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On January 05 2012 13:28 -Kaiser- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 13:23 Medrea wrote:+ Show Spoiler +His friends are not very good friends  For starters they are recommending AMD when Intel has better everything all the time. Why 1066 RAM? 1333 RAM will have a mostly real impact on performance and is also really cheap. 650W PSU. Yeah that system is going to barely break 200W (at least similar priced Intel parts would). Check the optimized computer build thread for an idea based on his budget, 600-800 is a bit of a wide range and a lot of breakpoints are made there. Edited original post. We'd like to spend close to $600 before taxes and shipping.
Shikyo's post has you covered I think. We sort of end up recommending the same shit over and over again so if you see a similar build from us in this tech thread good chances it will work as well. Just make sure you try to find a deal.
AMD is a joke CPU manufacturer now. They should start selling clown shoes with every chip.
On January 05 2012 13:21 esotericc wrote: What information do you want, I will provide it all in full detail for some help 
Tech Guidelines!! WHY DO YOU FORSAKE US!!!
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On January 05 2012 13:27 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 13:20 esotericc wrote:On January 05 2012 13:16 Medrea wrote:
1866 RAM is a huge waste of money when you are only packing a mid level graphics card. 1600? Ok sometimes you can find 1600 RAM at very good deals but 1866 is over the top and enthusiasts go higher than that anyway.
Also if you are getting an i5-2500k you will also need an aftermarket cooler because the stock solution is terrible for overclocking, which is what you are in for money wise.
I dont actually know what max budget we are working with here, so I dont know how much money you have on top of the money you are about to save not wasting it on RAM. I am getting Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 LGA1366 LGA1155 LGA1156 120MM Also I am working with about 1200$ roughly, I can go over if its a decent value. At $1200 you can afford to Crossfire flagship AMD GPU's but for single card configuration you should have at least a 580 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=271861Make sure your monitors resolution and build quality also make sense as $1200 is sort of the first step into enthusiast territory. Baby steps though.
$1200 was more of a guess, I run duel monitors at 1920/1080, I play mostly Dota 2 and Sw:Tor. I prefer Nvidia cards and am not against Crossfire but no nothing about it.
I am running a AMD 2500+ right now with a 9800gtx so you can see It's been a very long time since I purchased a new computer.
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I mean shit if your just gonna do those two games you could take the 600 dollar build we are suggesting to the other guy and be off and happy.
But I have a feeling you are looking to play better games right?
AMD/ATI has just released, this month. Entirely new line of GPU's called the 7xxx series. Beginning with the 7970. For $1200 you can afford to build a system with this in it (much better than nVidia's best card as it is a completely new generation, making the 580 obsolete very soon).
Im confused between fulfilling your needs and fulfilling your budget.
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On January 05 2012 13:30 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 13:28 -Kaiser- wrote:On January 05 2012 13:23 Medrea wrote:+ Show Spoiler +His friends are not very good friends For starters they are recommending AMD when Intel has better everything all the time. Why 1066 RAM? 1333 RAM will have a mostly real impact on performance and is also really cheap. 650W PSU. Yeah that system is going to barely break 200W (at least similar priced Intel parts would). Check the optimized computer build thread for an idea based on his budget, 600-800 is a bit of a wide range and a lot of breakpoints are made there. Edited original post. We'd like to spend close to $600 before taxes and shipping. Shikyo's post has you covered I think. We sort of end up recommending the same shit over and over again so if you see a similar build from us in this tech thread good chances it will work as well. Just make sure you try to find a deal. AMD is a joke CPU manufacturer now. They should start selling clown shoes with every chip. Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 13:21 esotericc wrote:On January 05 2012 13:18 skyR wrote:If you have literally no clue than at least explain why you think you need very good memory. The difference between a $40 1333MHz cas9 kit and a 1866MHz cas8 kit is something you will never notice in gaming and most tasks. Is 1 FPS worth $50+? Your entire configuration is bad because you haven't pricematched. You selected a Indilinx SSD which is terrible. If you want a cheap SSD than get a second generation Sandforce such as a Kingston HyperX or OCZ Agility 3. A GTX 560 Ti for nearly $300 is seriously overpriced. If you want to pay nearly $300, get a GTX 560 Ti 448 Twin Frozr III: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=65880&promoid=1301All the good deals from Boxing Week are sold out so just get a Seasonic S12II 520: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=52173&promoid=1301Get the ASUS P8Z68-M Pro for your motherboard: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=64104&promoid=1301Get Corsair Vengeance 1600MHz: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=57078&promoid=1301Note I didn't try very hard since you didn't try at all providing information. What information do you want, I will provide it all in full detail for some help Tech Guidelines!! WHY DO YOU FORSAKE US!!!
