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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 06:06:09
March 08 2012 06:05 GMT
#19401
On March 08 2012 15:05 tylervoss4 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
can anyone recommend me a decent board to oc my i5-2500k on ?
budget: $100ish


Asrock P67 Pro3 is $100.
oo_xerox
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States852 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 06:46:53
March 08 2012 06:42 GMT
#19402
what should i look for in a monitor? im planning on buying a 24´ for my build, i googled the 120mhz thing, which makes a big diference apparently, but besides that, anything else i should consider?i mean it would really suck to buy a good gpu and not having a decent monitor to pair it with..

Noob Edit: ↓ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=308280
I could get a more coherent article by gluing a Sharpie to a dog's cook and letting it hump the page.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 08 2012 06:43 GMT
#19403
On March 08 2012 15:42 oo_xerox wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
what should i look for in a monitor? im planning on buying a 24´ for my build, i googled the 120hz thing, which makes a big diference apparently, but besides that, anything else i should consider?i mean it would really suck to buy a good gpu and not having a decent monitor to pair it with...


Refer to the monitor thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=308280
maritini
Profile Joined October 2004
Greece121 Posts
March 08 2012 23:24 GMT
#19404
I just wanted to say a big thanks to skyR for all his help through PMs on buying my new computer.
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
March 09 2012 01:09 GMT
#19405
Some new info on kepler from Cebit. Apparently it will have auto clock functions at higher load (much like how intel turbo boost works). The performance of 680 seems to match 7970 pretty well (techpowerup wrote something about 10% better in BF3, but slower in 3Dmark11).
So yeah, Nvidia hyping it up by saying that they were surprised by AMD 7xxx poor performance was mostly just bullshit PR. Well, as i understand it, they'll release another series of more high end kepler later in the year (GK110), but then again by that time AMD might have updated their GPUs to be less underclocked...
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 01:19:00
March 09 2012 01:18 GMT
#19406
On March 08 2012 12:55 EtherealDeath wrote:

CPU: i5 2500k + 8gb ram
Motherboard: Asrock P67
Cooler: Cooler Master 212
GPU: MSI 560ti 1gb
PSU: XFX 450W
Case: Cooler Master case
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 500gb
DVD: some dvd
Wireless: some wireless

Total comes out to $892.91 with shipping. Comments? Trying to keep it below $900.


I am thinking I may steal this build as it sounds good minus the wireless card. Is an aftermarket cooler necessary or is it only needed if overclocking is being done?

Also will overclocking reduce the life of my rig?
''Swarm hosts are the worst thing in the world, I mean terrorism is pretty bad but swarmhosts are worse'' IdrA on ZvZ
Nabutso
Profile Joined April 2011
351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 01:23:52
March 09 2012 01:23 GMT
#19407
You need an aftermarket cooler to OC.

If you aren't OCing, you want an h67/61 mobo and a non-k suffix processor.

And it depends on your voltages and temperatures
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
March 09 2012 01:24 GMT
#19408
overclocking in general only decreases lifespan on components if you overclock by overvolting. And even in that case, you have to go above a lot of safety values to be concerned about reducing the lifespan. Note that some CPUs overvolt themselves if you increase the multiplier (if you leave the volt settings on auto).
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
March 09 2012 01:24 GMT
#19409
On March 09 2012 10:23 Nabutso wrote:
You need an aftermarket cooler to OC.

If you aren't OCing, you want an h67/61 mobo and a non-k suffix processor.

And it depends on your voltages and temperatures


Is it difficult to overclock and is it worth it?
''Swarm hosts are the worst thing in the world, I mean terrorism is pretty bad but swarmhosts are worse'' IdrA on ZvZ
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 01:45:18
March 09 2012 01:45 GMT
#19410
On March 09 2012 10:24 TheMooseHeed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 10:23 Nabutso wrote:
You need an aftermarket cooler to OC.

If you aren't OCing, you want an h67/61 mobo and a non-k suffix processor.

And it depends on your voltages and temperatures


Is it difficult to overclock and is it worth it?


Sandy Bridge is easy to overclock, it is worth it.

