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On October 28 2012 19:57 Womwomwom wrote:Edit: Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 19:49 Nestala wrote:
Hey everybody, I decided to buy a new 24" monitor next month. It's mostly for gaming & normal purposes, sometimes watching a movie/series online. If I understood correct, I should look for a TN or VA monitor, and since there aren't that much 24" monitors below ~250€ in the list, I came up with the BenQ GW2450HM 61 cm (24") LED Monitor (VA-Panel, VGA, DVI, HDMI, 4ms). I also found the Samsung SyncMaster S24B350H LED 61 cm (24") widescreen TFT-Monitor, (HDMI, VGA, 2ms) interesting.
I have 2 DVI-I (Dual Link) ports in my graphic card, and a HDMI port from my mainboard. Can i simply plug the monitor into the HDMI port from my mainboard, or must I really plug that into my graphic card with a HDMI adapter?
Also, do I lose performance when I use an adapter? Like, do I lose some ms, get more input lag or something?
I use a NVidia GeForce GTX 560 Ti as graphic card, and a ASRock Z77Pro3 Intel Z77 So.1155 Dual Channel DDR3 ATX Retail as mainboard, if that important.
Also, which monitor should I choose from the 2 above? Or maybe a complete other monitor?
I appreciate every helping answer, thanks in advance!
Cheers,
Nestala First of all, your GPU has DVI ports. Connect whatever monitor you get to it with a DVI cable. Good monitor choices are in the OP. I don't really recommend VA for gaming because they're typically only OK at motion performance. Most 24" monitors aren't that much larger than 23" monitors so don't restrict yourself to that one size. Obvious solutions would be the Dell U2312HM (1920x1080) or U2412M (1920x 1200). Another great option would be the Eizo EV2335W (1920x1080), which can be bought used for 225 Euros straight from Amazon themselves so you've got some protection here. You can find very indepth reviews for all of these monitors on Prad.de.
The thing is, I can only spent around ~250€, so the Eizo isn't an option for me.
My originally plan was that I get a bit larger monitor, that isn't to large. Right now I use an older 23", which I wanted to use as a secondary monitor together with the 24" as "main" monitor.
My fear is, that 1.) My desk could be a bit too small if I use a 27" + 23", and 2.) that I lose "focus" when playing games because the monitor is so huge/large. I play games like DotA 2 where it's important to keep an eye on the minimap.
I also guess that good/decent 27" monitors are too expensive for me right now with a budget around ~250 bucks.
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You can buy it used for 225 Euros unless they haven't included VAT and shipping.
A 27" monitor would probably be too big, especially if you sit close to your monitor. The recommendations I've provided (and in the OP) still hold...I don't think there is really anything else worth your money. The Benq is an option but really, really needs calibration badly (I know the OP entry for it is positive but I can't stress how bad the default calibration is).
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On October 28 2012 20:42 Womwomwom wrote:You can buy it used for 225 Euros unless they haven't included VAT and shipping.A 27" monitor would probably be too big, especially if you sit close to your monitor. The recommendations I've provided (and in the OP) still hold...I don't think there is really anything else worth your money. The Benq is an option but really, really needs calibration badly (I know the OP entry for it is positive but I can't stress how bad the default calibration is).
Oh sorry, must have overred that. Not that I think of it, it could probably be better if I buy another 23", so I have the advantage that they're both the same size, so no size problems when I use both together as extended desktop. I don't think I would have size problems anyways, but this way I'm sure. Also, I would have a bit more place on my desk, and more selection options when deciding for a monitor. Only disadvantage would be a missing inch or something, because I'm really happy with 23", if it only were a small bit larger, that's why I wanted a 24" because I think thats the largest size that isn't too big to lose focus or anything. Advice? Don't know if i should buy a 23" or 24" now :/.
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There's the Dell U2412M, which is 1920x1200 and not 1920x1080. Seems to be 2 Euros over your budget so shipping might put it overbudget but that's probably the only 24" monitor that isn't seriously flawed in one way or another.
