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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 20:57:18
March 09 2012 20:51 GMT
#19421
On March 10 2012 05:29 TheMooseHeed wrote:

Unfortunately after looking the HAF non-plus version doesn't seem to be on amazon.


That's why skyR recommended the Merc Alpha. It's a better value in Europe (better than the 912 Plus, of course; some might argue that the extra fans on the 912 plus might be worth it but I don't trust CoolerMaster's crappy fans; I replaced the stock 120mm's on my HAF 912).

If you wanted some slightly nicer alternatives to the Merc Alpha you could get the Bitfenix Shinobi or Fractal Design Core 3000 but it sounds like cost is a concern to you. I would go for one of those just because there's a dust filter on the front panel intake fans, but I think you still need to remove the front panel to access it for cleaning. Not sure if any budget cases have it removable by clips underneath the front panel instead of having to remove the whole thing.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
March 09 2012 20:57 GMT
#19422
On March 10 2012 05:51 Wabbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 05:29 TheMooseHeed wrote:

Unfortunately after looking the HAF non-plus version doesn't seem to be on amazon.


That's why skyR recommended the Merc Alpha. It's a better value in Europe.


I know its silly but I like the look of the HAF more ^^
''Swarm hosts are the worst thing in the world, I mean terrorism is pretty bad but swarmhosts are worse'' IdrA on ZvZ
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 21:01:16
March 09 2012 20:58 GMT
#19423
On March 10 2012 05:57 TheMooseHeed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 05:51 Wabbit wrote:
On March 10 2012 05:29 TheMooseHeed wrote:

Unfortunately after looking the HAF non-plus version doesn't seem to be on amazon.


That's why skyR recommended the Merc Alpha. It's a better value in Europe.


I know its silly but I like the look of the HAF more ^^


I'll trade you my HAF 912 >< I'd love a Shinobi instead, white preferrably.

EDIT: You may like the NZXT Tempest 210 better then : http://www.ebuyer.com/327897-nzxt-tempest-210-case-ca-tp210-01

EDIT #2: Or the InWin Mana also comes to mind, similar "styling" to the HAF 912.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
March 09 2012 21:06 GMT
#19424
On March 10 2012 05:57 TheMooseHeed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 05:51 Wabbit wrote:
On March 10 2012 05:29 TheMooseHeed wrote:

Unfortunately after looking the HAF non-plus version doesn't seem to be on amazon.


That's why skyR recommended the Merc Alpha. It's a better value in Europe.


I know its silly but I like the look of the HAF more ^^


If you order from hardwareversand it will work out cheaper.

€187.76 - Intel Core i5-2500K Box, LGA1155
€86.69 - ASRock Z68 Pro3 Gen3, Sockel 1155, ATX
€32.63 - 8GB-Kit G.Skill PC3-10667U CL9
€145.55 - HIS HD 6870 Fan GDDR5 1024MB HDMI/DP/2xDVI
€69.99 - Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB, SATA II (HD502HJ)
€31.88 - Xigmatek Asgard II Midi Tower - black/silver, ohne Netzteil
€40.95 - Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 450W
€15.95 - Samsung SH-222AB bare schwarz SATA
Total build cost: €611.40 + €20 shipping

Works out as about 530 pounds at current exchange rate. You can change the case to a different one if you'd prefer, they have a pretty large range:

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articlesearch.jsp?agid=375&search.sKey=&rp=0&gp=1

Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
March 09 2012 21:12 GMT
#19425
The Asgard II is pretty crappy though. The front looks nice (like brushed aluminum) but:
- no cable management
- top-mounted PSU
- tool-less mechanism for expansion cards, HDD's, and optical drives are all pretty bad.
- it's pretty flimsy, poorly constructed overall
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
March 09 2012 21:22 GMT
#19426
On March 10 2012 06:12 Wabbit wrote:
The Asgard II is pretty crappy though. The front looks nice (like brushed aluminum) but:
- no cable management
- top-mounted PSU
- tool-less mechanism for expansion cards, HDD's, and optical drives are all pretty bad.
- it's pretty flimsy, poorly constructed overall


Yeah its just a placeholder case. He did say he wanted something more like the HAF 912.
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 21:51:41
March 09 2012 21:24 GMT
#19427
Ok after the great advice here is my revised build. After looking over the different cases I find the Shinobi growing on me so I will get that

