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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
November 10 2011 01:28 GMT
#14321
What...


The fuck....

+ Show Spoiler +
It's NEVER a bad idea to spend as much as you can on a computer. It'll make you so happy.


I can't assemble anything true out of this, or pretty much all of the rest of the post.
twitch.tv/medrea
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 10 2011 01:30 GMT
#14322
On November 10 2011 10:22 DONTPANIC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 09:24 ChefStarCraft wrote:
Hello, I was hoping I could get some suggestions and opinions on a new computer.

$2000 is what I want to sink into a top of the line gaming computer. I want it to have the newest/best CPU, Graphics cards, duel GPU, and max overclocking available, so I don't have to upgrade for a long time. I don't know a single thing to do when building a computer, so having it assembled before delivery is what I require.

I'm looking for a trusted, and consistent company.
Recommended computer models with links, and opinions would be, oh so very helpful.

Thanks a bunch in advance !,



Don't listen to them! It's NEVER a bad idea to spend as much as you can on a computer. It'll make you so happy. However... the new intel cpus are coming out soon so... if you wait a moment you will get better stuff. 2k is a lot of money. You can easly build a dual 6970 or dual gtx580 rig. That'll be sick. If you need monitors and such your budget for the pc components is more like 1500 (because you should get a sweet monitor or two at least). And if you need an OS it's 1400. Sweet keyboard/mouse? 1200. Headset/speakers? 1150. Which is still good but not tip top. What do you need? If you're going to buy a prebuilt computer you won't get the greatest stuff but you will get all the extras with it.

...

Dude normally when people ask for advice they want advice from someone who knows what they're talking about.

It'll make him so happy? How, reading "200fps" instead of "70fps" when he can't make the different out anyway?

-_-

Also you can also build a comp and get all those bad periphials yourself. keyboard + mouse combo is like 5€, what else will you get with a prebuilt? an OS I guess.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 10 2011 01:33 GMT
#14323
On November 10 2011 10:18 beefhamburger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On November 10 2011 10:05 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 09:50 beefhamburger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On November 10 2011 09:46 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 09:38 beefhamburger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Thanks for explaining why you thought the Mushkin was better skyr. It helps a lot.
Next part!:
560 Ti + lifetime warranty $250 or 560 Ti + 3 yr warranty + Batman AA game $240
Without the game I'd choose the lifetime warranty one for sure. But since I hear the Batman game is pretty good, I wanted an opinion on the likelihood of these cards failing after 3 years and actually needing the lifetime warranty.

Also, for the Coolermaster Haf 912, how many and which, if any, case fans does it come with? Just so I can buy more fans now if I need them.


Both of those are -KR models which is a three year warranty with the option of paying to extend it to five or ten years.

Only -AR models have lifetime warranty.

The HAF 912 comes with two fans.

Woops, fixed the link. 560 Ti + lifetime warranty $250 or 560 Ti + 3 yr warranty + Batman AA game $240
So I should buy an additional 120mm (or is 140mm better?) and 200mm fan for this build?


Additional fans is not needed for adequate cooling. And if you wanted additional fans, you should buy multiple 120mm fans or a single 200mm fan.

As for lifetime warranty vs three years: The only real benefit of lifetime warranty is well.. being able to use the card forever. This comes in handy if you are going to be playing the same few games for the rest of your life or just want to keep it as a backup. I don't think a DS model is really necessary for an -AR card since if you wanted the most performance, you wouldn't care about a lifetime warranty. The regular -AR is $10 less expensive upfront and more when you factor in the mail in rebate.

Ok thanks, the 3 yr warranty it is ^^. I was going to get a 200 mm fan but all of them are obsessed with LED lights on them T_T so I'm just going to buy this cheap pack of 120 mm fans. I don't really know much about fan quality. I hope they are compatible if I get something like an ASRock Z68 mobo.


You probably should get your configuration up and running before you purchase additional fans. I'm not sure how comfortable it is to have a jet engine in the room...

On November 10 2011 10:22 DONTPANIC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On November 10 2011 09:24 ChefStarCraft wrote:
Hello, I was hoping I could get some suggestions and opinions on a new computer.