If you are too afraid you can opt for the $20 insurance Intel provides that covers the chip in case you break it while overclocking, which you wont do as long as you arent reckless.
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iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
March 09 2012 03:32 GMT
#19411
so im seriously contemplating of putting a mini-fridge inside my corsair 500r ~.~
<3 Kim Taeyeon
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 15:35:00
March 09 2012 13:41 GMT
#19412
On March 06 2012 08:23 skyR wrote:
7850 and 7870 will be available during the 2nd last week of March. The 7850 has a MSRP of $250, so similar to a 6950. Though I expect DirectCu II, Twin Frozr III, Double D, etc variants will be closer to $300. So it may not be worth it if you can get a GTX 560 Ti for around $200.

You can check out the various articles to see comparisons between the various cards and learn more about it to help in your decision making: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5625 , http://techreport.com/articles.x/22573


I can't find a GTX 560 ti for under £160, unfortunately, which is well over $200. The Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 is only £134 and seems to do fairly similar on the benchmarks from those articles. Are either of these worth it at their current prices?
SleepTech
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States222 Posts
March 09 2012 13:43 GMT
#19413
What gpu for a laptop would be good for swtor to play comfortably on low or medium settings?

I want a laptop for work that can play swotr. I already have a great desktop at home.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 09 2012 18:23 GMT
#19414
On March 09 2012 22:41 xsksc wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On March 06 2012 08:23 skyR wrote:
7850 and 7870 will be available during the 2nd last week of March. The 7850 has a MSRP of $250, so similar to a 6950. Though I expect DirectCu II, Twin Frozr III, Double D, etc variants will be closer to $300. So it may not be worth it if you can get a GTX 560 Ti for around $200.

You can check out the various articles to see comparisons between the various cards and learn more about it to help in your decision making: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5625 , http://techreport.com/articles.x/22573


I can't find a GTX 560 ti for under £160, unfortunately, which is well over $200. The Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 is only £134 and seems to do fairly similar on the benchmarks from those articles. Are either of these worth it at their current prices?


I'm unsure of UK pricing but components over there are generally more expensive. Both the 7950 and 7970 are well over their MSRP of $450 and $550 as well.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
March 09 2012 19:19 GMT
#19415
On March 09 2012 22:43 SleepTech wrote:
What gpu for a laptop would be good for swtor to play comfortably on low or medium settings?

I want a laptop for work that can play swotr. I already have a great desktop at home.


gt540m or 6770m at least i'd say
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 19:25:45
March 09 2012 19:25 GMT
#19416
On March 10 2012 04:19 Rachnar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 22:43 SleepTech wrote:
What gpu for a laptop would be good for swtor to play comfortably on low or medium settings?

I want a laptop for work that can play swotr. I already have a great desktop at home.


gt540m or 6770m at least i'd say


There's actually no solid "safe" suggestions for SW:TOR, the engine is an unoptimized pile of dog shit. Find reviews for individual laptops, or nothing is guaranteed.

I frequently hit slideshow framerates in that game before I gave up on Bioware completely, and they weren't heading in any directions I liked. And that's on my desktop. Tried all kinds of downclocks, and anything that might be reasonable, it was just the engine refusing to work.
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 20:10:08
March 09 2012 20:06 GMT
#19417
Ok so after totaling up the total cost of my build and nearly having heart attack (prices in Europe are soo much more!) I have decided to scale back and not bother overclocking my build. I am looking to be able to play new games on mid-high for at least a few years.

This is what I have got so far.
CPU- Intel Sandybridge i5-2400 Core i5 Quad-Core Processor
MotherBoard- Asrock P67 PRO3 REV 3.0 1155 Motherboard
GPU- Still undecided. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
PSU- Corsair CMPSU-430CXV2UK Builder Series CX430V2 - 80 Plus Certified Power Supply
CASE- Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus - Mid tower - ATX - no power supply ( EPS12V/ PS/2 ) - black - USB/Audio/E-SATA
HDD- Seagate Barracuda 3.5 inch 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB 6GB/S Internal SATA Drive
DVD- Sony 24x Internal DVD Rewriter - Black

Would a 1GB GPU be adequate or would more be needed?
If anyone has cheaper alternatives or sees a glaring issue advice would be appreciated. Thanks
''Swarm hosts are the worst thing in the world, I mean terrorism is pretty bad but swarmhosts are worse'' IdrA on ZvZ
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 09 2012 20:11 GMT
#19418
On March 10 2012 05:06 TheMooseHeed wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Ok so after totaling up the total cost of my build and nearly having heart attack (prices in Europe are soo much more!) I have decided to scale back and not bother overclocking my build. I am looking to be able to play new games on mid-high for at least a few years.