CPU- Intel Sandybridge i5-2400 Core i5 Quad-Core Processor
MotherBoard- Asrock H61M-VS Micro-ATX Motherboard
GPU- Asus 1GB GeForce GTX 560TI DirectCUII PCI-E Graphics Card
PSU- Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 450W
Ram- 8GB-Kit G.Skill PC3-10667U CL9
Operating System- Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit (SB-Version)
CASE- BitFenix Shinobi Midi-Tower black Window
HDD- Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB, SATA II (HD502HJ)
DVD- Samsung 22x SATA DVD Writer - Black (Bare Drive Only)

Totals around £600
''Swarm hosts are the worst thing in the world, I mean terrorism is pretty bad but swarmhosts are worse'' IdrA on ZvZ
Badgesc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France111 Posts
March 10 2012 20:19 GMT
#19428
Hello guys,
I need a build for a friend of mine who wants to shell out €500. We both live in France.

His screen resolution should be 1920x1080 and basically what he does with his computer is to play LoL. No overclocking, no OS.

This is what I came up with so far: (thanks to the previous poster for his template)
CPU- Intel Core i3 2100 / 3,1 GHz - LGA1155 Socket - L3 3 Mo - Box €106,48
Motherboard- ASRock - P67 PRO3 Intel P67 - 1155 Socket No idea what chipset to use -- Format has to be ATX €94.89
GPU- Asus - ENGTX560 DC/2DI/1GD5 €171,66
PSU-
Ram-
Case-
HDD- Samsung - SpinPoint F3 Desktop Class 500go €79,75
DVD-


Total already amounts to €452.78, so I think lower end components will have to be used.
Thanks for your help.
Shadowfax
Profile Joined March 2012
Denmark44 Posts
March 10 2012 20:19 GMT
#19429
Hello there! I am looking to build a computer and this is what i have so far:

Intel® Core™ i7-2600 Processor (3.40GHz, 8MB)
12288 MB (2 x 4 GB/2 x 2 GB) DDR3 Dual Channel-Memory 1333 MHz
Windows 7 home Premium (64bit)
2 TB, RAID Stripe (2 x 1 TB, 7.200 RPM)
AMD Radeon™ HD 6770 1 GB DDR5-Graphics card OR NVIDIA® GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1.25GB GDDR5 Graphics Card
ST2220L 21.5” full HD
Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Music-sound card

I would love to get some feedback or improvements on this system!

What is your budget?
About 2000 usd

What is your resolution?
I will be using two monitors, my main is ST2220L 21.5” full HD 16: 9.

What are you using it for?
I will be using it mainly for Starcraft 2. I want to be able to stream at 720p/1080p, with web cam and mic and a good framerate nomater what happens in game with graphics on max.

What is your upgrade cycle?
I have a relatively slow upgrade cycle and would have this pc 2+ years.

When do you plan on building it?
I plan on ordering and building it in April

Do you plan on overclocking?
I dont know enough about overclocking atm, so no (advice is welcome but not necessary)

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I don't know enough about adding a second GPU either
Follow me on Twitter @ShadowfaxSC. I have some cool stuff in the pipe works and be one of the first to find out!
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 21:29:03
March 10 2012 20:26 GMT
#19430
On March 11 2012 05:19 Badgesc wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hello guys,
I need a build for a friend of mine who wants to shell out €500. We both live in France.

His screen resolution should be 1920x1080 and basically what he does with his computer is to play LoL. No overclocking, no OS.

This is what I came up with so far: (thanks to the previous poster for his template)
CPU- Intel Core i3 2100 / 3,1 GHz - LGA1155 Socket - L3 3 Mo - Box €106,48
Motherboard- ASRock - P67 PRO3 Intel P67 - 1155 Socket No idea what chipset to use -- Format has to be ATX €94.89
GPU- Asus - ENGTX560 DC/2DI/1GD5 €171,66
PSU-
Ram-
Case-
HDD- Samsung - SpinPoint F3 Desktop Class 500go €79,75
DVD-


Total already amounts to €452.78, so I think lower end components will have to be used.
Thanks for your help.

To save the guys having to give the same advice over and over ^^

On March 10 2012 05:18 Myrmidon wrote:
P67 and Z68 motherboards are for overclocking. You can pick something a lot cheaper if you won't do that, particularly if you don't need 4 RAM slots / SATA3 / USB3 / other things.

