EDIT: Lots of new problems arising... This is getting complicated. Anyone with problems, please read to the bottom, and post SS's and specs for me (and other's) try to help.
Hi there TL.
I'm coming here about 1 hour before our beloved NASL scheduled transmission to try to solve a problem that a decent amount of people seem to have. I didn't have it before with JTV, but since doing a little research it seems it can happen with pretty much any JTV stream.
EDIT: I will say it here to be clear, this issue has NOTHING to do with Hardware Specs, ISP, download throughput or, sometimes, even software. And they can be kinda random, I can't watch TSL because ustream lags too much, even on low quality, but I couldn't find a solution to that yet. But Justin.TV works fine and I'm trying to help people where I can.
The reason it LAGs, for many people (including me yesterday) was because the CHAT gets so full and has so many people messaging it can use a LOT of computer resources...
This coupled with the huge bitrate that the NASL videos are streamed in can put some modern PC's to full load. Or rather 1 core of a modern PC to full load.
The issue here seems to be that flash and most modern browsers are not particularly multi-core friendly, and thus a lot of computer resources go to waste.
Most people have problems when they watch like this:
I use Catz stream as the example because it is available right now.
EDIT: This is a screenshot of the state of my PC when I open the Fullscreen 480p NASL stream with the chat open behind it, no core realocation done. And yes, it LAGS like all hell.
To solve this we have some options:
Solution Number 1
- Don't open the chat at all.
It can be done by watching the stream from Team Liquid (see right hand bar), or directly here http://wellplayed.org/nasl
If you open through Justin.TV you will get the chat going.
Another, and the most obvious solution was pointed quickly by Mairu. I don't know how the most obvious things are left behind!
EDIT: I don't know if this stops downloading and processing chat or just hides it, bewaqrfe until furtgher tests
On April 14 2011 08:43 Mairu wrote:
VIOLA! No chat.
Solution Number 2
- Pop-up the stream
There is a button on the right-bottom side of the stream that does this. Doing this CAN automatically solve your problems (As the browser/Windows get smart and actually use 2+ Cores) or you may want to close the chat window behind it.
If you want to keep the chat window and this does not work for you, there is solution number 3.
Solution Number 3
- Change Core affinity in windows
This can be done both in windows XP and 7, and Linux/MAC too, I'm mostly sure, but I don't know how to answer to those two operation systems.
First do something every Windows user should know how to do Ctrl+Alt+Del. It will open the Task Manager. Alternatively right click the Task Bar in an empty spot and click Task Manager.
After that go to the Process bar, like this:
See that even though I'm watching it in 480p (and MUCH lower bitrate than NASL) and the chat is only mild it is eating 16% of a 3,2GHz Phenon II X3 processor.... Since this is only on 1 core it is actually 50% of that core.... See how can this can add up pretty quickly?
Well, next step should be right click that bad boy of a process and select "Core Affinity", it will open a small windows like this:
Uncheck lower number cores, because those are automatically assigned first. Leave it with the last or last couple of cores.
If you have multiple High Load process, you can separate then to different cores as well. Since in this case only 1 process is eating my Cores, I shoo it to the last core and I'm done with it.
This, I think, can solve 50%+ of the lag problems people got with the NASL stream yesterday.
If something here doesn't work for you, please leave a message in the thread and, if I can, I will help. I don't have anything to do with both NASL nor J.TV, I'm just trying to help people, since I had this problem yesterday and think more people need to know about this.
BONUS Solutions that are related
Problem:
On April 14 2011 08:45 Wasteweiser wrote: Is there a way to keep the streaming player above other programs kinda like gom player? I'd like to raid and watch nasl (dont got dual monitors)
On April 14 2011 08:45 Wasteweiser wrote: Is there a way to keep the streaming player above other programs kinda like gom player? I'd like to raid and watch nasl (dont got dual monitors)
On April 14 2011 08:40 Jotoco wrote: The reason it LAGs, for many people (including me yesterday) was because the CHAT gets so full and has so many people messaging it can use a LOT of computer resources...
no.
i always use tl links to streams, i never open chat. other popular streaming services are fine for me (own3d, ustream). justintv is lagging, not my pc because of lack of recources (12mb/s dl, i7-2600, 16Gb ram, ... lack of resources ?).
On April 14 2011 09:12 Baarn wrote: You can also disable hardware acceleration in the flash menu and/or increase cache to improve performance. Just right click on the stream and go to settings to change those things.
On May 23 2011 13:30 hunts wrote: Not sure if this helps, or if ti was a coincidence, but hopefully this might be helpfull to someone.
I was having bad lag issues with both the 1080p stream and the VODs. I haven't gotten to check stream yet (I'll try to check tomorow during the restream so I don't have to wiat til lwednesday to know) but I was trying to fix the lag with the VODs just now. I tried the things listed in the OP and they didn't really seem to work. But I then found above the core affinity, "set priority" And by changing priority from normal to high the lag suddenly went away. Not sure if this is helpfull at all, and like I said I will test this tomorow with the restream and get back on weather or not that fixed the stream as well. But it fixed the VOD lag, while nothing else seems to have before for me.