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On October 28 2012 21:18 Womwomwom wrote:There's the Dell U2412M, which is 1920x1200 and not 1920x1080. Seems to be 2 Euros over your budget so shipping might put it overbudget but that's probably the only 24" monitor that isn't seriously flawed in one way or another.
Wouldn't I have problems with many games because they don't support this resolution?
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For consoles, yes. For PC games, mostly not. You may lose some field of view but 16:10 is still a fairly common aspect ratio for PCs.
Edit:
I forgot but games is actually not the problem here. I just remembered that Windows 8 is, strangely, not designed for 16:10 monitors. The snap feature (where you run two apps along each other within Metro UI) won't work with 16:10 devices.
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On October 28 2012 19:57 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 21:33 endy wrote:I got the Philips 241P4QPYES; it indeed got really nice blacks, it's 24 inches and cost me less than $300. However, I am facing a weird issue. I have some sort of vertical blur. By that I mean that if I draw a horizontal 1 pixel black line in MS Paint, it looks perfect. But if I draw a 1 pixel black vertical line the next two pixels on the right of the line looks grayish. I checked pitch and phase and it looks set up properly. The closest description of this issue I could find is http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/279662-33-strange-display-problem-blurred-display-vertical-strips and he solved the issue by changing the frequency. That actually seems to be the only setting left I have. Right now it's set to 60hz. Does it look like this? The problem is VGA if you're using VGA. Could be a ground loop problem and I don't really know a solution to such a problem except "don't use VGA". It could be the cable, the GPU, the laptop, the monitor itself...its impossible to say. If anyone tells you to use cheater plugs, tell them to fuck off. Using cheater plugs can be a very serious safety hazard.
Yes, it kinda looks like this. I am using VGA because that's all I can use with my laptop. I will try to update the display drivers, and I'll get a few extra cables at company tomorrow to make sure it's not the cable.
Because the OSD menu is perfectly clear, I don't think that it's the monitor itself, right ?
Thanks again for your advice.
Edit : tried it with my wife's laptop, and got the same issue, also using VGA. Will try more cables tomorrow.
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Why does the 7950 only have 1*dvi, 1* vga and 2* displayport? Shouldn't a high end card have more ports for more screens?
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Thanks for the advice, but I think I'll roll with an 23" monitor. Is the Dell U2312HM with IPS or TN? Or any other recommendation for a 23" besides the Dell or the Eizo? Prefered TN.
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On October 29 2012 00:04 RiSkyToss wrote:
Why does the 7950 only have 1*dvi, 1* vga and 2* displayport? Shouldn't a high end card have more ports for more screens?
Pretty sure it's 1 DVI+analog, 1 HDMI and 2 mini displayport. New graphics cards don't have VGA. Also, even high end cards don't typically have more than that, except a few select specialty cards specifically designed to run 6 monitors.
On October 29 2012 00:18 Nestala wrote:
Thanks for the advice, but I think I'll roll with an 23" monitor. Is the Dell U2312HM with IPS or TN? Or any other recommendation for a 23" besides the Dell or the Eizo? Prefered TN.
The U2312HM is IPS. I have 2 of them and I would recommend it over essentially any TN 60hz monitor, even for gaming.
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On October 29 2012 00:41 Djzapz wrote:
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The U2312HM is IPS. I have 2 of them and I would recommend it over essentially any TN 60hz monitor, even for gaming.
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Why's that?
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On October 29 2012 00:58 Nestala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 00:41 Djzapz wrote:
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The U2312HM is IPS. I have 2 of them and I would recommend it over essentially any TN 60hz monitor, even for gaming.
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Why's that?
Because the response time is quick enough that it doesn't make a difference for gaming, there's essentially no ghosting, the colors are vibrant and beautiful, and at least for me, I use 3 monitors so the great viewing angle is great to have. Things get ugly fast with TN panels if you're not right in front of it. Plus, the price is good. For $200 it's one of the best monitors you can get. Not sure how much they run in Germany, but over here they're a price/performance sweetspot.
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If motion performance is very important, I'd avoid anything not TN. It's something you have to see for yourself. IPS and even modern VA monitors with decent RTC are fast enough for most purposes (including games like DotA, definitely), but I think they'd disappoint some gamers playing something where field of view or objects are moving much much faster. That said, for reference, some tournaments are run on the Eizo monitors. I think the Eizo you're looking at was the FS2332? Also IPS / PLS, not TN.
