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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Dahlma
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden13 Posts
July 27 2011 02:34 GMT
#8801
Its not like i dont care about the price. i would like it to stay in this cost range it is now but i was so insecure about if i made the correct choice or not by taking the graphic card because it might be overpriced when there are better for a smaller price.
And no i`d prefer single and not SLI. i dont like noice and so on.

gosh there are so many with the same name lawls. do u see the list of GTX560ti in this link? can u point out and link wich one.
http://www.inet.se/sok/gtx-560

Thanks man
Hjo
Dahlma
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden13 Posts
July 27 2011 02:38 GMT
#8802
And oh! ive heard that the "pipes" on the graphic card is the most importent the Ti got about 380 and the one i was thinking about got 480. is this a major/minor diffrence? :O
Hjo
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 02:53:06
July 27 2011 02:44 GMT
#8803
Yes, the stream processors would be one of the most important specifications in a graphics card. The GTX 570 is a higher-end card so of course it's going to be more powerful than a GTX 560 Ti. Just look at benchmarks and decide for yourself whether you want to pay the premium for a higher end card: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4135/ , http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/geforce-gtx-560-ti.html

This is the GTX 560 Ti: http://www.inet.se/artikel/5409095/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-560-ti-oc-1gb

There are also other ones such as this: http://www.inet.se/artikel/5409097/sparkle-geforce-gtx-560ti-1gb and http://www.inet.se/artikel/5409167/msi-geforce-gtx-560-ti-twin-frozr-ii-1gb

The only difference between the various GTX 560 Ti cards is post sale support, the heatsink that comes with it, and the clock speeds (which can be adjusted yourself through software).

If you're not interested in SLI, you do not need a SLI capable motherboard such as a P67 GD65. A less expensive motherboard would do such as the Asrock P67 Pro3: http://www.inet.se/artikel/1902014/asrock-p67-pro3-rev-b3

You also would not need a 750w power supply, the XFX Core Edition 450 would be sufficient for a single card configuration: http://www.inet.se/artikel/6900492/xfx-core-edition-450w
Dahlma
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden13 Posts
July 27 2011 02:53 GMT
#8804
This is making so much sence with some great help!

About the power supply and the motherbord that i picked. when im in a need of upgrading my computer. wouldnt it be better to have a power supply with more effect and a motherboard that supports 2cards? i was thinking when i upgrade it i could just get one more of the same graphic card and more memory sticks? or is everything out of date then?

what do u think?
Hjo
Dahlma
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden13 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 03:04:51
July 27 2011 02:57 GMT
#8805
and ya. i think ill go with the graphic card that i picked there. that requires 600w

and just throwing out a question here. if i for some reason would like to stream games would that be possible with this rig of mine?
Hjo
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 27 2011 03:03 GMT
#8806
No, as I mentioned previously adding a second graphics card (SLI) is a bad upgrade path because by the time you need to upgrade to play the latest games on high settings (let's say three years from now), there's going to be a card that offers similar performance to that of a multi-GPU configuration from three years ago and produces less heat, less noise, and consume less power. As an example, the 8800GT was a $200 card with 112 stream processors released three or four years ago. Today, we have the GTX 560 with 336 stream processors at the $200 price point which offers consistent / better performance while at the same time consuming less power and producing less noise and heat.

Newer components require less power because they're on newer processes.

Power supply recommendations made by manufacturers are higher than necessary to account for low quality power supplies that don't provide advertised wattage. The XFX Core Edition 450 would still be adequate for a GTX 570 but if you're paranoid or plan on doing a high CPU and GPU overclock or stressing the system to 100% all the time than you can get the 550w variant: http://www.inet.se/artikel/6900491/xfx-core-edition-550w
Dahlma
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden13 Posts
July 27 2011 03:12 GMT
#8807
(just added a question above aswell.)

ahh ok that makes sence! why putting XFX before Corsair?

And what do you think about the stock fan "cooler" on the i5? should i instantly order a better one so it wont die on me? :O


and last question.
With:
http://www.inet.se/artikel/5409079/sparkle-geforce-gtx-570-1280mb
http://www.inet.se/artikel/1902014/asrock-p67-pro3-rev-b3
http://www.inet.se/artikel/5309986/intel-core-i5-2500k-3-3ghz

every component is even in performance?