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Anyone who still has problems:
Please, post your PC specs, software versions, browsers, flash plugin and anything else you can think of. I am thinking it may have something to do with specific ROUTERS or router configs, so post router make and model (be it Ethernet router, wifi router or modem-combo-thingy)
EDIT:
VERY IMPORTANT FOR ANYONE WITH PERSISTING PROBLEMS
Anyone who still has problems post a screen of you watching it FULL SCREEN with the following options open. Open Task Manager (explained earlier in the post) open the Performance tab and then the Resource Monitor, put it on the Network tab and put the Task Manager in the process tab. Like the screen below:
(There's no problem if Task + Resource Manager are on top of stream if you don't have dual-monitors.
On April 14 2011 08:45 Wasteweiser wrote: Is there a way to keep the streaming player above other programs kinda like gom player? I'd like to raid and watch nasl (dont got dual monitors)
I think, but am not sure, you need 3rd party programs to do that. If someone comes with a solution I will update the OP.
On April 14 2011 08:45 Wasteweiser wrote: Is there a way to keep the streaming player above other programs kinda like gom player? I'd like to raid and watch nasl (dont got dual monitors)
On April 14 2011 08:40 Jotoco wrote: The reason it LAGs, for many people (including me yesterday) was because the CHAT gets so full and has so many people messaging it can use a LOT of computer resources...
no.
i always use tl links to streams, i never open chat. other popular streaming services are fine for me (own3d, ustream). justintv is lagging, not my pc because of lack of recources (12mb/s dl, i7-2600, 16Gb ram, ... lack of resources ?).
Hmm really? I have a crappy AMD 955 BE and none of it's cores are stressed when watching these type of popular streams. Also my macbook is a duo core and it has no performance problems too.
On April 14 2011 08:40 Jotoco wrote: The reason it LAGs, for many people (including me yesterday) was because the CHAT gets so full and has so many people messaging it can use a LOT of computer resources...
no.
i always use tl links to streams, i never open chat. other popular streaming services are fine for me (own3d, ustream). justintv is lagging, not my pc because of lack of recources (12mb/s dl, i7-2600, 16Gb ram, ... lack of resources ?).
On April 14 2011 09:00 Hokay wrote: Hmm really? I have a crappy AMD 955 BE and none of it's cores are stressed when watching these type of popular streams. Also my macbook is a duo core and it has no performance problems too.
Don't know, mine is a Phenon II X720 BE(I think this is the name), and I had this problem, so, I don't know... Still worth a try for anyone having this problem.
On April 14 2011 09:04 andytb wrote: I'd love for Justin to have a link to open the stream in VLC, or their own player ala gom, as flash runs so badly in high resolution on my laptop!
I'm sure it is possibly to watch it in another player... Or is it not? Anyway, any solution proposed goes back to the first post.
You can also disable hardware acceleration in the flash menu and/or increase cache to improve performance. Just right click on the stream and go to settings to change those things.
On April 14 2011 09:12 Baarn wrote: You can also disable hardware acceleration in the flash menu and/or increase cache to improve performance. Just right click on the stream and go to settings to change those things.
Put on the first post.
Now I have to run!
See you guys in a couple of hours, good games to all.
Again, mods are welcome to edit the first post if anything comes up.
I never open chat and still justin TV mostly uses about 10% of my internet connection. All the other streaming sites work fine. I can go from watching perfect 720-1080p for an hour one moment to barely able to stream 240p for another.
On April 14 2011 09:12 Baarn wrote: You can also disable hardware acceleration in the flash menu and/or increase cache to improve performance. Just right click on the stream and go to settings to change those things.
Put on the first post.
Now I have to run!
See you guys in a couple of hours, good games to all.
Again, mods are welcome to edit the first post if anything comes up.
On April 14 2011 09:19 KoveN- wrote: I never open chat and still justin TV mostly uses about 10% of my internet connection. All the other streaming sites work fine. I can go from watching perfect 720-1080p for an hour one moment to barely able to stream 240p for another.
I'm guessing you mean 100% lol. Because 10% of an internet connection is not very much.
Sometimes the lag issues are server-side such as the EU restream which was laggy for EVERYONE. The cast last night though was smooth as butter for me and I am running a tablet (not powerful PC) but with 55Mbps down/10Mbps up.
I noticed the lag spiked really bad right when the first match started/whenever the chat went insane. I had mine full screened so not sure if the chat still runs in the background, guess it probably does since whenever you come out of full screen the chat is still up to date. Guess I will have to try turning it off. Thanks for the post!
can someone help me? i never lag on JTv, gsl, tsl, but for some reason NASL on jtv is really laggy. FPS is like 15...I tried all the stuff on this thread but nothing works. Kinda pissing me off...
btw free stream here, will paying for the HQ stream fix this? argh...
