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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-03 06:33:00
May 03 2015 02:14 GMT
#10721
there's "system idle time" which is eating up CPU resources


That's the process that measures how much the CPU is idle. It's supposed to be as high as possible
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13081 Posts
May 03 2015 07:38 GMT
#10722
Yesterday tried to burn a DVD on my DVDrw and after it showed a error now its not working. You can open/close it with no problems but its not reading at all. No sound or anything, never seen this problem till now.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-03 09:08:56
May 03 2015 09:07 GMT
#10723
On May 03 2015 11:14 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
there's "system idle time" which is eating up CPU resources


That's the process that measures how much the CPU is idle. It's supposed to be as high as possible


Then i'm stumped, this computer makes no sense.

I have a core 2 duo at 3.0 GHz
2x2 gb of DDR2 RAM but the system only detects 3 for some reason (upgraded from 2x0.5 Gb)
a fresh windows 7 install
the gtx 560 ti i bought


when I don't install the nvidia drivers I can make boxes on desktops with 0 lag. when I DO install nvidia drivers i have major stuttering and lag on desktop, regardless of what scheme I'm using (aero or not). it did this when the computer still only had 1 Gb of RAM total

I'm really not sure what's going on. I want to blame the HDD however crystaldisk says the drive is healthy and also these problems don't occur when graphic drivers aren't installed

i know the graphics card works perfectly since i used in my own rig for a couple of weeks without any problems whatsoever

as for drivers, I've tried most recent drivers, 314.22 drivers and 301.xx drivers

all laggy. all i know is that CPU usage spikes. system idle process goes from 880-90% to 50%, then back up etc. i'm not sure what's eating up CPU resources.

idk anymore
maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-03 11:45:33
May 03 2015 11:43 GMT
#10724
It it windows 7 64 bit?

You can go to the Resource Monitor CPU tab and sort by average CPU load. On a clean system you can get it below 1% average load (i've got a screenshot of average cpu load reading 0.00% on every single process, after killing a few and waiting for fun )

if there's anything spiking and getting high CPU load, it'll show up there.

You should also download Latencymon and take a look at your DPC latency.

~20 constantly is very good. ~100-200 is acceptable. Spikes to 5k are very bad and can probably cause those symptoms.

I had very bad problems with DPC latency caused by the nvidia driver that were odd and intermittent, but they seem to be gone now. It might have been setting pci-e to 2.0 instead of 3.0 that fixed that, but i would previously completely remove drivers with an uninstaller from safe mode and then unplug internet, restart into regular windows and install latest driver that i downloaded previously. I did that probably a dozen times while trying to diagnose it, and i do it for new driver versions now because nvidia and AMD are not very good at writing software.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-03 14:35:23
May 03 2015 13:16 GMT
#10725
I definitely feel that the problem is one that might be fixed in BIOS.

I'll download that program, look around at BIOS options and try to get a solid idea of what's eating up CPU resources. Thanks for the tips.

E: lol i'm clueless again

there's nothing eat up cpu resources yet i think that one of the two cores is at 100% constantly?

http://imgur.com/EEEwCNC,EISBfMR
maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-03 14:37:56
May 03 2015 14:37 GMT
#10726
Nothing's showing in the -CPU- tab of the resource manager (not overview tab), sorted by cpu or average cpu load?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-03 14:42:31
May 03 2015 14:40 GMT
#10727
edit: oh

oh well should i check that? what could be there that doesn't show up in task manager or overview?

Edit: and yeah btw it's W7 64 bit
maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
May 03 2015 14:45 GMT
#10728
IDK

the "average" display helps a little
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-03 14:57:15
May 03 2015 14:48 GMT
#10729
the thing that really stumps me is that there is NO lag whatsoever if i uninstall nvidia graphic drivers or if i pop in my old HD3450

even windows seems to boot really damn slowly
edit: see ?

http://i.imgur.com/k4sH8o5.png

hmm
maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
May 03 2015 15:01 GMT
#10730
You should also download Latencymon and take a look at your DPC latency.