On March 09 2012 10:23 Nabutso wrote:
If you aren't OCing, you want an h67/61 mobo


If you need to keep the budget low then this ram is fine
Ram- 8GB-Kit G.Skill PC3-10667U CL9

DVD- There are tons of cheap ones on amazon. Samsung 22x SATA DVD Writer - Black (Bare Drive Only)

Cases- HAF 912, Merc Alpha, Bitfenix Shinobi or Fractal Design Core 3000 are all pretty nice its up to you

Also I found during investigating my build you can get most of the components cheaper on http://www2.hardwareversand.de. I saved around £30-40 on my build
''Swarm hosts are the worst thing in the world, I mean terrorism is pretty bad but swarmhosts are worse'' IdrA on ZvZ
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
March 11 2012 00:38 GMT
#19431
Just a quick question about possible GPU's. Is it worth getting a Asus GTX-560ti or save £35 and get a hd 6870?
''Swarm hosts are the worst thing in the world, I mean terrorism is pretty bad but swarmhosts are worse'' IdrA on ZvZ
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
March 11 2012 00:50 GMT
#19432
On March 11 2012 09:38 TheMooseHeed wrote:
Just a quick question about possible GPU's. Is it worth getting a Asus GTX-560ti or save £35 and get a hd 6870?


is the performance gain worth the price to you? if yes then get it.
<3 Kim Taeyeon
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
March 11 2012 01:12 GMT
#19433
On March 11 2012 09:50 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 09:38 TheMooseHeed wrote:
Just a quick question about possible GPU's. Is it worth getting a Asus GTX-560ti or save £35 and get a hd 6870?


is the performance gain worth the price to you? if yes then get it.


Well it depends on what kind of performance gain I would see with it
''Swarm hosts are the worst thing in the world, I mean terrorism is pretty bad but swarmhosts are worse'' IdrA on ZvZ
Pusekatten
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway234 Posts
March 11 2012 01:28 GMT
#19434
On March 11 2012 10:12 TheMooseHeed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 09:50 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
On March 11 2012 09:38 TheMooseHeed wrote:
Just a quick question about possible GPU's. Is it worth getting a Asus GTX-560ti or save £35 and get a hd 6870?


is the performance gain worth the price to you? if yes then get it.


Well it depends on what kind of performance gain I would see with it

nVidia GeForce GTX 560ti - http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-560-ti-review
AMD Radeo HD 6870 - http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-review
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
March 11 2012 01:41 GMT
#19435
On March 11 2012 10:28 Pusekatten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 10:12 TheMooseHeed wrote:
On March 11 2012 09:50 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
On March 11 2012 09:38 TheMooseHeed wrote:
Just a quick question about possible GPU's. Is it worth getting a Asus GTX-560ti or save £35 and get a hd 6870?


is the performance gain worth the price to you? if yes then get it.


Well it depends on what kind of performance gain I would see with it

nVidia GeForce GTX 560ti - http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-560-ti-review
AMD Radeo HD 6870 - http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-review


Thanks that was really helpful. Also HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! ^^
''Swarm hosts are the worst thing in the world, I mean terrorism is pretty bad but swarmhosts are worse'' IdrA on ZvZ
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 01:58:54
March 11 2012 01:53 GMT
#19436
On March 11 2012 05:19 Shadowfax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hello there! I am looking to build a computer and this is what i have so far:

Intel® Core™ i7-2600 Processor (3.40GHz, 8MB)
12288 MB (2 x 4 GB/2 x 2 GB) DDR3 Dual Channel-Memory 1333 MHz
Windows 7 home Premium (64bit)
2 TB, RAID Stripe (2 x 1 TB, 7.200 RPM)
AMD Radeon™ HD 6770 1 GB DDR5-Graphics card OR NVIDIA® GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1.25GB GDDR5 Graphics Card
ST2220L 21.5” full HD
Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Music-sound card

I would love to get some feedback or improvements on this system!

What is your budget?
About 2000 usd

What is your resolution?
I will be using two monitors, my main is ST2220L 21.5” full HD 16: 9.

What are you using it for?
I will be using it mainly for Starcraft 2. I want to be able to stream at 720p/1080p, with web cam and mic and a good framerate nomater what happens in game with graphics on max.

What is your upgrade cycle?
I have a relatively slow upgrade cycle and would have this pc 2+ years.

