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-Cyrus-
Profile Joined June 2011
United States318 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 05:49:11
December 17 2011 05:48 GMT
#1
The other day I purchased a steel series keyboard with cherry black switches and thus far I am a bit disappointed. The keys feel like they take too much force to press and I feel as though this has an effect on my apm. In the store, where I tested it, my first thought was that I'd get used to it. But unfortunately I just can't. It's just so uncomfortable when spamming different keys quickly.

I've read a lot of the guides on mechanical keyboards posted here and I know what the good models are, but I'd like to hear what other peoples experiences with different swolitch types have been, what they prefer for sc2, and why.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 05:50:44
December 17 2011 05:49 GMT
#2
Blue and Browns are fine. A lot of people will tell you that browns are the way to go but I really like the clicky feel of the blues, even when gaming.
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DjRetro
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Chile309 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 06:22:42
December 17 2011 05:53 GMT
#3
RED FTW! lol

Seriously, that's the reason why they cost more comparing with others. Although brown and blue are great switches too.
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-Cyrus-
Profile Joined June 2011
United States318 Posts
December 17 2011 05:58 GMT
#4
So is there a reason why no one reccomends black? Or have I pretty much covered it? So far thinking blue is the way to go.
LanTAs
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1091 Posts
December 17 2011 06:03 GMT
#5
Blues- have quite a light feel to them, takes 50g of force to actuate, gives a nice and crisp *click* once you past the actuation point, and also has a nice tactile bump along with it. Some people complain about blues since you cant "float" on them, meaning you can't just move your finger slightly up and down near the actuation point to spam the button. The release point however isn't too far above the actuation point, so it shouldn't be a problem.

Browns- Everything that a blue has except for a slightly lighter actuation force of 45g and is missing that nice and crisp *click* sound. Most people will point you toward these, although i would point you to the Blues instead. With the browns, you are able to float on it, although it shouldn't make too much of a difference.

Blacks- Linear force switches mean that they don't have a bump or any tactile response, and require more force to actuate them (70g to actuate). Most people say that these are hard to get used to if you don't have already forceful fingers and might cause fatigue, although after a few days those users who don't RMA them say that these are one of the best switches.

Red- Like browns, but without the bump. If you've tried and used a MX Brown keyboard like I have, you probably wanted to not have the bump in there at all since it makes the key feel a bit weird and i guess "sandy" in a way, because you would expect something to have such a low actuation force to be ultra smooth. Reds take away the bump and instead become something like Blacks but with 45G needed to actuate the key, and are usually considered as one of the rarest Cherry switches next to clears( these are sooo hard to find nowdays).

If i were you , i would grab a Red, possibly a Majestouch 2 with reds, a KBC Poker with Reds (both around $140-150), or if you wanna take a bit of a risk go for that Rosewill RK-9000RE (even though its from the same OEM manufacture as Filco) because half the reviews on newegg say that they have a super annoying squeaky space bar (that is apparently fixable without the need to RMA it). I'm actually thinking of grabbing a Rosewill since I'm short in money. I had a Razer BlackWidow exactly one year ago, and it broke within two weeks .__. R.I.P.

Once you've gone mechanical, you'll never look back.
MaestrO_
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States591 Posts
December 17 2011 06:23 GMT
#6
Red's are incredible, i own a Filco Majestouch 2 with red switches, easily the best keyboard i've ever owned i've had everything from Steelseries to Topre, and this specific keyboard, with the Reds, has been my favorite.

Unfortunately they're hard to find, they don't make red switches anymore, so they're going to be more expensive.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 06:25:16
December 17 2011 06:24 GMT
#7
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An idea on what pressuring each switch is like. Easy to see why Blue gives the feel it does. And you can float a blue with practice as well.

http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide

Good reading.
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Hashbaz
Profile Joined July 2010
United States340 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 06:31:07
December 17 2011 06:27 GMT
#8
How long have you had the Steelseries? I wouldn't give up on black switches until you've had it for several months.

