining better fps in big battles (I suspect the i5 wins)?


Would the Xeon be compatible with your motherboard? It's a LGA 1155, not LGA1150.

EDIT: NVM. Ignore this. Was looking at V2 not V3.
Feel free to add me on steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/MagnusAskeland/
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