EPTTeamliquid Monitor Thread - Page 30
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Laeon
France53 Posts
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Womwomwom
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Womwomwom
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I love the name, definitely won't confuse people. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
Also extremely annoyed that I can't find a solid solution for "forcing" an ICC profile to stay loaded when running games. Seems like such an obvious and common need. EDIT: But definitely big facepalm @ the XL2411T. I don't know what the hell these guys are thinking, or if they're thinking at all. And one more thing, how do they manage to deliver such terrible factory calibrations in general (on many, if not most, of their monitors that I've seen reviewed)? It almost seems like you'd have to try to get it that bad. | ||
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Womwomwom
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On October 12 2012 01:11 Myrmidon wrote: Is it in any way more similar to the XL2410T than the XL2420T? Price, features? I don't think so. It has all of Benq's modern features (black equaliser, 3d vision 2) and is even claiming 1ms panel response (ahahahahaha). The name is just confusing no matter how you slice it. Edit: About getting the icc profile to stick, look into LUT loaders. I believe most calibration tools come with software that forces icc profiles to be loaded at all times. I am not 100% certain but I'm sure calibration software does this. Maybe try this out...if you don't want I buy calibration tools. No idea if games will still fuck you up but try it out f you haven't already. | ||
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Shorty90
Germany154 Posts
What do you guys think of it, expecially considering it has "only" 1080p on 27"? I'd use it mostly for gaming. Edit: I've looked a little further and found this one: AOC i2757Fm It's a little more expensive but I really like the appearance. | ||
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Womwomwom
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Personally I think the design is awful but it does look pretty cool I have to admit. | ||
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untamed
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On October 19 2012 00:58 Shorty90 wrote: I'm thinking about buying this Monitor: AOC e2795Vh What do you guys think of it, expecially considering it has "only" 1080p on 27"? I'd use it mostly for gaming. Edit: I've looked a little further and found this one: AOC i2757Fm It's a little more expensive but I really like the appearance. Beware of some reviews for the e2795Vh, as it used to have a VA panel, but AOC switched to the cheaper TN panel without changing the model number. Here is a good detailed review of the TN panel version; http://www.digitalversus.com/lcd-monitor/aoc-e2795vh-tn-panel-p12038/test.html A few months ago I was looking at 27" monitors, I tried a few 1080p 27" monitors but I didn't like them that much, in the end I settled on 1 of the Korean IPS 27" 1440p monitors, they're a real bargain. Comparable to the Dell/HP 27" £500-600 monitors. | ||
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Womwomwom
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Laeon
France53 Posts
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Womwomwom
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
First, thank you Womwomwom for this very informative thread. I am currently looking for a monitor, and I have the following requirements. - 23" to 27" - matte - no need for 3D or 120hz - VGA input - monitor that is suitable both for work/web browsing and watching movies, so input lag does not matter too much, but nice black / dark grey shades are welcome. So far, I like : AOC i2353Ph from your list, HannSG HZ281HPB (cheap and good 27.5"), LG Flatron IPS226V (good specs and very cheap), LG Flatron IPS237L and IPS277L from that thread (good design and very thin bezel, but reviews are mixed) Dell Ultrasharp U2312HM from your list but 24" version. Any extra recommendation ? HannSG HZ281HPB is the only affordable and decent 27" monitor I found, but I am not sure to find it here. Thanks ! | ||
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Womwomwom