Gonna save some trouble and just post them sorry should have done this from the start.
+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget? I would probably go as high as $1200 for the right build
What is your resolution? Dual monitor, 1980 by 1020. I am running one 27" TN and 1 21".
What are you using it for? Exclusively gaming
What is your upgrade cycle? 2-4 years, My current setup is old as hell. When do you plan on building it? Tonight, I want to purchase it Asap Do you plan on overclocking? no, never. I am not comfortable doing it
Do you need an Operating System? Yes I plan on buying windows 7 Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? For the right price I would consider it but have no immediate plans. Don't know enough about it to make a decision. Where are you buying your parts from? www.ncix.ca
But I have a feeling you are looking to play better games right?
Yes, my budget is a bit higher because I do plan to play lots of other games and like everything to be maxed and run fast on my current games. I also want it to age pretty well as newer, more demanding games come out.
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Alright I decided that I am looking for a little bit more performance out of my computer. I built it back in the first half of 09. I just picked up a Hyper212+ off of Newegg.
My Mobo ASUS P5Q LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX
My CPU E8500
My Ram Muskin Enhance Redline 4Gb DDR2 1000
I have a 650 Watt Antec Earthwatts Powersupply, Antec 900 Case, and a GTX 275 Graphics Card
My plan is to OC the E8500, from what I can tell online my board is a decent to good OCing board. Am I right?
Any tips on OC or places to check out, this will be my first OC?
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On January 05 2012 13:41 Medrea wrote:Oh not overclocking. That definitely helps us out. We are not going to recommend you a system that costs $1200 dollars though. That simply isnt the price of a top end non overclockable computer these days. + Show Spoiler +This build should cost you, I dunno like $800 or something. Not wanting to overclock really handcuffs the longevity of this system by the way. Sandy bridge architecture is EXCELLENT for overclocking and I feel that for about 100 dollars more you could have an I5-2500k, a better motherboard, and a LOT more performance out of the CPU. EDIT: Dont buy from newegg though. NCIX better for you.
So what would be the OCing parts for the extra 100$, I will look into Ocing and see if what I can learn and maybe give it a shot so I might as well buy the parts that are good for it.
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On January 05 2012 13:44 feanor1 wrote:Alright I decided that I am looking for a little bit more performance out of my computer. I built it back in the first half of 09. I just picked up a Hyper212+ off of Newegg. My Mobo ASUS P5Q LGA 775 Intel P45 ATXMy CPU E8500My Ram Muskin Enhance Redline 4Gb DDR2 1000I have a 650 Watt Antec Earthwatts Powersupply, Antec 900 Case, and a GTX 275 Graphics Card My plan is to OC the E8500, from what I can tell online my board is a decent to good OCing board. Am I right? Any tips on OC or places to check out, this will be my first OC?
What are you looking to perform better at?
Maybe a CPU OC isnt what is so much needed but a GPU OC. That board will do both.
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On January 05 2012 13:45 esotericc wrote: So what would be the OCing parts for the extra 100$, I will look into Ocing and see if what I can learn and maybe give it a shot so I might as well buy the parts that are good for it.
you would want an i5-2500k (20-30 more), a motherboard with P67 in the name like ASROCK Pro 3 P67 (50 or so more), and an aftermarket heatsink (20 or so dollars more).
Overclocking has never been easier than now, and Sandy Bridge is a rock solid product.
The price on the Mobo may vary depending on how far you want to go. My aspirations with the i5-2500k (I own one) was that I wanted to take the processor from 3.3 to 4.0. This is considered a very nominal overclock even though it is like 25 percent, and I got away with doing it using a 90 dollar ASROCK Pro3 SE.
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Alright ill look into grabbing those, thanks a ton man.
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Finnish best-known computer site known for its reliability says Nvidia 6xx out late january or early february, no source.
Wut >_>
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On January 05 2012 13:49 esotericc wrote:
Alright ill look into grabbing those, thanks a ton man.
Yeah SkyR knows a lot more than me on NCIX since I dont live in Canada and I suck at pricematching.
Largely because I am way lazier than he is.
I am soooo lazy.
On January 05 2012 13:51 Shikyo wrote:
Finnish best-known computer site known for its reliability says Nvidia 6xx out late january or early february, no source.
Wut >_>
Referring to it as 6xx instead of 7xx >.>
Double wut >.>
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On January 05 2012 13:46 Medrea wrote:
What are you looking to perform better at?
Maybe a CPU OC isnt what is so much needed but a GPU OC. That board will do both.