When do you plan on building it?
I plan on ordering and building it in April

Do you plan on overclocking?
I dont know enough about overclocking atm, so no (advice is welcome but not necessary)

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I don't know enough about adding a second GPU either


It's pointless to plan now if you aren't buying for another month.

I'm not sure why you're deciding between two cards that are vastly different in pricing. The 6770 is ~$100 while a GTX 560 Ti is ~$220. If all you care about is Starcraft II, I'd get a Radeon HD6850 instead.

I'm not sure why you're getting a 2x4gb kit and then a 2x2gb kit. You might as well just buy a 4x4gb kit or two 2x4gb kits.

If you want a good FPS regardless of scenario, you are going to be required to overclock... since Starcraft II is a very CPU intensive game.

You're missing a power supply, motherboard, and case.
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
March 11 2012 02:06 GMT
#19437
On March 11 2012 10:53 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 05:19 Shadowfax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hello there! I am looking to build a computer and this is what i have so far:

Intel® Core™ i7-2600 Processor (3.40GHz, 8MB)
12288 MB (2 x 4 GB/2 x 2 GB) DDR3 Dual Channel-Memory 1333 MHz
Windows 7 home Premium (64bit)
2 TB, RAID Stripe (2 x 1 TB, 7.200 RPM)
AMD Radeon™ HD 6770 1 GB DDR5-Graphics card OR NVIDIA® GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1.25GB GDDR5 Graphics Card
ST2220L 21.5” full HD
Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Music-sound card

I would love to get some feedback or improvements on this system!

What is your budget?
About 2000 usd

What is your resolution?
I will be using two monitors, my main is ST2220L 21.5” full HD 16: 9.

What are you using it for?
I will be using it mainly for Starcraft 2. I want to be able to stream at 720p/1080p, with web cam and mic and a good framerate nomater what happens in game with graphics on max.

What is your upgrade cycle?
I have a relatively slow upgrade cycle and would have this pc 2+ years.

When do you plan on building it?
I plan on ordering and building it in April

Do you plan on overclocking?
I dont know enough about overclocking atm, so no (advice is welcome but not necessary)

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I don't know enough about adding a second GPU either


It's pointless to plan now if you aren't buying for another month.

I'm not sure why you're deciding between two cards that are vastly different in pricing. The 6770 is ~$100 while a GTX 560 Ti is ~$220. If all you care about is Starcraft II, I'd get a Radeon HD6850 instead.

I'm not sure why you're getting a 2x4gb kit and then a 2x2gb kit. You might as well just buy a 4x4gb kit or two 2x4gb kits.

If you want a good FPS regardless of scenario, you are going to be required to overclock... since Starcraft II is a very CPU intensive game.

You're missing a power supply, motherboard, and case.


I dont plan on buying my components until mid next month but I wanted to clue myself up well before then. Will that much have changed by then?
''Swarm hosts are the worst thing in the world, I mean terrorism is pretty bad but swarmhosts are worse'' IdrA on ZvZ
pfff
Profile Joined May 2004
Belgium1352 Posts
March 11 2012 02:14 GMT
#19438
guys, normal question after 972 pages, looking for a cheap set (running an expensive gaming laptop right now + a laptop from work, looking for a desktop) that can run skyrym at the least (brothers birthday present :-) ) and hopefully pull me through the next 3 years of Mobas, bioware rpgs and blizzard rtses, budget is not really a problem but would prefer like 600-800 euros cuz its gaming isnt really my focus hehe, thanks in advance
It ain’t no sin to be glad you’re alive
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 11 2012 02:24 GMT
#19439
On March 11 2012 11:06 TheMooseHeed wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On March 11 2012 10:53 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 05:19 Shadowfax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hello there! I am looking to build a computer and this is what i have so far:

Intel® Core™ i7-2600 Processor (3.40GHz, 8MB)
12288 MB (2 x 4 GB/2 x 2 GB) DDR3 Dual Channel-Memory 1333 MHz
Windows 7 home Premium (64bit)
2 TB, RAID Stripe (2 x 1 TB, 7.200 RPM)
AMD Radeon™ HD 6770 1 GB DDR5-Graphics card OR NVIDIA® GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1.25GB GDDR5 Graphics Card
ST2220L 21.5” full HD
Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Music-sound card

I would love to get some feedback or improvements on this system!