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Anyway, the LG IPS226V is pretty good if I'm thinking of the right one. The thin bezel LG monitors are hilarious in that the monitor advertisement art is a complete lie. What reviews say about it is completely right: bezel is still very noticeable and not as invisible as the advertisements would have you expect, default calibration doesn't seem great, and motion performance is pretty average for IPS. Its meant to be quite cheap, so you obviously can't have everything, but in the thread you linked, you said it was around $250-350? Prad has a review of one of the smaller models. Its in German but German machine translates fairly well into English. The biggest selling points are the price and IPS technology. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On October 26 2012 18:22 Womwomwom wrote: What are your prices exactly and where are you buying from? What options do you have in China? Anyway, the LG IPS226V is pretty good if I'm thinking of the right one. The thin bezel LG monitors are hilarious in that the monitor advertisement art is a complete lie. What reviews say about it is completely right: bezel is still very noticeable and not as invisible as the advertisements would have you expect, default calibration doesn't seem great, and motion performance is pretty average for IPS. Its meant to be quite cheap, so you obviously can't have everything, but in the thread you linked, you said it was around $250-350? Prad has a review of one of the smaller models. Its in German but German machine translates fairly well into English. The biggest selling points are the price and IPS technology. Hmmm I can find pretty much any Asian brand easily and cheap. Dell is very popular for businesses but that's all. European brands are a bit harder to find although the products are manufactured here anyway. IPS226 had a great review there http://www.digitalversus.com/lcd-monitor/lg-flatron-ips226v-p10192/test.html and is quite cheap. I guess I'll look for the HannsG, and if I can't find it I'll get the IPS226. AOC i2353Ph looks good too, but to be honest I had never heard of this brand before today, but I'm no monitor expert all so.. | ||
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Womwomwom
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One thing you might want to look out for is the monitor coating. Older IPS monitors typically have fairly thick antiglare coating that may make white backgrounds (this means PDF and word documents) sparkle at you. Some people can't stand it, others don't mind it. Might be worth checking out one of these monitors in person. Anyway, looking at the manufacturer's specs (doesn't mean anything) for the Hanns-G HZ281HPB, I definitely don't recommend it. The provided viewing angle spec (170/160) suggests its a TN panel and the provided contrast ratio value (800:1) suggests its a really, really old monitor. The fact its also 28" large means you're going to have problems with gamma shifting. This is exacerbated by the fact its an old TN monitor and not one of the, frankly quite decent, TN monitors. The AOC i2353Ph is OK too. AOC isn't really anything to write home about but IPS is IPS at the end of the day. Another option would be Philips. I remember some Chinese forum users reviewing one of the models so you should be able to find Philips in a store somewhere. They have some nice VA based monitors...the Philips 241P4QPYES has a solid design and performs quite well as monitor. Motion performance is only OK but the contrast (read: blacks) is miles above any TN or IPS based monitor. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On October 26 2012 22:11 Womwomwom wrote: Yes I recommend the LG IPS226V personally. Dell has good features and should come with top notch warranty (not enough good things can be said about Dell Ultrasharp aftermarket support) though if its a lot more expensive than the LG IPS226, then I wouldn't bother. One thing you might want to look out for is the monitor coating. Older IPS monitors typically have fairly thick antiglare coating that may make white backgrounds (this means PDF and word documents) sparkle at you. Some people can't stand it, others don't mind it. Might be worth checking out one of these monitors in person. Anyway, looking at the manufacturer's specs (doesn't mean anything) for the Hanns-G HZ281HPB, I definitely don't recommend it. The provided viewing angle spec (170/160) suggests its a TN panel and the provided contrast ratio value (800:1) suggests its a really, really old monitor. The fact its also 28" large means you're going to have problems with gamma shifting. This is exacerbated by the fact its an old TN monitor and not one of the, frankly quite decent, TN monitors. The AOC i2353Ph is OK too. AOC isn't really anything to write home about but IPS is IPS at the end of the day. Another option would be Philips. I remember some Chinese forum users reviewing one of the models so you should be able to find Philips in a store somewhere. They have some nice VA based monitors...the Philips 241P4QPYES has a solid design and performs quite well as monitor. Motion performance is only OK but the contrast (read: blacks) is miles above any TN or IPS based monitor. After checking other reviews, I found out that HZ281HPB was terrible to watch movies. I will definitely check out the 241P4QPYES, especially if you say it has nice blacks. Your advice about the coating is also very good, I will go to some sort of electronics mall to try them out. Thanks ! | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
