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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
September 15 2010 02:33 GMT
#21
1. Install latest Nvidia drivers
2. Check temperatures of your hardware (GPU) under load
3. Your voltages are fine. 12V is getting a bit low, but that shouldn't the problem here.
4. Give SC2 a higher priority in task manager.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
denzelz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States604 Posts
September 15 2010 03:27 GMT
#22
What about your hard drive? The Caviar Greens have a decent buffer 32MB but it only runs at 5200RPM. I bet that's your problem. Try upgrading to a faster 7200RPM drive and you should see improvements. Even though you have a lot of RAM, I'm guessing your system is still running a pagefile so that means it is accessing your HD a lot during your games as well.

Just a guess here since the rest of your components are beastly
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
September 15 2010 03:42 GMT
#23
Hard drive has nothing to do with frame rates
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Doko
Profile Joined May 2010
Argentina1737 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 07:04:13
September 15 2010 07:04 GMT
#24
If you have a network card available try disabling the onboard one.
Chaosquo
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany154 Posts
September 15 2010 07:23 GMT
#25
On September 15 2010 10:38 Melancholia wrote:
Also, you should get a GHz reading while running SC2, I had a problem that seems similar that turned out to be because my CPU was being throttled.

On a side note, if hertz are cycles per second and RPM is rotations per minute, shouldn't a 2.8 GHz processor have 168000000 RPM? I know my interpretation must be wrong, but this seems to run against what makes sense intuitively.


Afaik, the rpm number the ASUS probe displays is for the CPU fan.
NeVeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1352 Posts
September 15 2010 07:28 GMT
#26
With that kind of a system, why would you not opt for a 64-bit OS?
Melancholia
Profile Joined March 2010
United States717 Posts
September 15 2010 07:56 GMT
#27
On September 15 2010 16:23 Chaosquo wrote:
Afaik, the rpm number the ASUS probe displays is for the CPU fan.

Ah. Well, we don't need that.
Draken
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada61 Posts
September 15 2010 08:51 GMT
#28
Before wasting your time with anything else, try to OC your processor.

I remember seeing some benchmarks of different processors / video cards running SC2, and in this case i would say the bottleneck is your processor. In fact I am pretty sure of it.

2.8 is good for 1680x1200 and such, but for 1900x it is a bit at the limit of what is necessary to run the game smoothly on high. The video card is fine, just overclock your processor to 3.5ish and you should see a clear difference.
NathanSC
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States620 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 09:19:19
September 15 2010 09:14 GMT
#29
On September 15 2010 17:51 Draken wrote:
Before wasting your time with anything else, try to OC your processor.

I remember seeing some benchmarks of different processors / video cards running SC2, and in this case i would say the bottleneck is your processor. In fact I am pretty sure of it.

2.8 is good for 1680x1200 and such, but for 1900x it is a bit at the limit of what is necessary to run the game smoothly on high. The video card is fine, just overclock your processor to 3.5ish and you should see a clear difference.

Starcraft 2 sees little benefit in frame rate beyond 2 cores. His processor is a quad core.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/08/18/how-many-cpu-cores-does-starcraft-2-use/2

Besides, the engine for Starcraft 2 only uses the CPU for physics. The rest is the GPU. Overclocking, while an option, is not the likely solution. The only circumstance I'd be inclined to agree that overclocking is the solution is if Starcraft 2 only has affinity with 2 cores, which I haven't read anywhere yet.

Research into overclocking shows the opposite is true, and you gain very little benefit in terms of FPS.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/08/18/how-many-cpu-cores-does-starcraft-2-use/3
Draken
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada61 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 10:32:33
September 15 2010 10:12 GMT
#30
Don't think in terms of benefits, but in term of limitation.

Yes SC2 don't take advantage of multicore beyond 2, you will get more performance from a dual 3.4 than a quad 2.8, and this is exactly why OCing efficient (when the processor is the bottleneck), because ultimately all that matters is the speed and not the number of processors. The solution is to OC to a higher speed.
Phayze
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2029 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 10:50:08
September 15 2010 10:49 GMT
#31
For the record, you are using dual channel ram, on a 32bit Operating system that only supports 3.25 GB of ram. So for one, one of your sticks of ram isnt being used, and two, the second stick in that set is working single channel. This may be causing severe conflicts with ram timing and probably is the reason you are having such trouble. I would recommend clocking down the ram (800Mhz) if you are going to continue using 32bit OS with 4gb of ram or just upgrade to 64bit. I personally had no troubles running 4gb on 32bit OS after clocking my 800Mhz OCZ gold down a notch, but that could have just been instability with 800Mhz ram and my motherboard.
Proud member of the LGA-1366 Core-i7 4Ghz Club
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 11:14:45
September 15 2010 11:13 GMT
#32
What FPS are you getting? i believe ctrl-alt-f shows your FPS in starcraft2, also try disabling some settings that can cause severe performance issues for some setups like VSYNC. Make sure you are not confusing computer problems with network problems> freeze followed by speedup = network problem.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 12:47:44
September 15 2010 12:45 GMT
#33
You have the same specs like mine, only the CPU is different(i5-750). SC2 is CPU intensive and only uses 2 cores.

Try Overclocking your CPU to 3.4 and it should make a difference. Should run on Ultra without low FPS.
TechDeft
Profile Joined August 2010
United States211 Posts
September 15 2010 14:30 GMT
#34
It still may be PSU problems. PSU problems can be funky. You may also have some small scale electrostatic damage.

