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On May 09 2011 11:36 Carbonthief wrote:
I am having massive lag issues and just don't know what to do. The more people are watching the stream, the worse the lag is. I am pretty sure it's the chat, even though I don't have the chat I open I think it's connecting me to the chat anyways. Because during down periods it will stream better, then during a big engagement where you'd expect the chat to be more active it locks up completely. I have tried all solutions in the OP and it made zero difference. NASL is at this point with this many people watching completely unwatchably laggy for me. Other streams, especially non-JustinTV streams, are completely 100% fine.
It's not NASL's problem, to be blunt... I stream @ 1080p every day and never so much as hiccup.... what sort of internet connection do you have? I do know that when this topic was made (over a month ago) there WERE some connection issues, but since then they have improved 100x fold.
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I am streaming 480p and its free... make free users stream at 240p man its just too clear at 480
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I watch at full 1080p all the time with next to no lag issues. I don't even have that fast of internet, I live in a very small town so our "high speed" is about half the speed of high speed in the city. It's definitely NOT the NASL.
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On May 09 2011 11:48 PR4Y wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 11:36 Carbonthief wrote:
I am having massive lag issues and just don't know what to do. The more people are watching the stream, the worse the lag is. I am pretty sure it's the chat, even though I don't have the chat I open I think it's connecting me to the chat anyways. Because during down periods it will stream better, then during a big engagement where you'd expect the chat to be more active it locks up completely. I have tried all solutions in the OP and it made zero difference. NASL is at this point with this many people watching completely unwatchably laggy for me. Other streams, especially non-JustinTV streams, are completely 100% fine. It's not NASL's problem, to be blunt... I stream @ 1080p every day and never so much as hiccup.... what sort of internet connection do you have? I do know that when this topic was made (over a month ago) there WERE some connection issues, but since then they have improved 100x fold.
I have either the fastest or second fastest connection my ISP offers. I don't know the exact bandwidth, but it has been more than suffice for, oh, just, every other stream on the entire internet except the NASL.
And it streams NASL just fine alot of the time, until something big happens in a game like a big engagement, and then it locks up to hell.
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On May 09 2011 11:56 dmillz wrote:
I watch at full 1080p all the time with next to no lag issues. I don't even have that fast of internet, I live in a very small town so our "high speed" is about half the speed of high speed in the city. It's definitely NOT the NASL.
How do you watch at 1080p when the max is 720p?
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Having this issue bigtime. Stream is choppy. Connection freezes frequently. Biggest and most prevalent problem is the video will freeze and audio will continue, every few seconds. I get this issue with all justin.tv streams, whether or not they have many viewers. I do not get this issue on other streaming sites like livestream. Very frustrating considering the SC world has switched over to justin.tv it seems... please help!
-I have changed quality to 240p.
-I do not have hardware acceleration enabled. Makes no difference.
-I do not have chat open. Makes no difference.
-I use pop-out stream. Makes no difference.
-I have tried switching between wired and wireless internet. makes no difference.
-I am not sure which process to change the affinity for. I have tried Firefox.exe. I have tried plugin-container.exe too, because it uses most CPU during streaming.
-Stream connection rarely freezes if stream is in background, minimized or covered by either programs.
-At some times, for a few minutes at a time, I get no problems at 240p. Problems return in full force at 480p. I really hate the quality at 240p…
SPECS
ASUS Notebook G73jh Series
Windows 7 Home Premium Service Pack 1
Intel® Core™ i7 CPU Q 720 @ 1.60GHz 1.60 GHz
8.00GB RAM
64-bit Operating System
Firefox 4.0.1
Adobe Flash Player 10.3.181.14
Trendnet TEW-631BRP Wireless Router
Motorola SBV5120 SURFboard Cable Modem
Speedtest.net Results
Ping: 11 ms
Download Speed: 4.19 Mbps
Upload Speed: 2.10 Mbps
Task + Resource Manager Image:
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i very rarely get lag on streams, but i guess i run at 360p most of the time cos my bandwidth is 30gig, looks like a lot of effort, gj!
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On May 23 2011 12:29 Nairul wrote:Speedtest.net Results Ping: 11 ms Download Speed: 4.19 Mbps Upload Speed: 2.10 Mbps Task + Resource Manager Image: + Show Spoiler +
Assuming this is the speed you are paying for, its pretty tough to stream video, even at a relatively low quality with this connection. It seems like a bandwidth issue straight up to me.
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for some people, it could just be the routing of jtv to your isp. i know i had a lagging problem before and then i email emmett from jtv my ip address (he told us in a teamliquid thread to email him and he would see about the routing) and in like 2 days my streams were lag free. he never did reply to say if he did anything or not, but it would be one hell of a coincidence if it wasnt him.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=199642¤tpage=5#93
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i was watching NASL 1080 with TLO in the background with a older and very hot Macbook Pro. no problems here 
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When I'm watching NASL in full screen, my screen flickers like this. About 1 every 50 frames or something, it looks something like this:
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It doesn't lag at all. It's just random black bars flickering constantly.
- Only happens on justin.tv. Other flash videos at full screen work fine (even 720p youtube videos).