On April 14 2011 10:32 Golgotha wrote: can someone help me? i never lag on JTv, gsl, tsl, but for some reason NASL on jtv is really laggy. FPS is like 15...I tried all the stuff on this thread but nothing works. Kinda pissing me off...
btw free stream here, will paying for the HQ stream fix this? argh...
I'm on my way back home, from my cell.
could you post more info about your specs, your isp and country and the more info the better.
Sir, I truly appreciate you taking the time and doing this for me. Really appreciate your kindness. I posted my DXDIAG that includes all my computer specs. Also, I am located in the Seattle area (WA State) and my ISP is Comcast.
More information: The sound quality is good and there is no sign of choppy audio. My core temperatures with the stream on is 60 degrees Celsius. The thing that bugs me is that the frames per second of the stream is 30 or less. I watch streams everyday but the NASL stream is not "smooth" like the others; it is very choppy. 240P, 360P, or 480P, it does not matter what quality setting I have, it gives me the same choppy result.
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I watched last night with no lag issues, and I'm on junky Canadian internet (something like 4mbp down). I don't understand why anyone in the US could possibly have issues with the stream.
Thanks for the thread but I'm led to believe its just a JTV problem since you don't really get these severe problems on other streams. Even on the chatless options, the lag is still unbearable.
On April 14 2011 11:16 ambientmf wrote: I watched last night with no lag issues, and I'm on junky Canadian internet (something like 4mbp down). I don't understand why anyone in the US could possibly have issues with the stream.
a lot of times it doesn't have to do with connections or isp, or even hardware.
I do think many routers fuck this up too. And other things, as stated in the OP.
as for the user above, I' still from my cell, I' esting dinner and will look into your dxdiag as soon as I can
On April 14 2011 09:19 KoveN- wrote: I never open chat and still justin TV mostly uses about 10% of my internet connection. All the other streaming sites work fine. I can go from watching perfect 720-1080p for an hour one moment to barely able to stream 240p for another.
I'm guessing you mean 100% lol. Because 10% of an internet connection is not very much.
Sometimes the lag issues are server-side such as the EU restream which was laggy for EVERYONE. The cast last night though was smooth as butter for me and I am running a tablet (not powerful PC) but with 55Mbps down/10Mbps up.
No, I mean 10%.
My net is capable of ~700kb/sec. The stream is averaging 30k/sec and pretty much unwatchable. You're right, it's not very much, that's the problem...
The stream for me was perfect yesterday as well, however today it's lagging terribly.
On April 14 2011 09:19 KoveN- wrote: I never open chat and still justin TV mostly uses about 10% of my internet connection. All the other streaming sites work fine. I can go from watching perfect 720-1080p for an hour one moment to barely able to stream 240p for another.
I'm guessing you mean 100% lol. Because 10% of an internet connection is not very much.
Sometimes the lag issues are server-side such as the EU restream which was laggy for EVERYONE. The cast last night though was smooth as butter for me and I am running a tablet (not powerful PC) but with 55Mbps down/10Mbps up.
No, I mean 10%.
My net is capable of ~700kb/sec. The stream is averaging 30k/sec and pretty much unwatchable. You're right, it's not very much, that's the problem...
The stream for me was perfect yesterday as well, however today it's lagging terribly.
Even though you probably did, but still will ask. Did you try to tentative solutions proposed in the thread? If so, have it had ANY difference at all?
I know it sounds weird, but having chat open CAN (and in my case will) make it lag through high processor load AND very low download rates. Although I suspect that a router may be the culprit of this (and various others) problems.
there is definitely a problem that justin.tv needs to put effort into themselves
there is lag that exists that has nothing to do with user connection speed or chat or flash or browser
in my tech support thread someone posted saying that they could watch a specific stream perfectly before justin.tv implemented their multiple resolution option, after which this person had the same lag that effects me and many other people
justin.tv has not responded to the post i made on their tech support forum about the issue a month ago
so there are 3 possibilities
they don't know (meaning they must also be blind or don't look at any feedback) they don't care they know and are trying to fix it, but don't want to tell anyone or get any information that could help
On April 14 2011 11:15 Golgotha wrote: Sir, I truly appreciate you taking the time and doing this for me. Really appreciate your kindness. I posted my DXDIAG that includes all my computer specs. Also, I am located in the Seattle area (WA State) and my ISP is Comcast.
More information: The sound quality is good and there is no sign of choppy audio. My core temperatures with the stream on is 60 degrees Celsius. The thing that bugs me is that the frames per second of the stream is 30 or less. I watch streams everyday but the NASL stream is not "smooth" like the others; it is very choppy. 240P, 360P, or 480P, it does not matter what quality setting I have, it gives me the same choppy result.
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You have a nice gateway notebook, and nice Razer Imperator. XD No problems on the hardware front.