$2000 is what I want to sink into a top of the line gaming computer. I want it to have the newest/best CPU, Graphics cards, duel GPU, and max overclocking available, so I don't have to upgrade for a long time. I don't know a single thing to do when building a computer, so having it assembled before delivery is what I require.

I'm looking for a trusted, and consistent company.
Recommended computer models with links, and opinions would be, oh so very helpful.

Thanks a bunch in advance !,



Don't listen to them! It's NEVER a bad idea to spend as much as you can on a computer. It'll make you so happy. However... the new intel cpus are coming out soon so... if you wait a moment you will get better stuff. 2k is a lot of money. You can easly build a dual 6970 or dual gtx580 rig. That'll be sick. If you need monitors and such your budget for the pc components is more like 1500 (because you should get a sweet monitor or two at least). And if you need an OS it's 1400. Sweet keyboard/mouse? 1200. Headset/speakers? 1150. Which is still good but not tip top. What do you need? If you're going to buy a prebuilt computer you won't get the greatest stuff but you will get all the extras with it.


Sorry but in most cases, it's a bad idea for an individual to spend $2000 on a computer when they aren't competent enough to assemble it themselves or competent enough to provide enough details for someone to recommend them a configuration.
Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
November 10 2011 01:35 GMT
#14324
Well, some people find happiness on weird things.

But really, you shouldn't spend so much money on a computer. After 6 months there will be a better one and the pieces you bought will cost half of what you payed.
I'd suggest having a reasonable budged for the rig itself. No need to get 100+fps out of everything. Focus on what games you want to play and build a computer based on that.
Then you can spend the money you saved on expensive drinks and tasty food.
SEn Fanclub: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=170834
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
November 10 2011 01:39 GMT
#14325
On November 10 2011 10:33 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 10:18 beefhamburger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On November 10 2011 10:05 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 09:50 beefhamburger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On November 10 2011 09:46 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 09:38 beefhamburger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Thanks for explaining why you thought the Mushkin was better skyr. It helps a lot.
Next part!:
560 Ti + lifetime warranty $250 or 560 Ti + 3 yr warranty + Batman AA game $240
Without the game I'd choose the lifetime warranty one for sure. But since I hear the Batman game is pretty good, I wanted an opinion on the likelihood of these cards failing after 3 years and actually needing the lifetime warranty.

Also, for the Coolermaster Haf 912, how many and which, if any, case fans does it come with? Just so I can buy more fans now if I need them.


Both of those are -KR models which is a three year warranty with the option of paying to extend it to five or ten years.

Only -AR models have lifetime warranty.

The HAF 912 comes with two fans.

Woops, fixed the link. 560 Ti + lifetime warranty $250 or 560 Ti + 3 yr warranty + Batman AA game $240
So I should buy an additional 120mm (or is 140mm better?) and 200mm fan for this build?


Additional fans is not needed for adequate cooling. And if you wanted additional fans, you should buy multiple 120mm fans or a single 200mm fan.

As for lifetime warranty vs three years: The only real benefit of lifetime warranty is well.. being able to use the card forever. This comes in handy if you are going to be playing the same few games for the rest of your life or just want to keep it as a backup. I don't think a DS model is really necessary for an -AR card since if you wanted the most performance, you wouldn't care about a lifetime warranty. The regular -AR is $10 less expensive upfront and more when you factor in the mail in rebate.

Ok thanks, the 3 yr warranty it is ^^. I was going to get a 200 mm fan but all of them are obsessed with LED lights on them T_T so I'm just going to buy this cheap pack of 120 mm fans. I don't really know much about fan quality. I hope they are compatible if I get something like an ASRock Z68 mobo.


You probably should get your configuration up and running before you purchase additional fans. I'm not sure how comfortable it is to have a jet engine in the room...

Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 10:22 DONTPANIC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On November 10 2011 09:24 ChefStarCraft wrote:
Hello, I was hoping I could get some suggestions and opinions on a new computer.

$2000 is what I want to sink into a top of the line gaming computer. I want it to have the newest/best CPU, Graphics cards, duel GPU, and max overclocking available, so I don't have to upgrade for a long time. I don't know a single thing to do when building a computer, so having it assembled before delivery is what I require.

I'm looking for a trusted, and consistent company.
Recommended computer models with links, and opinions would be, oh so very helpful.

