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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 04:36:45
November 17 2011 04:36 GMT
#201
edit: severely ninja'd...x_x

On November 17 2011 13:22 FireSA wrote:
Just wanted to know what sort of towers I could look at if I wanted a pretty small one, I am currently building a computer with the following parts so far (also would like opinions on these, if they go together or if theres an issue, I dont know comps well enough)


You just want a case that fits microATX motherboard and the larger graphics cards. There are mini towers that are like typical towers but shorter, and then also desktop cases with a sideways orientation (motherboard parallel to ground). You would get more small case options if you moved to a miniITX motherboard.

Mini tower options:
Silverstone TJ08-E - high performance cooling with reasonable noise, nice features
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17904

Antec NSK3840 - comes with power supply included that's sufficient, but it's not going to be that quiet at high loads powering a HD 6950
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=5771

Cooler Master Elite 341 - the budget option in all senses
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=14530

Desktop options:
Thermaltake Armor A30 - rather large for this style of case; there are smaller options but I'm not seeing them on PCCaseGear
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17268

Weird rotated tower (if you need minimum length and width and don't care about height):
Silverstone FT03 - more expensive and worse overall than the TJ08-E
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16503
FireSA
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia555 Posts
November 17 2011 04:44 GMT
#202
Thanks guys, depending on how cheap I feel and whether people have certain opinions, itll be the silverstone or the budget master elite 341 ;D
foehammer
Profile Joined August 2009
United States80 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 06:21:08
November 17 2011 06:15 GMT
#203
Hey guys,

Does anyone know if it is possible to stream using two computers? I mean like use my desktop to play starcraft and then use my laptop to stream it? I heard someone say that it is possible somewhere but I dont know how I would go about doing that. If I am running a screen capture software (ie. Xplit) on my laptop how would it grab the screen off of my desktop?
Thanks in advance!

Edit: one more simple question :D
I have g.skill ram(go Esports!), if i want to upgrade to more ram what difference (benefits and drawbacks) would it make if i bought a different brand and not the same g.skill again??
iloveroo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada294 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 06:57:19
November 17 2011 06:49 GMT
#204
Hi!

I plan on upgrading my gpu(sometime in either Feburary or March) that can maintain any game on ultra settings with at least a stable fps of 60 at 1920x1080.
The current gpu I currently am using a Radeon 6850 which can run most games on high at 1080p with atleast 60 fps but drops at times which makes my game a bit laggy and stutter-ish which I don't like.

I recently bought skyrim over the weekend and the game auto detection recommended graphics were at high (I know that the auto detection thing may be inaccurate), but at high on 1920x1080 on skyrim I get.. roughly about 40-50ish can't really tell/I don't really know, but at times my fps do drop which causes a bit of a lag, nothing major just don't want any lag issues when major fights are happening.

So I was wondering if anyone can tell me what a good card is to have at 1920x1080 which can maintain 60 fps MOST of the time in any demanding high texture game.
The price range would be around $200-300 but of course lower the better !
I have also looked at this but I am looking for people's opinions. Tomshardware - Best Graphics Card for the Money - November

edit: Crossfire/SLI is no option, I simply dislike them!
I guess I have a feeling people are going to pick either Radeon 6950 or the GeForce 560ti, any difference between the two, any major or minor differences?
Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
November 17 2011 13:55 GMT
#205
Question!

If I'm not planning on overclocking, is the 2500k or the 2500 worth the extra $$ over the 2400?
(I also have to buy a 1155 mobo).

I have never liked to idea of overclocking. :{
Specially when it includes buying new HSF.

Thanks in advance.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 17 2011 13:58 GMT
#206
You don't like the idea of 30% performance increase for free? Hmhm.

Well, 2500 can be worth the extra over 2400 depending on price. 2500k isn't worth the extra unless you like... use the HD 3000 <_<
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 17 2011 13:59 GMT
#207
On November 17 2011 22:55 Hoon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Question!

If I'm not planning on overclocking, is the 2500k or the 2500 worth the extra $$ over the 2400?
(I also have to buy a 1155 mobo).

I have never liked to idea of overclocking. :{
Specially when it includes buying new HSF.

Thanks in advance.


The 2500 might be worth it over the 2400 but the 2500k will not be worth it over either.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 14:01:55
November 17 2011 14:01 GMT
#208
Hey, I have a question, actually!

How does intel and AMD warranty work with unlocked processors? Is there some voltage limit or can you even overclock them under warranty?