Would you take a screenshot of your Task Manager + Resource manager (as in EDIT in the bottom of OP)?
Thanks for the topic, Im having these issues may have helped a bit but still having some problems using Chrome Pc specs: AMD 3.0 dual core 4gb ddr3 ram windows 7 radeon hd 4850
30 mbs down speed, occasionally i get the video froze on one frame but the sound still works, it fixes itself after like 10 seconds
On April 14 2011 12:15 Lucidity.333 wrote: Thanks for the topic, Im having these issues may have helped a bit but still having some problems using Chrome Pc specs: AMD 3.0 dual core 4gb ddr3 ram windows 7 radeon hd 4850
30 mbs down speed, occasionally i get the video froze on one frame but the sound still works, it fixes itself after like 10 seconds
all help apreciated
You're using Chrome, so you should have last Browser version AND flash version....
PC specs fine...
ISP should handle it...
Could you post a screenshot like I asked in the bottom of the OP? It could point out something you might be missing. And, of course, router make and model would be great as well.
On April 14 2011 11:15 Golgotha wrote: Sir, I truly appreciate you taking the time and doing this for me. Really appreciate your kindness. I posted my DXDIAG that includes all my computer specs. Also, I am located in the Seattle area (WA State) and my ISP is Comcast.
More information: The sound quality is good and there is no sign of choppy audio. My core temperatures with the stream on is 60 degrees Celsius. The thing that bugs me is that the frames per second of the stream is 30 or less. I watch streams everyday but the NASL stream is not "smooth" like the others; it is very choppy. 240P, 360P, or 480P, it does not matter what quality setting I have, it gives me the same choppy result.
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You have a nice gateway notebook, and nice Razer Imperator. XD No problems on the hardware front.
Would you take a screenshot of your Task Manager + Resource manager (as in EDIT in the bottom of OP)?
And could you inform your router make and model?
hehehe thanks! I know my computer can handle easily handle 480p, so that is why it is confusing me!
will do! btw are you getting lag spikes? sometimes it is smooth but once in a while the audio keeps going but the screen freezes. im starting to think this is something not on my side.
lol that chat thing is so weird XD i used popout + on the justintv site i chose to hide chat in the options and now its working perfectly in 1080p! ty a lot for post i was about to just shut it off and only watch vods
On April 14 2011 12:53 Golgotha wrote: will do! btw are you getting lag spikes? sometimes it is smooth but once in a while the audio keeps going but the screen freezes. im starting to think this is something not on my side.
Very rarely since I closed the chat.
With chat open, every time something that makes the chat explode makes the stream implode.
Oh... and right now, right as it goes back live, I don't know why it loads 1080p for me, even though I didn't pay for it. And my lowly 2mbits connection can't handle it, anyway... I have to resize to 480p
I was complaining yesterday at the EU restream and that was unwatchable. Watching the livestream atm and@ 420p and its working perfect. Dont know the reason for that but something was wrong with the restream.
Chat does not cause lag. But if it helps, go ahead and believe that. It has little to no impact on the lag you will have. Other factors are much much more important.
If you're talking about cpu lag, the problem lies with, well, your computer. Not anything to do with your internet or JTV.
This is awesome work. As the eSports team lead at JTV, thank you for putting together such compelling evidence of the performance problem. We will try to fix it so that you can have chat open without hosing your CPU :-)
On April 14 2011 13:26 applejuice wrote: Chat does not cause lag. But if it helps, go ahead and believe that. It has little to no impact on the lag you will have. Other factors are much much more important.
If you're talking about cpu lag, the problem lies with, well, your computer. Not anything to do with your internet or JTV.
Many people say it solves the problem when closed.
On April 14 2011 13:31 sarbandia wrote: This is awesome work. As the eSports team lead at JTV, thank you for putting together such compelling evidence of the performance problem. We will try to fix it so that you can have chat open without hosing your CPU :-)
Thanks!
and if you guys can help us here, we will be really happy.
The problem with the chat, I think, is making too many connections/process calls. I don't have the knowledge to confirm that, but that is my suspicion.
On top of that, you could list any/all ports used by Justin.TV services. Any and all process/network calls and such, so we can approach the problem with more information.
I don't have too much knowledge about these things. All I know is from scouring the internet and my own personal experience (which is not that little, but still).
Even without chat (pop out) it was glitchy on my dual-core Core i3 processor in anything above 480 (utilizing 100% cpu across both cores). My quad-core Core i7 handles it fine however. Never seen a problem with HD on any other streams (or with 1080p video files) so not sure what it is, or if that is even related.
My experiences on two separate computers (one mac, one pc, one on personal cable (12d/4u) and one on university line (alot/alot) suggest that the chat is the culprit. Both computers lagged with the chat open, and both computers ran smoothly with the chat closed.
Jotoco mentioned he has also lags while watching ustream. I'd say he really has some local problem with his PC hardware, software or overall performance.