~20 constantly is very good. ~100-200 is acceptable. Spikes to 5k are very bad and can probably cause those symptoms.

I had very bad problems with DPC latency caused by the nvidia driver that were odd
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 03 2015 15:18 GMT
#10731
ah my bad

yeah i'm between 2000 and 5000 most of the time, with huge spikes

going to google fixes for that. strange that it does this with three different nvidia drivers. i'm on the right track thanks to you though!
maru lover forever
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
May 04 2015 09:12 GMT
#10732
If anyone is having FPS issues after a fresh build, check for "Power Options" in Control Panel and change the setting to "Performance." It sounds funny but this was the simple bottleneck that killed my FPS in games.
Support your esport!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
May 04 2015 10:10 GMT
#10733
It should usually be on Balanced - that's the one that lets it drop, but keeps to 100% whenever needed. It's not perfect, but it's really good.

Power Saver is the one to avoid. That setting tries to pin your hardware at minimum clocks and shows a lot of resistance to ramping CPU up when you need it.

Performance is good for troubleshooting and benchmarking, but ideally not what you would run 24/7 especially on an overclocked CPU
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
May 04 2015 10:40 GMT
#10734
On May 04 2015 19:10 Cyro wrote:
It should usually be on Balanced - that's the one that lets it drop, but keeps to 100% whenever needed. It's not perfect, but it's really good.

Power Saver is the one to avoid. That setting tries to pin your hardware at minimum clocks and shows a lot of resistance to ramping CPU up when you need it.

Performance is good for troubleshooting and benchmarking, but ideally not what you would run 24/7 especially on an overclocked CPU


Got it, I had it on "Power Saver" and was confused.
Support your esport!
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24777 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 00:55:03
May 05 2015 00:51 GMT
#10735
For a while now (months) I've been noticing more noise than normal coming from my CPU fan. I have removed the fan many times and cleaned all the dust off, but it doesn't seem to help. The noise has gotten worse lately... what's my best bet?

PC: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/137554-computer-build-resource-thread?page=1016#20317
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17287 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 02:32:44
May 05 2015 02:24 GMT
#10736
Sounds like the bearings are going. Technically you could open the fan and do some maintenance to them, but practically speaking it makes more sense to replace the fan or heatsink (or RMA it possibly). I don't think it's too hard to replace the fan on the heatsink you have, but I'm not sure.

The picture looks like there's a bracket attached to the side of the heatsink which the fan screws into like it would screw into a case. If that's right then replacing it should be trivial. You could also try adjusting the tightness of the fan on the heatsink (loosen it like a quarter turn) and see if that helps.
twitch.tv/cratonz
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24777 Posts
May 05 2015 02:40 GMT
#10737
The fan hooks on to the heatsink with plastic clips. I am able to remove the fan easily (just unclip from heatsink and unplug from mobo) but can't seem to clean/repair the fan. Either I replace the fan or get a whole new cooler, I guess. Maybe I should replace more stuff on my computer while I'm at it? Specs are in the page I linked.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17287 Posts
May 05 2015 04:57 GMT
#10738
Up to you if you feel like you need an upgrade on parts. As far as fixing the noise, replacing the fan should be the simplest approach. The rest of the heatsink is usually just a hunk of metal, so not much need to replace that.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 05 2015 05:42 GMT
#10739
On May 05 2015 09:51 micronesia wrote:
For a while now (months) I've been noticing more noise than normal coming from my CPU fan. I have removed the fan many times and cleaned all the dust off, but it doesn't seem to help. The noise has gotten worse lately... what's my best bet?

PC: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/137554-computer-build-resource-thread?page=1016#20317


if you're feel adventurous: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-take-apart-a-case-fan/
maru lover forever
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24777 Posts
May 05 2015 10:57 GMT
#10740
Last thing, in case I decide not to do what Incognoto suggested...

How do I acquire a new fan if I want to reuse the heatsink?
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
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