Easy question...you plugged your GPU's auxillary power in right?
Toyomaha
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States144 Posts
September 15 2010 14:33 GMT
#35
I have a similar build to your PC (I've got the 955BE instead of the 925) and I'm running w7x32 and am not experiencing any problems with this OS. However, I originally had an Nvidia card in my build and it just didn't jive with the AMD. So, I returned that card and installed an ATI and now it runs like a champ (knock on wood).
Also, I was having issues with my RAM and I ran the Windows Memory Diagnostic and it failed. I would run it just in case and make sure that your memory is fine.
These are just 2 problems I had that may be helpful to you b/c they sound somewhat similar to the issues you are having. Good luck!
www.starcraftutah.blogspot.com
Providence
Profile Joined May 2010
United States125 Posts
September 15 2010 15:08 GMT
#36
I'm starting to wonder if it's the AMD processor. My brother has the same issue with his pc, get huge dips in fps during large engagements even on low setting (same issue whether on low or ultra settings), yet my laptop with an intel processor (inferior in every way to his comp build) is able to play steadily even in max supply 4v4 games. From what I'm seeing, the only common denominator is that it's an AMD processor. I also have a desktop which uses a GTX 260, same as his, but mine still works very well.

I did recently go from 4gb to 8gb, where oddly the only improvement I see was in the campaign premission screens on the hyperion. So odd how SC2 works.
The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is. - Winston Churchill
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 15:38:36
September 15 2010 15:32 GMT
#37
This is weird. Your PC can easily crushed SC2 in High if not all Ultra. If you just bought it, why didnt you go for a GTX460.
I just build a new PC as well( 4 days ago) similar spec as yours only with a Phenom II X4 965 and a GTX 460 and I'm play above 60fps all the time at Ultra setting.
What I suggest now is: Format the hard disk, install a fresh version of Win7 (32 or 64 doesnt matter).
Install all the lastest driver for your hardware
Then If it still lag, you may want to borrow your friend's graphic card and try it on your system.
I cant think of any problems beside unstable graphic card and software problem( that's why your need a format).
Its not the process for sure. Blizzard is famous of making beautiful game with least demanding hardware and the Phenom II is a powerful CPU.

Edit: My specs in case you need a reference.
Same MB as you ASUS 870TD....
Phenom II X4 965
Asus GTX 460 1GB
1TB Western Digital 6GB/s Sata 3 (forget the exact name so I put some info of my HD on)
4GB RAM DDR3
Win 7 Ultimate 64bit
Terran
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
September 15 2010 15:48 GMT
#38
I wish people wouldn't rely on only one tech site to base their conclusions on. Bit-tech has good intentions, but like the other sites (guru3d, legionHW, HWCanucks, Techspot, PCGameHW, Anandtech) - they all use different settings for their benchmarks. You _must_ judge each benchmark differently and appropriately when you are drawing conclusions from their results.

They use 1v7 AI with "several dozen units". They article also calls their settings "Very High" when they should have gone into more detail if the settings were Ultra or High, shaders, shadows, etc. Again Bit-tech, much like Guru3D, is not very transparent about their settings. Also they do not mention creep highways, motherships, water maps, air units (shadows), or anything else that would put their benchmark in context.

The few sites that did do CPU overclocking (LegionHW, PCGameHW, and especially Techspot) - all show very good gains for CPU overclocking. The other thing to note is that Bit-Tech is doing 2-core vs. 4-core on Gulf-town chip. If they wanted relevant, real-world results they should have compared either Clarkdales or Wolfdales, which are the best dual-core chips on the market. If they had tested with either of those, their conclusions at least would have had some merit - but since they "synthesized" a 2-core (out of a true 6-core Gulftown), then really their benchmark is not really meaningful.

They are other more suspect lines in that article like this:
We used an Intel Core i7-980X to maximise the core count available, but we disabled Hyper-threading and power saving states. A Hyper-threading core is not a 'real' core, it's just a piece of software trickery that opens up 'what's left' of the available CPU pipeline so could easily have created inconsistencies in our tests. We ran the game entirely run from the hard disk - no slower optical media was involved.


Why in the world are they bringing up optical media? I'm mean wow, how far as bit-tech fallen?
With no power comes no responsibility?
Doko
Profile Joined May 2010
Argentina1737 Posts
September 15 2010 17:52 GMT
#39
could be the cool 'n quiet messing up.

Do amd cpus still need the dual core fix shit installed?
TechDeft
Profile Joined August 2010
United States211 Posts
September 15 2010 18:29 GMT
#40
On September 16 2010 00:08 Providence wrote:
I'm starting to wonder if it's the AMD processor. My brother has the same issue with his pc, get huge dips in fps during large engagements even on low setting (same issue whether on low or ultra settings), yet my laptop with an intel processor (inferior in every way to his comp build) is able to play steadily even in max supply 4v4 games. From what I'm seeing, the only common denominator is that it's an AMD processor. I also have a desktop which uses a GTX 260, same as his, but mine still works very well.

I did recently go from 4gb to 8gb, where oddly the only improvement I see was in the campaign premission screens on the hyperion. So odd how SC2 works.

I run an AMD Phenom II x4. No problems here.
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