I, as many others, only have lags and stuttering on Justin.tv. Not all the time but I cannot see any pattern. Looks more or less random favouring streams with higher viewer count.
Even without chat, with popout video, while watching via TL, on every quality setting (yes even 240p), with different browsers, with up to 9% CPU load (~36% on a single core), with only 1/20th of my internet connection speed used etc. You name it, I checked it already. For exampel DH Inv - Justin.tv stuttered all the time. So I switched to this fancy newspaper website and the stream was perfect. Even with both streams open, no issues.
It's just Justin.tv. And this issue isn't that new. Month ago I heard they have problems with their bandwidth for EU viewers, then I read they upgraded it and their performance really got a little better, but still lags and stutters.
I'll keep on reading the 1st posting, hoping for some magical explanation or solution. But I don't see any on the viewers side.
edit: Hm...maybe a poll would help to find out, if there is a region with more lags. Like getting sort of a proof that there are regional problems. Basically to rest in peace, as many wouldn't need to look for a solution any longer.
On April 14 2011 09:12 Baarn wrote: You can also disable hardware acceleration in the flash menu and/or increase cache to improve performance. Just right click on the stream and go to settings to change those things.
I can't wait tomorow to try this ^ Closing the chat help me a little bit but there still some lagg. Ill post a screenshot of my computer like the op ask while the NASL is running. I hope this will help me because i don't know a lot about how a computer work
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get the VODS to load smoother? It looks like I'm buffered about a minute ahead, but I'm getting stutters unless I pause for a few minutes, very frustrating.
On April 14 2011 16:44 shoefly wrote: Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get the VODS to load smoother? It looks like I'm buffered about a minute ahead, but I'm getting stutters unless I pause for a few minutes, very frustrating.
I think that is partially the quality of the vods (c'mon justin give use SQ vods) and also some issues with the justin-europe connectivity. My connection should handle the HQ vods easily but the vods take longer to load than it takes for me to download a dvd
I( was having lag issues the first night and tried all of these things the OP had suggested. I found with the best results for a non laggy 1080p stream.
I had moved the processing for Firefox and from the main 2 cores and i also saw that the process "plugin-container.exe*32" to a different core from what firefox was running on. This cleaned up my lag on the stream considerably, and for good measure I closed all windows open and just left the pop out video window open and I noticed the the stream loaded faster as well if it lagged it was not very long or bad at 1080p.
I hope this helps anyone else who is having issues
On April 15 2011 03:17 InfamousDrizzle wrote: I( was having lag issues the first night and tried all of these things the OP had suggested. I found with the best results for a non laggy 1080p stream.
I had moved the processing for Firefox and from the main 2 cores and i also saw that the process "plugin-container.exe*32" to a different core from what firefox was running on. This cleaned up my lag on the stream considerably, and for good measure I closed all windows open and just left the pop out video window open and I noticed the the stream loaded faster as well if it lagged it was not very long or bad at 1080p.
I hope this helps anyone else who is having issues
Good to know it is helping people.
Quoting and taking the opportunity to bump it, since NASL is starting now and people may need to see this.
And a note to all, keep an eye on the OP, even if you read that before, because I lost count of how many edits I put into it already.
On April 14 2011 16:44 shoefly wrote: Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get the VODS to load smoother? It looks like I'm buffered about a minute ahead, but I'm getting stutters unless I pause for a few minutes, very frustrating.
I think that is partially the quality of the vods (c'mon justin give use SQ vods) and also some issues with the justin-europe connectivity. My connection should handle the HQ vods easily but the vods take longer to load than it takes for me to download a dvd
yea I wish there was SQ VODs. I bought the NASL pass thinking that there were and it's pretty much unwatchable for me =(
On April 15 2011 09:52 dmillz wrote: Is it just me or is a more jumpy tonight then normal? I have never had lag problems before but tonight its verrrry choppy.
On my end the stream seems a bit better quality, mostly audio. So it is taking more bandwidth than usual... May that is it?
I had a weird situation with the NASL day 2 EU broadcast.
At frist, I tuned in and it stuttered and lagged as usual. People were complaining on TL IRC, so I wasn't alone with it. I quit and watched something alse.
Later, I decided to try it again. There was iNcontrol vs Ensnare and it lagged. Suddenly the stream went offline for me. I pressed F5, the stream restarted and it was crystal clear quality. Must have been at least 720p with about 350 KB/s on my traffic meter. Suddenly, at this high quality, the stream went smooth. Everything was fine to the end of the show.
I have no idea what happened and why but it's pretty weird.
On April 15 2011 16:08 (Max 20 chars) wrote: I had a weird situation with the NASL day 2 EU broadcast.
At frist, I tuned in and it stuttered and lagged as usual. People were complaining on TL IRC, so I wasn't alone with it. I quit and watched something alse.