What is your budget?
About 2000 usd

What is your resolution?
I will be using two monitors, my main is ST2220L 21.5” full HD 16: 9.

What are you using it for?
I will be using it mainly for Starcraft 2. I want to be able to stream at 720p/1080p, with web cam and mic and a good framerate nomater what happens in game with graphics on max.

What is your upgrade cycle?
I have a relatively slow upgrade cycle and would have this pc 2+ years.

When do you plan on building it?
I plan on ordering and building it in April

Do you plan on overclocking?
I dont know enough about overclocking atm, so no (advice is welcome but not necessary)

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I don't know enough about adding a second GPU either


It's pointless to plan now if you aren't buying for another month.

I'm not sure why you're deciding between two cards that are vastly different in pricing. The 6770 is ~$100 while a GTX 560 Ti is ~$220. If all you care about is Starcraft II, I'd get a Radeon HD6850 instead.

I'm not sure why you're getting a 2x4gb kit and then a 2x2gb kit. You might as well just buy a 4x4gb kit or two 2x4gb kits.

If you want a good FPS regardless of scenario, you are going to be required to overclock... since Starcraft II is a very CPU intensive game.

You're missing a power supply, motherboard, and case.


I dont plan on buying my components until mid next month but I wanted to clue myself up well before then. Will that much have changed by then?


Well Ivybridge might be released by than so instead of buying a 2500k or whatever Sandybridge, you would be buying a 3570k / Ivybridge.

Instead of a 6 series chipset, you would be buying a 7 series chipset.

At least one Kepler card will be available and Pitcairn will be available.

Not to mention pricing isn't static so unless you plan on buying parts individually as they go on sale, it's sort of pointless wasting your time on browsing through all the available cases, power supplies, and so on.
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
March 11 2012 02:34 GMT
#19440
On March 11 2012 11:24 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 11:06 TheMooseHeed wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On March 11 2012 10:53 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 05:19 Shadowfax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hello there! I am looking to build a computer and this is what i have so far:

Intel® Core™ i7-2600 Processor (3.40GHz, 8MB)
12288 MB (2 x 4 GB/2 x 2 GB) DDR3 Dual Channel-Memory 1333 MHz
Windows 7 home Premium (64bit)
2 TB, RAID Stripe (2 x 1 TB, 7.200 RPM)
AMD Radeon™ HD 6770 1 GB DDR5-Graphics card OR NVIDIA® GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1.25GB GDDR5 Graphics Card
ST2220L 21.5” full HD
Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Music-sound card

I would love to get some feedback or improvements on this system!

What is your budget?
About 2000 usd

What is your resolution?
I will be using two monitors, my main is ST2220L 21.5” full HD 16: 9.

What are you using it for?
I will be using it mainly for Starcraft 2. I want to be able to stream at 720p/1080p, with web cam and mic and a good framerate nomater what happens in game with graphics on max.

What is your upgrade cycle?
I have a relatively slow upgrade cycle and would have this pc 2+ years.

When do you plan on building it?
I plan on ordering and building it in April

Do you plan on overclocking?
I dont know enough about overclocking atm, so no (advice is welcome but not necessary)

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I don't know enough about adding a second GPU either


It's pointless to plan now if you aren't buying for another month.

I'm not sure why you're deciding between two cards that are vastly different in pricing. The 6770 is ~$100 while a GTX 560 Ti is ~$220. If all you care about is Starcraft II, I'd get a Radeon HD6850 instead.

I'm not sure why you're getting a 2x4gb kit and then a 2x2gb kit. You might as well just buy a 4x4gb kit or two 2x4gb kits.

If you want a good FPS regardless of scenario, you are going to be required to overclock... since Starcraft II is a very CPU intensive game.

You're missing a power supply, motherboard, and case.


I dont plan on buying my components until mid next month but I wanted to clue myself up well before then. Will that much have changed by then?


Well Ivybridge might be released by than so instead of buying a 2500k or whatever Sandybridge, you would be buying a 3570k / Ivybridge.

Instead of a 6 series chipset, you would be buying a 7 series chipset.

At least one Kepler card will be available and Pitcairn will be available.

Not to mention pricing isn't static so unless you plan on buying parts individually as they go on sale, it's sort of pointless wasting your time on browsing through all the available cases, power supplies, and so on.


I see. Will the price points of these new components be comparable to the current lines or more because they are new?
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