- Reducing resolution to minimum in justin.tv, doesn't seem to help anything
- Happens on all justin.tv videos, but is MUCH worse on NASL.
- I don't have chat loaded, watching from TL streams page.
- Resources seem to be fine. CPU at about ~60% use, memory at almost 30%
Here's a pic of resource monitor (couldn't take screenshot at fullscreen, but it shows a graph of history of the last minute which was all in full screen)
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Using ubuntu 11.04. 2.8Gb ram and 4 core 2.3GHZ CPU.
What could possibly be wrong? What could I do?
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Not sure if this helps, or if ti was a coincidence, but hopefully this might be helpfull to someone.
I was having bad lag issues with both the 1080p stream and the VODs. I haven't gotten to check stream yet (I'll try to check tomorow during the restream so I don't have to wiat til lwednesday to know) but I was trying to fix the lag with the VODs just now. I tried the things listed in the OP and they didn't really seem to work. But I then found above the core affinity, "set priority" And by changing priority from normal to high the lag suddenly went away. Not sure if this is helpfull at all, and like I said I will test this tomorow with the restream and get back on weather or not that fixed the stream as well. But it fixed the VOD lag, while nothing else seems to have before for me.
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On May 23 2011 13:30 hunts wrote:
Not sure if this helps, or if ti was a coincidence, but hopefully this might be helpfull to someone.
I was having bad lag issues with both the 1080p stream and the VODs. I haven't gotten to check stream yet (I'll try to check tomorow during the restream so I don't have to wiat til lwednesday to know) but I was trying to fix the lag with the VODs just now. I tried the things listed in the OP and they didn't really seem to work. But I then found above the core affinity, "set priority" And by changing priority from normal to high the lag suddenly went away. Not sure if this is helpfull at all, and like I said I will test this tomorow with the restream and get back on weather or not that fixed the stream as well. But it fixed the VOD lag, while nothing else seems to have before for me.
Edited into OP in case it helps anyone else.
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Windows - Needs a guide to watch a video (TM).
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Assuming this is the speed you are paying for, its pretty tough to stream video, even at a relatively low quality with this connection. It seems like a bandwidth issue straight up to me.
I got back into SC2 and started watching justin.tv streams about a week ago. This is when the problems arose, and prompted me to start using speedtest.net. According to it, I've had ~4.0 Mbps download speed for the last week. I don't know if this is the speed being paid for. I'm home from college at my parents house. Everything else is working fine... streams on other sites, SC2, downloads, webpages load instantly, etc. From what I recall watching justin.tv streams back in November/December, I never had a problem. =(
for some people, it could just be the routing of jtv to your isp. i know i had a lagging problem before and then i email emmett from jtv my ip address (he told us in a teamliquid thread to email him and he would see about the routing) and in like 2 days my streams were lag free. he never did reply to say if he did anything or not, but it would be one hell of a coincidence if it wasnt him. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=199642¤tpage=5#93
I will try this, thank you.
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I don't know if you can help me out or not but I'm actually having a problem with the VoDs that actually seem like stream issues.
When I try to play the VoDs from JTV for NASL they come out pretty much slideshow-like and are just completely unwatchable. The weird thing is that the audio comes out just fine. I'm not sure if my computer just can't handle it or what. I've tried using a different browser, popping out the window, setting priority to high, and assigning firefox to the last 2 of my 8 cores with no luck. Oh and I know my internet is not that great so I don't watch the stream in 1080 but I do let the VoDs buffer I would think that would take care of it since there are no stuttering problems with the audio just the video.
Anyways here's my specs
Operating System: Windows Vista™ Ultimate Service Pack 2
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz (8 CPUs), ~2.7GHz
Memory: 3062MB RAM
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+
Speedtest
Ping: 81
D/L: 3.09Mbps
U/L: 0.32mbps
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I've always had issues with JTV. Or well, I have issues with it when too many europeans are watching. The times I've tuned into NASL during the US broadcast it has been really smooth at 1080p but when its time for the EU broadcast I cant even watch at 240p so I'll just continue to wait for JTV to fix their stuff. There are no issues on my end.
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For me-
I get bad lag on JTV, but if i lower the quality and make sure the chat is not visible everything is perfect. It took me way to long to discover these fixes, im a bit embarrased by it
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Didnd't see any lags on the live european stream^^ Sometimes it cuts but u can just refresh so np.
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TL;TR on OP:Justin.tv's chat implementation is retarded.
Justin seems to be AWESOME for most (multiple quality stream!) but with bandwith issues to many Europeans, once they fix that (and the chat.. wtf) it will be THE service to stream on.
Justin.tv is probably working on their support for Europe. But for now at late nights all the justin streams suddenly become unwatchable in over 480p for me. Not hardware nor ISP issue.
On May 23 2011 19:53 neo_sporin wrote:
For me-
I get bad lag on JTV, but if i lower the quality and make sure the chat is not visible everything is perfect. It took me way to long to discover these fixes, im a bit embarrased by it
You shouldn't have to. I don't get how a chat can be this memory and cpu intensive. I really dont..
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