Thanks a bunch in advance !,



Don't listen to them! It's NEVER a bad idea to spend as much as you can on a computer. It'll make you so happy. However... the new intel cpus are coming out soon so... if you wait a moment you will get better stuff. 2k is a lot of money. You can easly build a dual 6970 or dual gtx580 rig. That'll be sick. If you need monitors and such your budget for the pc components is more like 1500 (because you should get a sweet monitor or two at least). And if you need an OS it's 1400. Sweet keyboard/mouse? 1200. Headset/speakers? 1150. Which is still good but not tip top. What do you need? If you're going to buy a prebuilt computer you won't get the greatest stuff but you will get all the extras with it.


Sorry but in most cases, it's a bad idea for an individual to spend $2000 on a computer when they aren't competent enough to assemble it themselves or competent enough to provide enough details for someone to recommend them a configuration.


I think "competent (versus incompetent)" is a little strong here. He knew he didn't know how to compose a build, and he knew a good place to look for information, that counts for a lot really.

I'm sure he will understand that dumping that much into a single build is wasteful.
twitch.tv/medrea
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
November 10 2011 01:42 GMT
#14326
On November 10 2011 10:33 skyR wrote:
You probably should get your configuration up and running before you purchase additional fans. I'm not sure how comfortable it is to have a jet engine in the room...

Good call. I'll hold off on them for now.
So, I went to add 560 Ti to my cart and it turns out they're out of stock. It also says "1) You can continue to order this product, and we will ship it to as soon as we can." Do you know if I will still get the sale price when it becomes available? (not sure how long that would take).
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 10 2011 01:48 GMT
#14327
On November 10 2011 10:42 beefhamburger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On November 10 2011 10:33 skyR wrote:
You probably should get your configuration up and running before you purchase additional fans. I'm not sure how comfortable it is to have a jet engine in the room...

Good call. I'll hold off on them for now.
So, I went to add 560 Ti to my cart and it turns out they're out of stock. It also says "1) You can continue to order this product, and we will ship it to as soon as we can." Do you know if I will still get the sale price when it becomes available? (not sure how long that would take).


You omitted part of the sentence: "You have selected an item that is either Out of Stock or very low in stock!" Yes you do get the sale price since you'll be checking out with it.

Though if you are satisfied with a three year warranty, I'd go for a different model instead such as a Twin Frozr II, DirectCu II, or Windforce:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127594
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121424
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125363

Lower clocked but this doesn't matter since you'll adjust it yourself through software.
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
November 10 2011 01:59 GMT
#14328
On November 10 2011 10:48 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 10:42 beefhamburger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On November 10 2011 10:33 skyR wrote:
You probably should get your configuration up and running before you purchase additional fans. I'm not sure how comfortable it is to have a jet engine in the room...

Good call. I'll hold off on them for now.
So, I went to add 560 Ti to my cart and it turns out they're out of stock. It also says "1) You can continue to order this product, and we will ship it to as soon as we can." Do you know if I will still get the sale price when it becomes available? (not sure how long that would take).


You omitted part of the sentence: "You have selected an item that is either Out of Stock or very low in stock!" Yes you do get the sale price since you'll be checking out with it.

Though if you are satisfied with a three year warranty, I'd go for a different model instead such as a Twin Frozr II, DirectCu II, or Windforce:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127594
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121424
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125363

Lower clocked but this doesn't matter since you'll adjust it yourself through software.

Darn it, more choices now =P. Your best suggestion? And is it perfectly safe, easy and possible to change all the values to the EVGA specs?
Sorry for all the questions, but I just like knowing everything about all my different parts =P.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 10 2011 02:09 GMT
#14329
Yes it's easy and safe, you just download MSI Afterburner or equivalent software and move a slider to x value for any of the cards. Overclocking without voltage increase is covered by warranty for Gigabyte, ASUS, and MSI. It's highly likely you'll reach 900MHz (Gigabyte is already at 900MHz) with ease since this is the GTX 560 Ti we are talking about.
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 02:17:21
November 10 2011 02:14 GMT
#14330
If that's the case, then it comes down to the most reliable brand with the least driver issues for me since they are all about the same price. My old 6800GT was an EVGA and is still going strong so I don't know how good the other brands are. Any input?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 10 2011 02:18 GMT
#14331
Imo it comes down to the best cooler and that's probably DirectCU II but Twin Frozr and Windforce are all good, with Windforce usually have best price-performance ratio.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 10 2011 02:25 GMT
#14332
On November 10 2011 11:14 beefhamburger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
If that's the case, then it comes down to the most reliable brand with the least driver issues for me since they are all about the same price. My old 6800GT was an EVGA and is still going strong so I don't know how good the other brands are. Any input?