Note that the input lag on the U2312HM is very low—it's just the pixel response time that's a little slower. If you want to see new information as soon as possible, they're faster in that regard than some TN monitors.
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On October 29 2012 00:04 RiSkyToss wrote:
Why does the 7950 only have 1*dvi, 1* vga and 2* displayport? Shouldn't a high end card have more ports for more screens?
DVI is a dying standard, and a single mini DP port has bandwidth for several monitors via daisy chaining. No enthusiast wants DVI anymore, or even HDMI for that matter.
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On October 29 2012 01:38 Myrmidon wrote:
If motion performance is very important, I'd avoid anything not TN. It's something you have to see for yourself. IPS and even modern VA monitors with decent RTC are fast enough for most purposes (including games like DotA, definitely), but I think they'd disappoint some gamers playing something where field of view or objects are moving much much faster. That said, for reference, some tournaments are run on the Eizo monitors. I think the Eizo you're looking at was the FS2332? Also IPS / PLS, not TN.
Note that the input lag on the U2312HM is very low—it's just the pixel response time that's a little slower. If you want to see new information as soon as possible, they're faster in that regard than some TN monitors.
So basically as long as I don't play some FPS game professional, I'm good to go with some IPS montor and especially the Dell U2312HM?
Edit: Now that I think of it, would be nice to have a TN and an IPS monitor, because I only play on one anyways, I will use the other secondary monitor for other thing such as surfing, watching a movie while gaming (you know, for some boring games where you farm stuff) etc. If the Dell is also good anyways, why not get him.
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On October 29 2012 01:59 Nestala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 01:38 Myrmidon wrote:
If motion performance is very important, I'd avoid anything not TN. It's something you have to see for yourself. IPS and even modern VA monitors with decent RTC are fast enough for most purposes (including games like DotA, definitely), but I think they'd disappoint some gamers playing something where field of view or objects are moving much much faster. That said, for reference, some tournaments are run on the Eizo monitors. I think the Eizo you're looking at was the FS2332? Also IPS / PLS, not TN.
Note that the input lag on the U2312HM is very low—it's just the pixel response time that's a little slower. If you want to see new information as soon as possible, they're faster in that regard than some TN monitors. So basically as long as I don't play some FPS game professional, I'm good to go with the DELL U2312HM or some other IPS?
I would say yes for the U2312HM specifically which I play twitch games on without any issues. I can't speak about other IPS panels but some of them are too "slow" for most gaming.
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The Dell ultrasharp is an excellent monitor for the cost. Gaming included. In its price range, its hard to do better.
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Darn.. After working OK for 1 and half months, my Shimian 27'" is having some major problems.
After being on for few minutes, it will quickly turn black (with the backlight and blue light still on, indicating that it is still receiving signal from GPU). If I turn it off and turn it back on, it usually comes back but goes black within minutes and, more often, seconds.
Anyone have this issue on a Korean 27" monitor (and hopefully resolved it?)
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On October 28 2012 21:20 Nestala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 21:18 Womwomwom wrote:There's the Dell U2412M, which is 1920x1200 and not 1920x1080. Seems to be 2 Euros over your budget so shipping might put it overbudget but that's probably the only 24" monitor that isn't seriously flawed in one way or another. Wouldn't I have problems with many games because they don't support this resolution?
If there's seriously games out there that don't support 1920x1200 then they are probably not even worth playing, just saying :p
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On October 29 2012 18:41 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 21:20 Nestala wrote:On October 28 2012 21:18 Womwomwom wrote:There's the Dell U2412M, which is 1920x1200 and not 1920x1080. Seems to be 2 Euros over your budget so shipping might put it overbudget but that's probably the only 24" monitor that isn't seriously flawed in one way or another. Wouldn't I have problems with many games because they don't support this resolution? If there's seriously games out there that don't support 1920x1200 then they are probably not even worth playing, just saying :p
You are posting on a site that was created because of a game running on 640x480 resolution, just saying..
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