Also, what graphics card manufacturers offer warranty for overclocking on base voltage? Do any offer warranty for overclocking with voltage tweaking?
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Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
November 17 2011 14:07 GMT
#209
On November 17 2011 22:59 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 22:55 Hoon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Question!

If I'm not planning on overclocking, is the 2500k or the 2500 worth the extra $$ over the 2400?
(I also have to buy a 1155 mobo).

I have never liked to idea of overclocking. :{
Specially when it includes buying new HSF.

Thanks in advance.


The 2500 might be worth it over the 2400 but the 2500k will not be worth it over either.

On November 17 2011 22:58 Shikyo wrote:
You don't like the idea of 30% performance increase for free? Hmhm.

Well, 2500 can be worth the extra over 2400 depending on price. 2500k isn't worth the extra unless you like... use the HD 3000 <_<


Hokay, thanks for the info!
I'll check prices on the 2400 and 2500 at local shops. ^_^

Can I unlock 30% extra performance with no need of new HSF and higher power consumption?
I currently have a 500W PSU powering up a Radeon 6850 and 2 HDDs.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 17 2011 14:24 GMT
#210
On November 17 2011 23:07 Hoon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On November 17 2011 22:59 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 22:55 Hoon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Question!

If I'm not planning on overclocking, is the 2500k or the 2500 worth the extra $$ over the 2400?
(I also have to buy a 1155 mobo).

I have never liked to idea of overclocking. :{
Specially when it includes buying new HSF.

Thanks in advance.


The 2500 might be worth it over the 2400 but the 2500k will not be worth it over either.

On November 17 2011 22:58 Shikyo wrote:
You don't like the idea of 30% performance increase for free? Hmhm.

Well, 2500 can be worth the extra over 2400 depending on price. 2500k isn't worth the extra unless you like... use the HD 3000 <_<


Hokay, thanks for the info!
I'll check prices on the 2400 and 2500 at local shops. ^_^

Can I unlock 30% extra performance with no need of new HSF and higher power consumption?
I currently have a 500W PSU powering up a Radeon 6850 and 2 HDDs.


30% is like 4.3GHz so yes you could most likely get away with this on the Intel stock heatsink.

Increased clock speed comes with increased power consumption which in turn leads to more heat though a 500w is more than enough for an overclocked 2500k and 6850.


On November 17 2011 23:01 Shikyo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hey, I have a question, actually!

How does intel and AMD warranty work with unlocked processors? Is there some voltage limit or can you even overclock them under warranty?

Also, what graphics card manufacturers offer warranty for overclocking on base voltage? Do any offer warranty for overclocking with voltage tweaking?


Overclocking is not covered in Intel's warranty.

All manufacturers (at least the big five do) cover overclocking without voltage tweaks. ASUS, MSI, and EVGA covers overclocking with voltage increase to an "extent" with their own software as long as there are no hardware mods.
Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 14:27:24
November 17 2011 14:26 GMT
#211
On November 17 2011 23:24 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 23:07 Hoon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On November 17 2011 22:59 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 22:55 Hoon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Question!

If I'm not planning on overclocking, is the 2500k or the 2500 worth the extra $$ over the 2400?
(I also have to buy a 1155 mobo).

I have never liked to idea of overclocking. :{
Specially when it includes buying new HSF.

Thanks in advance.


The 2500 might be worth it over the 2400 but the 2500k will not be worth it over either.

On November 17 2011 22:58 Shikyo wrote:
You don't like the idea of 30% performance increase for free? Hmhm.

Well, 2500 can be worth the extra over 2400 depending on price. 2500k isn't worth the extra unless you like... use the HD 3000 <_<


Hokay, thanks for the info!
I'll check prices on the 2400 and 2500 at local shops. ^_^

Can I unlock 30% extra performance with no need of new HSF and higher power consumption?
I currently have a 500W PSU powering up a Radeon 6850 and 2 HDDs.


30% is like 4.3GHz so yes you could most likely get away with this on the Intel stock heatsink.

Increased clock speed comes with increased power consumption which in turn leads to more heat though a 500w is more than enough for an overclocked 2500k and 6850.

Cool!
I think I'll get the 2500k instead then. (:
Thanks a lot!
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gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
November 17 2011 14:41 GMT
#212
On November 17 2011 23:24 skyR wrote:

All manufacturers (at least the big five do) cover overclocking without voltage tweaks. ASUS, MSI, and EVGA covers overclocking with voltage increase to an "extent" with their own software as long as there are no hardware mods.