Later, I decided to try it again. There was iNcontrol vs Ensnare and it lagged. Suddenly the stream went offline for me. I pressed F5, the stream restarted and it was crystal clear quality. Must have been at least 720p with about 350 KB/s on my traffic meter. Suddenly, at this high quality, the stream went smooth. Everything was fine to the end of the show.
I have no idea what happened and why but it's pretty weird.
LoL, UStream works perfectly fine for me and Justin.TV sucks for me . Was going to suggest moving to Ustream like the TSL.Since I am probably going to be watching VOD's for the NASL now on.
I'd watch vods if they'd just put up some 480p/720p versions. So far, wasted money in supporting NASL. No reply from them to my support emails either - come on, if you take money from people, you should respond to their emails.
Thank you for posting this, I was so sick of people complaining about lag. I can watch the 1080 stream with absolutely no lag difficulties, however having chat open makes it a bit choppy. People need to explore other options if there stream is lagging. Most of the time it is on the broadcaster's end, but some times it is on the viewers end.
personally, i'd just recommend joining the chat via a normal IRC client. This provides a far better overview of what's going on, and it also uses way less system resources than some weirdo flash plugin in a browser.
for NASL:
open an irc client of your choice
put in your justin.tv account name as /nick <account name>
connect to /server chat2.justin.tv 6667 <password>
join the chat channel using /join #naslseasonone
if the channel joining doesn't work, you should have received a message saying somthing like REDIRECT 199.93.123.292. Then you need to head over to the server given there, just start again at bullet three with /server 199.93.123.292 6667 <password>. Then try /join again, this time it will work for sure.
Example screenshot (me on the channel using xchat):
I am having massive lag issues and just don't know what to do. The more people are watching the stream, the worse the lag is. I am pretty sure it's the chat, even though I don't have the chat I open I think it's connecting me to the chat anyways. Because during down periods it will stream better, then during a big engagement where you'd expect the chat to be more active it locks up completely. I have tried all solutions in the OP and it made zero difference. NASL is at this point with this many people watching completely unwatchably laggy for me. Other streams, especially non-JustinTV streams, are completely 100% fine.
On May 09 2011 11:36 Carbonthief wrote: I am having massive lag issues and just don't know what to do. The more people are watching the stream, the worse the lag is. I am pretty sure it's the chat, even though I don't have the chat I open I think it's connecting me to the chat anyways. Because during down periods it will stream better, then during a big engagement where you'd expect the chat to be more active it locks up completely. I have tried all solutions in the OP and it made zero difference. NASL is at this point with this many people watching completely unwatchably laggy for me. Other streams, especially non-JustinTV streams, are completely 100% fine.
It's not NASL's problem, to be blunt... I stream @ 1080p every day and never so much as hiccup.... what sort of internet connection do you have? I do know that when this topic was made (over a month ago) there WERE some connection issues, but since then they have improved 100x fold.
I watch at full 1080p all the time with next to no lag issues. I don't even have that fast of internet, I live in a very small town so our "high speed" is about half the speed of high speed in the city. It's definitely NOT the NASL.
On May 09 2011 11:36 Carbonthief wrote: I am having massive lag issues and just don't know what to do. The more people are watching the stream, the worse the lag is. I am pretty sure it's the chat, even though I don't have the chat I open I think it's connecting me to the chat anyways. Because during down periods it will stream better, then during a big engagement where you'd expect the chat to be more active it locks up completely. I have tried all solutions in the OP and it made zero difference. NASL is at this point with this many people watching completely unwatchably laggy for me. Other streams, especially non-JustinTV streams, are completely 100% fine.
It's not NASL's problem, to be blunt... I stream @ 1080p every day and never so much as hiccup.... what sort of internet connection do you have? I do know that when this topic was made (over a month ago) there WERE some connection issues, but since then they have improved 100x fold.
I have either the fastest or second fastest connection my ISP offers. I don't know the exact bandwidth, but it has been more than suffice for, oh, just, every other stream on the entire internet except the NASL.
And it streams NASL just fine alot of the time, until something big happens in a game like a big engagement, and then it locks up to hell.
On May 09 2011 11:56 dmillz wrote: I watch at full 1080p all the time with next to no lag issues. I don't even have that fast of internet, I live in a very small town so our "high speed" is about half the speed of high speed in the city. It's definitely NOT the NASL.
Having this issue bigtime. Stream is choppy. Connection freezes frequently. Biggest and most prevalent problem is the video will freeze and audio will continue, every few seconds. I get this issue with all justin.tv streams, whether or not they have many viewers. I do not get this issue on other streaming sites like livestream. Very frustrating considering the SC world has switched over to justin.tv it seems... please help!