Personally I don't like brown switches. For gaming I prefer blues, which are a tad stiffer than browns and have that nice click which I really enjoy. The double tapping problem is not really an issue for Starcraft. I like reds and buckling springs for SC2 as well.

On December 17 2011 15:03 LanTAs wrote:
If i were you , i would grab a Red, possibly a Majestouch 2 with reds, a KBC Poker with Reds (both around $140-150), or if you wanna take a bit of a risk go for that Rosewill RK-9000RE (even though its from the same OEM manufacture as Filco) because half the reviews on newegg say that they have a super annoying squeaky space bar (that is apparently fixable without the need to RMA it).


Pokers can be had for much less than $140. In geekhack.org's classifieds section they typically sell used for $80 - $100 shipped. You can get them new on ebay for a bit more. I wouldn't recommend the Poker for Starcraft though, due to its compact layout and function layer. The Rosewill is not a risk at all at $100 on Newegg. A lot of mechanical keyboards squeak. A small amount of white lithium grease from an auto supply store (< $5) will fix it.

On December 17 2011 15:23 MaestrO_ wrote:

Unfortunately they're hard to find, they don't make red switches anymore, so they're going to be more expensive.

Reds are no longer hard to find! Rosewills and Leopolds and Pokers are plentiful.
ESPORTS prevails
DjRetro
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Chile309 Posts
December 17 2011 06:39 GMT
#9
http://global.pchome.com.tw/DCAH28-A58428401

Coming soon in the U.S!

A great RED-keyboard :D
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HuggyBear
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia377 Posts
December 17 2011 07:09 GMT
#10
On December 17 2011 14:48 -Trippin- wrote:
The other day I purchased a steel series keyboard with cherry black switches and thus far I am a bit disappointed. The keys feel like they take too much force to press and I feel as though this has an effect on my apm. In the store, where I tested it, my first thought was that I'd get used to it. But unfortunately I just can't. It's just so uncomfortable when spamming different keys quickly.

I've read a lot of the guides on mechanical keyboards posted here and I know what the good models are, but I'd like to hear what other peoples experiences with different swolitch types have been, what they prefer for sc2, and why.


Yeah, that's natural. You've only had them for two days. It took me around 4-5 days of constant play to get used to them. They do take a bit of force to use. Doesn't mean your hands won't grow those muscles in time
"Sleeping with SeLeCT is Standard. Once you've slept with Day9 everything else is just ..." - CatZ
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
December 17 2011 07:25 GMT
#11
Hard to press keys is exactly what mechanical key users are trying to get away from though. So high pressure switches don't make sense from a marketing standpoint.
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-Cyrus-
Profile Joined June 2011
United States318 Posts
December 17 2011 13:13 GMT
#12
On December 17 2011 15:24 Medrea wrote:
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An idea on what pressuring each switch is like. Easy to see why Blue gives the feel it does. And you can float a blue with practice as well.

http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide

Good reading.


Looking at that makes me think that clears and browns are the best with practice. My first thought when looking at blues is that it may have an issue when quickly spamming a key in that it might not register every time you hit it in quick succession.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 17 2011 13:16 GMT
#13
Why not just reds? =P
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-Cyrus-
Profile Joined June 2011
United States318 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 13:24:48
December 17 2011 13:20 GMT
#14
On December 17 2011 22:16 Shikyo wrote:
Why not just reds? =P


I think that the bump is very important. It would save a ton (very marginal amount) of apm if I could know how far I actually need to press the keys for them to register. I think that the fact I have to hit the blacks all the way does well for accuracy in that I wont make a mistake as easily (which might be great for FPS games or Moba type games), but the reality of it is that in starcraft speed and accuracy is needed. Blacks are just so terrible in my opinion, and I don't see the appeal to reds beside the fact that they might be a bit easier to press.