Do you know about Gainward's warranty for gpu oc's using voltage tweaking? All I've found is this as a general policy for their products:


- Improper or inadequate use or misuse of the product, or not following safety and handling instructions;
- External influences on the product;
- Intentional mishandling;
- Repairs carried out by persons or entities not authorized and explicitly appointed;
- Alterations and modifications on the product;
- Improper or inadequate packing or transport for returning the product;
- Removal or damages serial and / or article numbers on the product.


Doesn't really tell you much as to what they consider "misuse of product."
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 17 2011 14:47 GMT
#213
Gainward isn't available in Canada so I have no clue. Most manufacturers are vague about what's covered in their warranty because they obviously don't want you to be doing something stupid fully knowing that it might damage the card.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
November 17 2011 14:52 GMT
#214
Gainward is owned by Palit...I think Gainward is meant to be Palit's "high end". So their relationship is basically the same as Lancool and Lian Li.

I guess its not a long stretch to assume Gainward will have similar work processes as Pailit. I definitely know that they have "warranty is void if removed" stickers around the heatsink screws. So they actively discourage you from using aftermarket heatsinks...interpret this however you like.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
November 17 2011 15:07 GMT
#215
Alright thanks. I know they have quite tough policy on physical alterations/damages so I'm not holding my breath here.

XXhkXX
Profile Joined June 2011
170 Posts
November 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#216
which graphics card is better? an NVIDIA 540M on 1GB of DDR3, or a 2GB Radeon HD 6770M GDDR5. I've tried searching it but no realistic answers come up for the higher RAM version of the 6770.

Also, would the Radeon one get bottlenecked by an i7-2670QM?
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24795 Posts
November 17 2011 21:39 GMT
#217
With Black Friday / Cyber Monday coming, I was trying to decide if there's any way for me to take advantage. Here's my specs on my pc:

Dell Vostro 300 (I think) Mini Tower
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 @ 2.66 GHz
2 GB RAM
32 Bit Vista
Nvidia GeForce 8600 GT
Plenty of HD space (3 SATA HDs)

My plan is to build a computer this August although that is subject to change (advice on the timing welcome).

Is there any hardware I should consider buying next weekend that would be easy to install on my current computer but would still be useful to have come August when I am building a computer?
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
XXhkXX
Profile Joined June 2011
170 Posts
November 17 2011 21:44 GMT
#218
On November 18 2011 06:39 micronesia wrote:
With Black Friday / Cyber Monday coming, I was trying to decide if there's any way for me to take advantage. Here's my specs on my pc:

Dell Vostro 300 (I think) Mini Tower
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 @ 2.66 GHz
2 GB RAM
32 Bit Vista
Nvidia GeForce 8600 GT
Plenty of HD space (3 SATA HDs)

My plan is to build a computer this August although that is subject to change (advice on the timing welcome).

Is there any hardware I should consider buying next weekend that would be easy to install on my current computer but would still be useful to have come August when I am building a computer?


I know for a fact that there is a lot of RAM out there that u could get for cheaper prices coming up. I think I saw 8GB of DDR3 for $30, which I dont think is too bad a deal.

You can check other sites but heres a page:
http://www.logicbuy.com/categorydeals/computers/ram
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24795 Posts
November 17 2011 21:45 GMT
#219
On November 18 2011 06:44 XXhkXX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 06:39 micronesia wrote:
With Black Friday / Cyber Monday coming, I was trying to decide if there's any way for me to take advantage. Here's my specs on my pc:

Dell Vostro 300 (I think) Mini Tower
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 @ 2.66 GHz
2 GB RAM
32 Bit Vista
Nvidia GeForce 8600 GT
Plenty of HD space (3 SATA HDs)

My plan is to build a computer this August although that is subject to change (advice on the timing welcome).

Is there any hardware I should consider buying next weekend that would be easy to install on my current computer but would still be useful to have come August when I am building a computer?


I know for a fact that there is a lot of RAM out there that u could get for cheaper prices coming up. I think I saw 8GB of DDR3 for $30, which I dont think is too bad a deal.

You can check other sites but heres a page:
http://www.logicbuy.com/categorydeals/computers/ram

I haven't bought RAM a la carte in a LONG time so I'm not really up on how to do it... are there any restrictions on what I can't use? Am I going to be pulling out what I have, or just adding to it?
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
November 17 2011 23:37 GMT
#220
For a new computer, you're probably want DDR3 which probably won't work with your current computer since you can't put DDR3 into a DDR2 motherboard and vice versa. However, I'd just hold from any purchases until you are going to buy the whole system. That way you can verify whether or not any of your parts are dead on arrival and still benefit from immediate warranty.
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