-I have changed quality to 240p. -I do not have hardware acceleration enabled. Makes no difference. -I do not have chat open. Makes no difference. -I use pop-out stream. Makes no difference. -I have tried switching between wired and wireless internet. makes no difference. -I am not sure which process to change the affinity for. I have tried Firefox.exe. I have tried plugin-container.exe too, because it uses most CPU during streaming. -Stream connection rarely freezes if stream is in background, minimized or covered by either programs. -At some times, for a few minutes at a time, I get no problems at 240p. Problems return in full force at 480p. I really hate the quality at 240p…
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ASUS Notebook G73jh Series Windows 7 Home Premium Service Pack 1 Intel® Core™ i7 CPU Q 720 @ 1.60GHz 1.60 GHz 8.00GB RAM 64-bit Operating System
Assuming this is the speed you are paying for, its pretty tough to stream video, even at a relatively low quality with this connection. It seems like a bandwidth issue straight up to me.
for some people, it could just be the routing of jtv to your isp. i know i had a lagging problem before and then i email emmett from jtv my ip address (he told us in a teamliquid thread to email him and he would see about the routing) and in like 2 days my streams were lag free. he never did reply to say if he did anything or not, but it would be one hell of a coincidence if it wasnt him.
When I'm watching NASL in full screen, my screen flickers like this. About 1 every 50 frames or something, it looks something like this: + Show Spoiler +
(it's hard to take a screenshot at the exact same frame of the flickering, because it's random.) It doesn't lag at all. It's just random black bars flickering constantly. - Only happens on justin.tv. Other flash videos at full screen work fine (even 720p youtube videos). - Reducing resolution to minimum in justin.tv, doesn't seem to help anything - Happens on all justin.tv videos, but is MUCH worse on NASL. - I don't have chat loaded, watching from TL streams page. - Resources seem to be fine. CPU at about ~60% use, memory at almost 30%
Here's a pic of resource monitor (couldn't take screenshot at fullscreen, but it shows a graph of history of the last minute which was all in full screen) + Show Spoiler +
Not sure if this helps, or if ti was a coincidence, but hopefully this might be helpfull to someone.
I was having bad lag issues with both the 1080p stream and the VODs. I haven't gotten to check stream yet (I'll try to check tomorow during the restream so I don't have to wiat til lwednesday to know) but I was trying to fix the lag with the VODs just now. I tried the things listed in the OP and they didn't really seem to work. But I then found above the core affinity, "set priority" And by changing priority from normal to high the lag suddenly went away. Not sure if this is helpfull at all, and like I said I will test this tomorow with the restream and get back on weather or not that fixed the stream as well. But it fixed the VOD lag, while nothing else seems to have before for me.
On May 23 2011 13:30 hunts wrote: Not sure if this helps, or if ti was a coincidence, but hopefully this might be helpfull to someone.
I was having bad lag issues with both the 1080p stream and the VODs. I haven't gotten to check stream yet (I'll try to check tomorow during the restream so I don't have to wiat til lwednesday to know) but I was trying to fix the lag with the VODs just now. I tried the things listed in the OP and they didn't really seem to work. But I then found above the core affinity, "set priority" And by changing priority from normal to high the lag suddenly went away. Not sure if this is helpfull at all, and like I said I will test this tomorow with the restream and get back on weather or not that fixed the stream as well. But it fixed the VOD lag, while nothing else seems to have before for me.
Assuming this is the speed you are paying for, its pretty tough to stream video, even at a relatively low quality with this connection. It seems like a bandwidth issue straight up to me.
I got back into SC2 and started watching justin.tv streams about a week ago. This is when the problems arose, and prompted me to start using speedtest.net. According to it, I've had ~4.0 Mbps download speed for the last week. I don't know if this is the speed being paid for. I'm home from college at my parents house. Everything else is working fine... streams on other sites, SC2, downloads, webpages load instantly, etc. From what I recall watching justin.tv streams back in November/December, I never had a problem. =(
for some people, it could just be the routing of jtv to your isp. i know i had a lagging problem before and then i email emmett from jtv my ip address (he told us in a teamliquid thread to email him and he would see about the routing) and in like 2 days my streams were lag free. he never did reply to say if he did anything or not, but it would be one hell of a coincidence if it wasnt him.
I don't know if you can help me out or not but I'm actually having a problem with the VoDs that actually seem like stream issues.
When I try to play the VoDs from JTV for NASL they come out pretty much slideshow-like and are just completely unwatchable. The weird thing is that the audio comes out just fine. I'm not sure if my computer just can't handle it or what. I've tried using a different browser, popping out the window, setting priority to high, and assigning firefox to the last 2 of my 8 cores with no luck. Oh and I know my internet is not that great so I don't watch the stream in 1080 but I do let the VoDs buffer I would think that would take care of it since there are no stuttering problems with the audio just the video.
Anyways here's my specs
Operating System: Windows Vista™ Ultimate Service Pack 2 Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz (8 CPUs), ~2.7GHz Memory: 3062MB RAM Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+
I've always had issues with JTV. Or well, I have issues with it when too many europeans are watching. The times I've tuned into NASL during the US broadcast it has been really smooth at 1080p but when its time for the EU broadcast I cant even watch at 240p so I'll just continue to wait for JTV to fix their stuff. There are no issues on my end.