The GPU already has a modest OC, I got it in some sort of combo off newegg at the time..GTX 275 Superclocked. Anyhow part of this is I have been bored and I have an open weekend this weekend as all the roommates are going out of town. I am looking be able to run SC2 at higher settings, and what have you. Playing Sc2 is the most demanding thing I regularly ask out of my comp. I know SC2 is a more CPU demanding game than GPU, or at least that is my impression from reading the forums. O and I play at 1080p
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http://ncix.com/products/?sku=33357&vpn=CMPSU-400CX&manufacture=Corsair
This PSU man. Also for that budget I'd get an i5 2400 definitely.
On January 05 2012 13:51 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 13:49 esotericc wrote:
Alright ill look into grabbing those, thanks a ton man. Yeah SkyR knows a lot more than me on NCIX since I dont live in Canada and I suck at pricematching. Largely because I am way lazier than he is. I am soooo lazy. Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 13:51 Shikyo wrote:
Finnish best-known computer site known for its reliability says Nvidia 6xx out late january or early february, no source.
Wut >_> Referring to it as 6xx instead of 7xx >.> Double wut >.>
Actually that's my bad, I meant 7xx.
They basically said "Apparently 6950 release date is being pushed back to early february because of the problems with the 28nm manufacturing process. Similiar problems are expected for Nvidia as well, which will release their first 28nm Kepler cards in either late january or early february" or whatever the loose translation is
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On January 05 2012 13:53 feanor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 13:46 Medrea wrote:
What are you looking to perform better at?
Maybe a CPU OC isnt what is so much needed but a GPU OC. That board will do both. The GPU already has a modest OC, I got it in some sort of combo off newegg at the time..GTX 275 Superclocked. Anyhow part of this is I have been bored and I have an open weekend this weekend as all the roommates are going out of town. I am looking be able to run SC2 at higher settings, and what have you. Playing Sc2 is the most demanding thing I regularly ask out of my comp. I know SC2 is a more CPU demanding game than GPU, or at least that is my impression from reading the forums. O and I play at 1080p
Ah, good.
Ok do it.
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What not a good enough answer?
Alright alright. Look there are a lot of video's on the, the everywhere that is the internet and they will all generally say the same thing.
Go into your BIOS, change the multiplier from what it is now to something higher. Then boot to see if it works and run a CPU test program like Prime95. Afterwards if you feel you want to push the CPU more you can fiddle with voltage settings, but I would know the bounds of your CPU VERY well before doing this. Also read guides on how to overclock your particular CPU as it is very important you get it right.
On January 05 2012 13:53 Shikyo wrote:http://ncix.com/products/?sku=33357&vpn=CMPSU-400CX&manufacture=CorsairThis PSU man. Also for that budget I'd get an i5 2400 definitely. Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 13:51 Medrea wrote:On January 05 2012 13:49 esotericc wrote:
Alright ill look into grabbing those, thanks a ton man. Yeah SkyR knows a lot more than me on NCIX since I dont live in Canada and I suck at pricematching. Largely because I am way lazier than he is. I am soooo lazy. On January 05 2012 13:51 Shikyo wrote:
Finnish best-known computer site known for its reliability says Nvidia 6xx out late january or early february, no source.
Wut >_> Referring to it as 6xx instead of 7xx >.> Double wut >.> Actually that's my bad, I meant 7xx. They basically said "Apparently 6950 release date is being pushed back to early february because of the problems with the 28nm manufacturing process. Similiar problems are expected for Nvidia as well, which will release their first 28nm Kepler cards in either late january or early february" or whatever the loose translation is
6950's DELAYED. FUCK NO They won't take the cards out of my computers!!
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On January 05 2012 13:44 feanor1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Alright I decided that I am looking for a little bit more performance out of my computer. I built it back in the first half of 09. I just picked up a Hyper212+ off of Newegg. My Mobo ASUS P5Q LGA 775 Intel P45 ATXMy CPU E8500My Ram Muskin Enhance Redline 4Gb DDR2 1000I have a 650 Watt Antec Earthwatts Powersupply, Antec 900 Case, and a GTX 275 Graphics Card My plan is to OC the E8500, from what I can tell online my board is a decent to good OCing board. Am I right? Any tips on OC or places to check out, this will be my first OC?
Yes your P5Q is good. It has a decent amount of phases and has mosfet heatsinks. Don't remember specifics of Wolfdale overclocking but you want to have a 1:1 ratio. So for example, you can set your bus to 500 and lower multiplier to 7.5 to achieve 3.7GHz. This also involves messing with core voltage, northbridge voltage, and other stuff as well. I would look into reading several guides and go up in small increments if this is your first time.
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Mmmm, shit yeah I forgot you have to worry a lot more about the Bus speed and multiplier back then. Im so spoiled.
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On January 05 2012 13:56 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 13:53 feanor1 wrote:On January 05 2012 13:46 Medrea wrote:
What are you looking to perform better at?