On November 10 2011 11:18 Shikyo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Imo it comes down to the best cooler and that's probably DirectCU II but Twin Frozr and Windforce are all good, with Windforce usually have best price-performance ratio.


Which brand is more reliable is highly subjective. If you have an EVGA bias than you can just purchase the DS -KR model you had your eyes on earlier at NCIX. I would select this MSI Twin Frozr II model for $245 ($225 after mail in rebate): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127565 since it comes with free shipping. Unless you have free shipping from that ShopRunner program thing on Newegg than I would select the Gigabyte Windforce model: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125363

DirectCu II on the GTX 560 Ti is a dual slot design so it isn't considered the best heatsink. Many consider the Twin Frozr III the best and I do in fact believe that the Twin Frozr III is the best with Twin Frozr II in second and Windforce in third.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
November 10 2011 02:55 GMT
#14333
On November 10 2011 10:22 DONTPANIC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 09:24 ChefStarCraft wrote:
Hello, I was hoping I could get some suggestions and opinions on a new computer.

$2000 is what I want to sink into a top of the line gaming computer. I want it to have the newest/best CPU, Graphics cards, duel GPU, and max overclocking available, so I don't have to upgrade for a long time. I don't know a single thing to do when building a computer, so having it assembled before delivery is what I require.

I'm looking for a trusted, and consistent company.
Recommended computer models with links, and opinions would be, oh so very helpful.

Thanks a bunch in advance !,



Don't listen to them! It's NEVER a bad idea to spend as much as you can on a computer. It'll make you so happy. However... the new intel cpus are coming out soon so... if you wait a moment you will get better stuff. 2k is a lot of money. You can easly build a dual 6970 or dual gtx580 rig. That'll be sick. If you need monitors and such your budget for the pc components is more like 1500 (because you should get a sweet monitor or two at least). And if you need an OS it's 1400. Sweet keyboard/mouse? 1200. Headset/speakers? 1150. Which is still good but not tip top. What do you need? If you're going to buy a prebuilt computer you won't get the greatest stuff but you will get all the extras with it.


Are you fucking kidding?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 10 2011 03:05 GMT
#14334
On November 10 2011 11:25 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 11:14 beefhamburger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
If that's the case, then it comes down to the most reliable brand with the least driver issues for me since they are all about the same price. My old 6800GT was an EVGA and is still going strong so I don't know how good the other brands are. Any input?


Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 11:18 Shikyo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Imo it comes down to the best cooler and that's probably DirectCU II but Twin Frozr and Windforce are all good, with Windforce usually have best price-performance ratio.


Which brand is more reliable is highly subjective. If you have an EVGA bias than you can just purchase the DS -KR model you had your eyes on earlier at NCIX. I would select this MSI Twin Frozr II model for $245 ($225 after mail in rebate): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127565 since it comes with free shipping. Unless you have free shipping from that ShopRunner program thing on Newegg than I would select the Gigabyte Windforce model: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125363

DirectCu II on the GTX 560 Ti is a dual slot design so it isn't considered the best heatsink. Many consider the Twin Frozr III the best and I do in fact believe that the Twin Frozr III is the best with Twin Frozr II in second and Windforce in third.

um they all are dual slot designs o_o That's a silly reasoning
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
DONTPANIC
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States340 Posts
November 10 2011 03:22 GMT
#14335
On November 10 2011 11:55 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 10:22 DONTPANIC wrote:
On November 10 2011 09:24 ChefStarCraft wrote:
Hello, I was hoping I could get some suggestions and opinions on a new computer.

$2000 is what I want to sink into a top of the line gaming computer. I want it to have the newest/best CPU, Graphics cards, duel GPU, and max overclocking available, so I don't have to upgrade for a long time. I don't know a single thing to do when building a computer, so having it assembled before delivery is what I require.

I'm looking for a trusted, and consistent company.
Recommended computer models with links, and opinions would be, oh so very helpful.