This is what I have got so far.
CPU- Intel Sandybridge i5-2400 Core i5 Quad-Core Processor
MotherBoard- Asrock P67 PRO3 REV 3.0 1155 Motherboard
GPU- Still undecided. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
PSU- Corsair CMPSU-430CXV2UK Builder Series CX430V2 - 80 Plus Certified Power Supply
CASE- Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus - Mid tower - ATX - no power supply ( EPS12V/ PS/2 ) - black - USB/Audio/E-SATA
HDD- Seagate Barracuda 3.5 inch 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB 6GB/S Internal SATA Drive
DVD- Sony 24x Internal DVD Rewriter - Black

Would a 1GB GPU be adequate or would more be needed?
If anyone has cheaper alternatives or sees a glaring issue advice would be appreciated. Thanks


If you are not overclocking, you can go with a H61 or H67 motherboard instead such as an Asrock H61M-VS: http://www.amazon.co.uk/H61M-VS-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-Onboard-ASRock/dp/B004S9JXPW/

A Radeon HD6870 or GTX 560 Ti is adequate for reasonably high settings on most games at 1080p. If you can't overclock than you can't afford a 2GB or 3GB GPU such as a 7850 or 7970.

If you're looking to reduce costs further, you can get a Bitfenix Merc Alpha instead of a HAF912: http://www.amazon.co.uk/BitFenix-Merc-Alpha-Tower-Chassis/dp/B005JRICNG
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 20:19:06
March 09 2012 20:18 GMT
#19419
edit: late...what I get for doing something else first!

The VRAM on the video card is generally not a limiting factor, unless you're playing certain texture-heavy games at resolutions higher than 1920x1200 and cranking up antialiasing and other settings. You're focusing on one of the least important things with regards to video cards. Some kind of HD 6850 or HD 6870 model should still be the best value, or maybe a GTX 560 if it's the same price as a HD 6870.

P67 and Z68 motherboards are for overclocking. You can pick something a lot cheaper if you won't do that, particularly if you don't need 4 RAM slots / SATA3 / USB3 / other things.

HAF 912 Plus is kind of expensive. In NA we get the non-Plus version, which has less fans and is usually a good value, but in Europe the 912 Plus is just not as price competitive (the extra cooling is really not that useful in general).
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 20:36:22
March 09 2012 20:29 GMT
#19420
On March 10 2012 05:11 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 05:06 TheMooseHeed wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Ok so after totaling up the total cost of my build and nearly having heart attack (prices in Europe are soo much more!) I have decided to scale back and not bother overclocking my build. I am looking to be able to play new games on mid-high for at least a few years.

This is what I have got so far.
CPU- Intel Sandybridge i5-2400 Core i5 Quad-Core Processor
MotherBoard- Asrock P67 PRO3 REV 3.0 1155 Motherboard
GPU- Still undecided. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
PSU- Corsair CMPSU-430CXV2UK Builder Series CX430V2 - 80 Plus Certified Power Supply
CASE- Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus - Mid tower - ATX - no power supply ( EPS12V/ PS/2 ) - black - USB/Audio/E-SATA
HDD- Seagate Barracuda 3.5 inch 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB 6GB/S Internal SATA Drive
DVD- Sony 24x Internal DVD Rewriter - Black

Would a 1GB GPU be adequate or would more be needed?
If anyone has cheaper alternatives or sees a glaring issue advice would be appreciated. Thanks


If you are not overclocking, you can go with a H61 or H67 motherboard instead such as an Asrock H61M-VS: http://www.amazon.co.uk/H61M-VS-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-Onboard-ASRock/dp/B004S9JXPW/

A Radeon HD6870 or GTX 560 Ti is adequate for reasonably high settings on most games at 1080p. If you can't overclock than you can't afford a 2GB or 3GB GPU such as a 7850 or 7970.

If you're looking to reduce costs further, you can get a Bitfenix Merc Alpha instead of a HAF912: http://www.amazon.co.uk/BitFenix-Merc-Alpha-Tower-Chassis/dp/B005JRICNG


Ok so I will go with a H61 mobo

Ahh so a 2GB CPU wouldn't give any considerable difference in relation to cost

Unfortunately after looking the HAF non-plus version doesn't seem to be on amazon.
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