However, I am facing a weird issue. I have some sort of vertical blur. By that I mean that if I draw a horizontal 1 pixel black line in MS Paint, it looks perfect. But if I draw a 1 pixel black vertical line the next two pixels on the right of the line looks grayish. I checked pitch and phase and it looks set up properly. The closest description of this issue I could find is http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/279662-33-strange-display-problem-blurred-display-vertical-strips and he solved the issue by changing the frequency. That actually seems to be the only setting left I have. Right now it's set to 60hz. | ||
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Nestala
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I have 2 DVI-I (Dual Link) ports in my graphic card, and a HDMI port from my mainboard. Can i simply plug the monitor into the HDMI port from my mainboard, or must I really plug that into my graphic card with a HDMI adapter? Also, do I lose performance when I use an adapter? Like, do I lose some ms, get more input lag or something? I use a NVidia GeForce GTX 560 Ti as graphic card, and a ASRock Z77Pro3 Intel Z77 So.1155 Dual Channel DDR3 ATX Retail as mainboard, if that important. Also, which monitor should I choose from the 2 above? Or maybe a complete other monitor? I appreciate every helping answer, thanks in advance! Cheers, Nestala | ||
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Womwomwom
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On October 27 2012 21:33 endy wrote: I got the Philips 241P4QPYES; it indeed got really nice blacks, it's 24 inches and cost me less than $300. However, I am facing a weird issue. I have some sort of vertical blur. By that I mean that if I draw a horizontal 1 pixel black line in MS Paint, it looks perfect. But if I draw a 1 pixel black vertical line the next two pixels on the right of the line looks grayish. I checked pitch and phase and it looks set up properly. The closest description of this issue I could find is http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/279662-33-strange-display-problem-blurred-display-vertical-strips and he solved the issue by changing the frequency. That actually seems to be the only setting left I have. Right now it's set to 60hz. Does it look like this? The problem is VGA if you're using VGA. Could be a ground loop problem and I don't really know a solution to such a problem except "don't use VGA". It could be the cable, the GPU, the laptop, the monitor itself...its impossible to say. If anyone tells you to use cheater plugs, tell them to fuck off. Using cheater plugs can be a very serious safety hazard. Edit: On October 28 2012 19:49 Nestala wrote: Hey everybody, I decided to buy a new 24" monitor next month. It's mostly for gaming & normal purposes, sometimes watching a movie/series online. If I understood correct, I should look for a TN or VA monitor, and since there aren't that much 24" monitors below ~250€ in the list, I came up with the BenQ GW2450HM 61 cm (24") LED Monitor (VA-Panel, VGA, DVI, HDMI, 4ms). I also found the Samsung SyncMaster S24B350H LED 61 cm (24") widescreen TFT-Monitor, (HDMI, VGA, 2ms) interesting. I have 2 DVI-I (Dual Link) ports in my graphic card, and a HDMI port from my mainboard. Can i simply plug the monitor into the HDMI port from my mainboard, or must I really plug that into my graphic card with a HDMI adapter? Also, do I lose performance when I use an adapter? Like, do I lose some ms, get more input lag or something? I use a NVidia GeForce GTX 560 Ti as graphic card, and a ASRock Z77Pro3 Intel Z77 So.1155 Dual Channel DDR3 ATX Retail as mainboard, if that important. Also, which monitor should I choose from the 2 above? Or maybe a complete other monitor? I appreciate every helping answer, thanks in advance! Cheers, Nestala First of all, your GPU has DVI ports. Connect whatever monitor you get to it with a DVI cable. Good monitor choices are in the OP. I don't really recommend VA for gaming because they're typically only OK at motion performance. Most 24" monitors aren't that much larger than 23" monitors so don't restrict yourself to that one size. Obvious solutions would be the Dell U2312HM (1920x1080) or U2412M (1920x1200). Another great option would be the Eizo EV2335W (1920x1080), which can be bought used for 225 Euros straight from Amazon Warehouse so you've got protection. You can find very indepth reviews for all of these monitors on Prad.de. | ||
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