For me- I get bad lag on JTV, but if i lower the quality and make sure the chat is not visible everything is perfect. It took me way to long to discover these fixes, im a bit embarrased by it
TL;TR on OP:Justin.tv's chat implementation is retarded.
Justin seems to be AWESOME for most (multiple quality stream!) but with bandwith issues to many Europeans, once they fix that (and the chat.. wtf) it will be THE service to stream on. Justin.tv is probably working on their support for Europe. But for now at late nights all the justin streams suddenly become unwatchable in over 480p for me. Not hardware nor ISP issue.
On May 23 2011 19:53 neo_sporin wrote: For me- I get bad lag on JTV, but if i lower the quality and make sure the chat is not visible everything is perfect. It took me way to long to discover these fixes, im a bit embarrased by it
You shouldn't have to. I don't get how a chat can be this memory and cpu intensive. I really dont..
On May 23 2011 12:29 Nairul wrote: Having this issue bigtime. Stream is choppy. Connection freezes frequently. Biggest and most prevalent problem is the video will freeze and audio will continue, every few seconds. I get this issue with all justin.tv streams, whether or not they have many viewers. I do not get this issue on other streaming sites like livestream. Very frustrating considering the SC world has switched over to justin.tv it seems... please help!
-I have changed quality to 240p. -I do not have hardware acceleration enabled. Makes no difference. -I do not have chat open. Makes no difference. -I use pop-out stream. Makes no difference. -I have tried switching between wired and wireless internet. makes no difference. -I am not sure which process to change the affinity for. I have tried Firefox.exe. I have tried plugin-container.exe too, because it uses most CPU during streaming. -Stream connection rarely freezes if stream is in background, minimized or covered by either programs. -At some times, for a few minutes at a time, I get no problems at 240p. Problems return in full force at 480p. I really hate the quality at 240p…
SPECS
ASUS Notebook G73jh Series Windows 7 Home Premium Service Pack 1 Intel® Core™ i7 CPU Q 720 @ 1.60GHz 1.60 GHz 8.00GB RAM 64-bit Operating System
It doesn't lag for me even with the same specs and down clocked to match what you have ( also i7 nehalem, not i5 SB ) + multiple things running in the background
And for some reason, the 240p would lag, but the 480p doesn't lag... I have another computer closer to the one in the OP, but still much older Core2 ( and multiple things running in the background )( Conroe ) and it doesn't lag on justintv while he's on the Phenom II ( it's slower than the penryn even if it had slightly higher frequency )
If anything, his internet seems to be the issue...
Just tested earlier today with the NALS restream, and no lag for me. so far that setting its priority to high is what fixed it for me, so maybe it will for some others too.
On May 23 2011 12:29 Nairul wrote: Having this issue bigtime. Stream is choppy. Connection freezes frequently. Biggest and most prevalent problem is the video will freeze and audio will continue, every few seconds. I get this issue with all justin.tv streams, whether or not they have many viewers. I do not get this issue on other streaming sites like livestream. Very frustrating considering the SC world has switched over to justin.tv it seems... please help!
-I have changed quality to 240p. -I do not have hardware acceleration enabled. Makes no difference. -I do not have chat open. Makes no difference. -I use pop-out stream. Makes no difference. -I have tried switching between wired and wireless internet. makes no difference. -I am not sure which process to change the affinity for. I have tried Firefox.exe. I have tried plugin-container.exe too, because it uses most CPU during streaming. -Stream connection rarely freezes if stream is in background, minimized or covered by either programs. -At some times, for a few minutes at a time, I get no problems at 240p. Problems return in full force at 480p. I really hate the quality at 240p…
SPECS
ASUS Notebook G73jh Series Windows 7 Home Premium Service Pack 1 Intel® Core™ i7 CPU Q 720 @ 1.60GHz 1.60 GHz 8.00GB RAM 64-bit Operating System
It doesn't lag for me even with the same specs and down clocked to match what you have ( also i7 nehalem, not i5 SB ) + multiple things running in the background
And for some reason, the 240p would lag, but the 480p doesn't lag... I have another computer closer to the one in the OP, but still much older Core2 ( and multiple things running in the background )( Conroe ) and it doesn't lag on justintv while he's on the Phenom II ( it's slower than the penryn even if it had slightly higher frequency )
If anything, his internet seems to be the issue...
If my internet is the issue, why do streams for me work perfectly on other streaming sites?
Sigh, I feel like I've tried everything. My internet has even been improving lately... DL speed is up to 10 mbps and upload to 2 mbps. The lag on this NASL Day 7-2 Stream makes it unwatchable...
One thing just came to mind... isn't JTV supposed to have lots of ads? I've disabled adblocker and I'm still not seeing ANY ads or popups whatsoever... could this have something to do with my lag?
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should help alot of people with the lag issues, as for chat i guess we can always use irc =)![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KggmO.jpg)
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