Thanks again ur the man!

Hjo
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
July 27 2011 03:20 GMT
#8808
Good CPU HSF (Corsair A70) for a great price - $31 USD (expires tomorrow):

http://www.ncixus.com/products/index.php?sku=53612&vpn=CAFA70&manufacture=Corsair&promoid=1304
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
Live4theLord
Profile Joined April 2010
United States14 Posts
July 27 2011 03:26 GMT
#8809
Perfect thanks,
So whats the main difference between say a 30 gb SSD and a 80 gb SSD? I know the SSD is faster then the standard HD because there's no spinning disk, but how does the memory on the SSD effect loading speeds?
Dont waste your life! Follow Jesus Christ!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 27 2011 03:29 GMT
#8810
On July 27 2011 12:12 Dahlma wrote:
(just added a question above aswell.)

ahh ok that makes sence! why putting XFX before Corsair?

And what do you think about the stock fan "cooler" on the i5? should i instantly order a better one so it wont die on me? :O


and last question.
With:
http://www.inet.se/artikel/5409079/sparkle-geforce-gtx-570-1280mb
http://www.inet.se/artikel/1902014/asrock-p67-pro3-rev-b3
http://www.inet.se/artikel/5309986/intel-core-i5-2500k-3-3ghz

every component is even in performance?

Thanks again ur the man!



Yes, the configuration would be capable of streaming.

XFX has higher quality lower wattage power supplies such as the Core Edition Pro whereas Corsair's low wattage power supplies such as the CX V2 series is of lower quality. Many of Corsair and XFX power supplies are manufactured by the same manufacturer and is of the same design (ex. Corsair TX V2 is the same as the XFX Core Edition).

The Intel stock heatsink sucks. Since you will be overclocking, it is highly recommended you get an aftermarket heatsink of some sort.

Both the core i5 2500k and GTX 570 are close to flagship products so yes I guess the performance is even if you want to use this terminology...


lantz
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States762 Posts
July 27 2011 03:37 GMT
#8811
Need help with network connections (I cannot create new posts yet)

I have a wireless network set up and I just bought a computer that needs a wired ethernet connection. I have spent an hour trying to figure how to get internet on my new computer. The computer detects the network cable but will not find network. It just says unidentified network. My network has a password but I cannot find where to type it in. I am using Windows 7. Can someone walk me through how to get the internet set up? I have been playing around in network connections area but do not know how to get internet and the windows diagnosis is useless

ThankS!!!!!!
Dahlma
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden13 Posts
July 27 2011 03:38 GMT
#8812
Great thanks to you SkyR. u dont get the credit u deserve. ur awesome. cheers!
Hjo
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 03:46:43
July 27 2011 03:42 GMT
#8813
On July 27 2011 12:26 Live4theLord wrote:
Perfect thanks,
So whats the main difference between say a 30 gb SSD and a 80 gb SSD? I know the SSD is faster then the standard HD because there's no spinning disk, but how does the memory on the SSD effect loading speeds?


It's because of the way the flash memory chips are organized and interfaced with the controller. Generally an SSD controller has 8-10 data channels on the back end to interface with the memory. It can get data from all of them simultaneously, so if you're accessing more channels at a time and keeping the interface busier, you'll have higher speeds. For the 32-40GB drives, there is so little memory that only some of the channels are actually connected to any memory. There's just a blank spot on the PCB where more memory would go, on the 64+ GB models.

For higher than the 64GB range where each channel is populated, there is additional benefit due to interleaving, which keeps the interface busier if there concurrent accesses that need to be handled:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4316/ocz-vertex-3-240gb-review


In practice this effects write speeds more than read speeds though, but keep in mind that even if you're not saving new data to the SSD, temporary files are created and deleted all the time when you use a computer.

edit: even so, a smaller decent SSD with reasonable garbage collection and/or TRIM (Windows 7 necessary for automatic TRIM commands) will definitely be a lot faster for loading stuff than a mechanical drive. Note that some of the cheaper models may have issues or may actually not be better in practice. It will just be a lot slower in sequential writes, but that's not critical at all. I just think it's worth saving up to get to 64GB.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
July 27 2011 03:44 GMT
#8814
@ needcomputer

ethernet wont need a password to get in

just try tu turn off the router, let if off for 10 seconds, and turn it back on, basic and will work most of the time
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
Live4theLord
Profile Joined April 2010
United States14 Posts
July 27 2011 04:59 GMT
#8815
Last thing!!!!
Now I know what set up im going for (i5-2500k / P67 pro3 / gtx 560 ti) I have a really big decision to make and i really need some help. Monitor!!!! I cant have an amazing PC with a crapy picture. im looking for something that could possibly serve as my t.v. as well. Budget about 300. Looking for best bang for the buck! any ideas?