To be honest, I don't really even see the point of getting a mechanical keyboard at all if it is going to have a linear switch. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me seeing as how I am going to bottom out on a linear switch whether it be a membrane or mechanical keyboard... and Black switches definitely don't feel better and that's for sure.
iScH
Profile Joined November 2010
United States48 Posts
December 17 2011 13:24 GMT
#15
I've been using a Steelseries 6gv2 for about a year now, and as much as I do love this keyboard, I have used keyboards with blue switches, and honestly I love the blue switches over black and brown, I just don't have money to buy another keyboard at the moment xD
G3T PH4Z3D
-Cyrus-
Profile Joined June 2011
United States318 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 13:28:15
December 17 2011 13:25 GMT
#16
On December 17 2011 22:24 Ph4z3d wrote:
I've been using a Steelseries 6gv2 for about a year now, and as much as I do love this keyboard, I have used keyboards with blue switches, and honestly I love the blue switches over black and brown, I just don't have money to buy another keyboard at the moment xD


Can you tell me a bit about the pros and cons you have found with black switches over prolonged use? What makes you like the blue switches more? Do you think that black switches are the clear favorite for non-RTS type games despite your blue switch preference (the reason I ask this is because I still have 10 days to return my black switch keyboard and I am considering just keeping it anyway just in-case, possibly to use it when I travel or in the university library when I want to play sc2 there)?
carlton1shot
Profile Joined November 2011
United States23 Posts
December 17 2011 13:41 GMT
#17
i completely agree with you, I recently picked up a 6gv2, and found the keys to be extremely stiff... however my brother has the 6gv1 and his keys definitely feel a lot softer, maybe closer to blue/browns... i'm not too sure why, but im kind of disappointed in the 6gv2.

i guess i'll be buying a DASkeyboard w/ brown/blue switches.
Hashbaz
Profile Joined July 2010
United States340 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 13:42:48
December 17 2011 13:42 GMT
#18
On December 17 2011 22:13 -Trippin- wrote:
Looking at that makes me think that clears and browns are the best with practice. My first thought when looking at blues is that it may have an issue when quickly spamming a key in that it might not register every time you hit it in quick succession.

You're talking about the doubletapping problem that I and others mentioned. Blues have zero issues with spamming. Doubletapping is not the same as repeatedly hitting the keys in quick succession. Doubletapping is floating the switches right above the actuation point and repeatedly hitting it. Blues do make this harder to do than other switch types (though not impossible). Fortunately you don't need or even really want to do that in Starcraft. If you like the blues for other reasons, the doubletapping thing is a non-issue.
ESPORTS prevails
-Cyrus-
Profile Joined June 2011
United States318 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 13:47:33
December 17 2011 13:46 GMT
#19
On December 17 2011 22:42 Hashbaz wrote:
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On December 17 2011 22:13 -Trippin- wrote:
Looking at that makes me think that clears and browns are the best with practice. My first thought when looking at blues is that it may have an issue when quickly spamming a key in that it might not register every time you hit it in quick succession.

You're talking about the doubletapping problem that I and others mentioned. Blues have zero issues with spamming. Doubletapping is not the same as repeatedly hitting the keys in quick succession. Doubletapping is floating the switches right above the actuation point and repeatedly hitting it. Blues do make this harder to do than other switch types (though not impossible). Fortunately you don't need or even really want to do that in Starcraft. If you like the blues for other reasons, the doubletapping thing is a non-issue.


But if you were to just hit the key down all the way anyway, that obviously wouldn't even be a problem. I can't see many instances in which I would ever float anyway, in any game. The thing I liked about the blue switches was the feel of them, so I guess that seems like the one for me thus far.
arena_say_what
Profile Joined June 2011
122 Posts
December 17 2011 13:46 GMT
#20
I bought a steelseries 6Gv2 a while back and liek you i was dissapointed by the black switches. Few weeks ago I ordered a Filco with blue switches and I'm so much happier with it. It really is a joy to type on compared to black switches.
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