Maybe a CPU OC isnt what is so much needed but a GPU OC. That board will do both. The GPU already has a modest OC, I got it in some sort of combo off newegg at the time..GTX 275 Superclocked. Anyhow part of this is I have been bored and I have an open weekend this weekend as all the roommates are going out of town. I am looking be able to run SC2 at higher settings, and what have you. Playing Sc2 is the most demanding thing I regularly ask out of my comp. I know SC2 is a more CPU demanding game than GPU, or at least that is my impression from reading the forums. O and I play at 1080p Ah, good. Ok do it. .... What not a good enough answer? Alright alright. Look there are a lot of video's on the, the everywhere that is the internet and they will all generally say the same thing. Go into your BIOS, change the multiplier from what it is now to something higher. Then boot to see if it works and run a CPU test program like Prime95. Afterwards if you feel you want to push the CPU more you can fiddle with voltage settings, but I would know the bounds of your CPU VERY well before doing this. Also read guides on how to overclock your particular CPU as it is very important you get it right. Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 13:53 Shikyo wrote:http://ncix.com/products/?sku=33357&vpn=CMPSU-400CX&manufacture=CorsairThis PSU man. Also for that budget I'd get an i5 2400 definitely. On January 05 2012 13:51 Medrea wrote:On January 05 2012 13:49 esotericc wrote:
Alright ill look into grabbing those, thanks a ton man. Yeah SkyR knows a lot more than me on NCIX since I dont live in Canada and I suck at pricematching. Largely because I am way lazier than he is. I am soooo lazy. On January 05 2012 13:51 Shikyo wrote:
Finnish best-known computer site known for its reliability says Nvidia 6xx out late january or early february, no source.
Wut >_> Referring to it as 6xx instead of 7xx >.> Double wut >.> Actually that's my bad, I meant 7xx. They basically said "Apparently 6950 release date is being pushed back to early february because of the problems with the 28nm manufacturing process. Similiar problems are expected for Nvidia as well, which will release their first 28nm Kepler cards in either late january or early february" or whatever the loose translation is 6950's DELAYED. FUCK NO They won't take the cards out of my computers!!
oh I mean 7950. Hey its 7am cmon
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On January 05 2012 14:11 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 13:56 Medrea wrote:On January 05 2012 13:53 feanor1 wrote:On January 05 2012 13:46 Medrea wrote:
What are you looking to perform better at?
Maybe a CPU OC isnt what is so much needed but a GPU OC. That board will do both. The GPU already has a modest OC, I got it in some sort of combo off newegg at the time..GTX 275 Superclocked. Anyhow part of this is I have been bored and I have an open weekend this weekend as all the roommates are going out of town. I am looking be able to run SC2 at higher settings, and what have you. Playing Sc2 is the most demanding thing I regularly ask out of my comp. I know SC2 is a more CPU demanding game than GPU, or at least that is my impression from reading the forums. O and I play at 1080p Ah, good. Ok do it. .... What not a good enough answer? Alright alright. Look there are a lot of video's on the, the everywhere that is the internet and they will all generally say the same thing. Go into your BIOS, change the multiplier from what it is now to something higher. Then boot to see if it works and run a CPU test program like Prime95. Afterwards if you feel you want to push the CPU more you can fiddle with voltage settings, but I would know the bounds of your CPU VERY well before doing this. Also read guides on how to overclock your particular CPU as it is very important you get it right. On January 05 2012 13:53 Shikyo wrote:http://ncix.com/products/?sku=33357&vpn=CMPSU-400CX&manufacture=CorsairThis PSU man. Also for that budget I'd get an i5 2400 definitely. On January 05 2012 13:51 Medrea wrote:On January 05 2012 13:49 esotericc wrote:
Alright ill look into grabbing those, thanks a ton man. Yeah SkyR knows a lot more than me on NCIX since I dont live in Canada and I suck at pricematching. Largely because I am way lazier than he is. I am soooo lazy. On January 05 2012 13:51 Shikyo wrote:
Finnish best-known computer site known for its reliability says Nvidia 6xx out late january or early february, no source.
Wut >_> Referring to it as 6xx instead of 7xx >.> Double wut >.> Actually that's my bad, I meant 7xx. They basically said "Apparently 6950 release date is being pushed back to early february because of the problems with the 28nm manufacturing process. Similiar problems are expected for Nvidia as well, which will release their first 28nm Kepler cards in either late january or early february" or whatever the loose translation is 6950's DELAYED. FUCK NO They won't take the cards out of my computers!! oh I mean 7950. Hey its 7am cmon
I know but its funnier imagining AMD coordinating an obligatory mass recall.
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