@ Myrmidon
Ok thanks that makes sense. I will be saving up for an 80gb then
Dont waste your life! Follow Jesus Christ!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 27 2011 05:04 GMT
#8816
If you want good picture quality, you're getting an IPS monitor. An entry IPS panel such as a Dell UltraSharp U2311H should be around $300. Here's a review of it: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2311h.htm
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 05:14:01
July 27 2011 05:12 GMT
#8817
What makes overclocking so difficult to the point where there are no specific guides on EXACTLY how to overclock?I mean as in, like just telling you what to set your vCore, vDroop, and everything. I want to use my overclocking software that comes with the motherboard, but as Jingle told me before, it raises the vCore higher than needed and shortens the lifespan of your CPU.

I have never overclocked before, and it looks ridiculously difficult for a first timer, and dangerous as well. I want to overclock from 3.3 to 4.0 or 4.2 gHz but I just want an exact guide on what to set my settings to on my XFX 550 watt PSU, is that possible?

Another question, if I mess up my set up (for example PSU), what are the chances of my computer smoking or starting on fire? Nothing will happen if you FORGET wires to plug in right? Omg I have a serious case of paranoia over building a computer.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 05:17:38
July 27 2011 05:16 GMT
#8818
There is no exact guide for overclocking because there are dozens of motherboards, dozens of BIOS versions, and every piece of silicon is different so overclocking capabilities won't be the same.

It is (near) impossible to start a fire or blowing up the computer by overclocking. The computer would just shut down and reboot itself or blue screen and reboot itself with default settings if the setting that was set is not possible or unstable.

A 4.2GHz overclock with a 2500k is a measly 500MHz increase. You can easily achieve this by just increasing the multiplier to 42 and leaving the rest of the settings on auto.

Nothing happens if you forget to plug in a wire. The computer will simply not start or give a display if you forgot a connector.
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
July 27 2011 05:20 GMT
#8819
On July 27 2011 14:16 skyR wrote:
There is no exact guide for overclocking because there are dozens of motherboards, dozens of BIOS versions, and every piece of silicon is different so overclocking capabilities won't be the same.

It is (near) impossible to start a fire or blowing up the computer by overclocking. The computer would just shut down and reboot itself or blue screen and reboot itself with default settings if the setting that was set is not possible or unstable.

A 4.2GHz overclock with a 2500k is a measly 500MHz increase. You can easily achieve this by just increasing the multiplier to 42 and leaving the rest of the settings on auto.

Nothing happens if you forget to plug in a wire. The computer will simply not start or give a display if you forgot a connector.

Would you suggest a first-time paranoid OCer like me to use a software that comes with the motherboard or just experiment around? Do I need to set the vCore with 4.2 ghz? What about 4 gHz? (Biostar P67 Motherboard)Thanks for the fire thing, it really calms me down, I thought your computer just herpa derps stands there and starts smoking when you do something wrong lol.

Why do some people making OCing sound easy with confusing BIOs versions and having to check your motherboard and stuff?
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spaZzNx-`
Profile Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1221 Posts
July 27 2011 05:21 GMT
#8820
Hey:D

This is my current build:

CPU: Core i5-2500
GPU: XFX Radeon 6850
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-P61-S3-B3
RAM: Kingston 4GB DDR3 1333 x 2
HDD: Seagate 1TB SATA3
Case: Cooler Master Silencio 550
PSU: Corsair CX500 V2
DVD: LG Dvd drive

that costs ~6000HKD/760USD

However the leaves me with very little room for a monitor when I include a OS, so I want to decrease to cost of my build by around 100-150USD. If so, what parts should I change? I've been thinking of getting a 6790 gfx card, what sort of performance will that give when playing SC2?

Thanks :3
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