Thanks a bunch in advance !,



Don't listen to them! It's NEVER a bad idea to spend as much as you can on a computer. It'll make you so happy. However... the new intel cpus are coming out soon so... if you wait a moment you will get better stuff. 2k is a lot of money. You can easly build a dual 6970 or dual gtx580 rig. That'll be sick. If you need monitors and such your budget for the pc components is more like 1500 (because you should get a sweet monitor or two at least). And if you need an OS it's 1400. Sweet keyboard/mouse? 1200. Headset/speakers? 1150. Which is still good but not tip top. What do you need? If you're going to buy a prebuilt computer you won't get the greatest stuff but you will get all the extras with it.


Are you fucking kidding?



Simple answer: Yes. But as someone with disposable income $2,000 isn't all that much to build some super computer that you know will be better than anyone else you know. If he's made the decision to spend that much who cares what makes sense? It's like buying a pickup truck and lowering it and putting 20's on it with low profile tires... it doesn't make sense... but it's kinda cool... to some people.
The universe is big. Really big.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 03:25:41
November 10 2011 03:24 GMT
#14336
On November 10 2011 12:05 Shikyo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On November 10 2011 11:25 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 11:14 beefhamburger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
If that's the case, then it comes down to the most reliable brand with the least driver issues for me since they are all about the same price. My old 6800GT was an EVGA and is still going strong so I don't know how good the other brands are. Any input?


Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 11:18 Shikyo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Imo it comes down to the best cooler and that's probably DirectCU II but Twin Frozr and Windforce are all good, with Windforce usually have best price-performance ratio.


Which brand is more reliable is highly subjective. If you have an EVGA bias than you can just purchase the DS -KR model you had your eyes on earlier at NCIX. I would select this MSI Twin Frozr II model for $245 ($225 after mail in rebate): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127565 since it comes with free shipping. Unless you have free shipping from that ShopRunner program thing on Newegg than I would select the Gigabyte Windforce model: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125363

DirectCu II on the GTX 560 Ti is a dual slot design so it isn't considered the best heatsink. Many consider the Twin Frozr III the best and I do in fact believe that the Twin Frozr III is the best with Twin Frozr II in second and Windforce in third.

um they all are dual slot designs o_o That's a silly reasoning


How is it a silly reason. Many people only consider the ASUS DirectCu II to be the best heatsink for the flagship cards because of its' a triple slot design. You actually never gave reasoning as to why the dual slot DirectCu II is the best and there is actually no explanation why it would be the best since it uses less heatpipes and uses direct touch.
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 03:46:24
November 10 2011 03:32 GMT
#14337
After reading different reviews and comparisons for the past hour or so, I've decided on the MSI version because of it's cooling and quietness (even though the ASUS was very similar). I also think I like the MSI software better. Probably stupid reasons, but since I have to make a choice eventually, I'm choosing MSI. That and I still get my free game with it too =P.

So this is my next buying round
MSI 560 Ti + game - $227 after MIR
Ram Mushkin 8GB $38
Coolermaster Haf 912 $50
LG DVD Writer 22x $17

Anything that needs changing?
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
November 10 2011 03:46 GMT
#14338
I haven't been paying much attention to the news lately, but are the estimates that hard drives will remain ridiculously expensive for the next year accurate? If so...I should have bought one sooner.

I guess I'll be waiting until I can get a decent hard drive that doesn't cost as much as a graphics card before I build a computer, meaning Skyrim will need to wait >.<
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 10 2011 03:51 GMT
#14339
Yes they are.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 10 2011 04:11 GMT
#14340
On November 10 2011 12:32 beefhamburger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
After reading different reviews and comparisons for the past hour or so, I've decided on the MSI version because of it's cooling and quietness (even though the ASUS was very similar). I also think I like the MSI software better. Probably stupid reasons, but since I have to make a choice eventually, I'm choosing MSI. That and I still get my free game with it too =P.

So this is my next buying round
MSI 560 Ti + game - $227 after MIR
Ram Mushkin 8GB $38
Coolermaster Haf 912 $50
LG DVD Writer 22x $17

Anything that needs changing?


Nothing. I'd probably wait for the new sale though, maybe the GTX 560 Ti will go on sale.
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