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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 19 2011 03:24 GMT
#5641
Did you order from Microsoft directly? I'm pretty sure they dont send you anything unless you specifically specify that you want a DVD copy and pay for shipping.
SoKHo
Profile Joined April 2011
Korea (South)1081 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 03:32:48
May 19 2011 03:28 GMT
#5642
Yeah, I did. I got a student discount at my school so I got it for $20 and I paid ~$8 more for a hard copy. I tempted to download a copy of windows xp or something off of torrent, but I'm not a fan of pirating :/

edit: i am extremely confused to why the dvd won't boot up the pc T_T
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 19 2011 03:40 GMT
#5643
Try a different SATA cable and try a different SATA port?
SoKHo
Profile Joined April 2011
Korea (South)1081 Posts
May 19 2011 03:42 GMT
#5644
Ok, ill try that. I have a 64 bit version of windows 7, that shouldn't be the problem right?
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 19 2011 03:46 GMT
#5645
No it shouldn't. Also, did you burn the iso to the DVD (can't be dragged and dropped)?
SoKHo
Profile Joined April 2011
Korea (South)1081 Posts
May 19 2011 03:49 GMT
#5646
i used winrar, there were 9 files in there and I dragged and dropped after.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 19 2011 03:58 GMT
#5647
That would be the reason why you can't boot from the DVD since you didn't make it a bootable DVD.

You can't drag and drop files. You have to use software such as the one included in Windows, Sony Nero, or ImgBurn to burn it to the disc. And you shouldn't be unraring it either.
SoKHo
Profile Joined April 2011
Korea (South)1081 Posts
May 19 2011 04:11 GMT
#5648
dope! I'm out of dvd disks haha. Guess i have no choice but to use the usb. thx skyr!
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
May 19 2011 04:48 GMT
#5649

Original Message From ITOP:
Hi, I just joined the TL and I couldn't make threads until 3days pass so I decidede to PM the most dedicated person from replys.
I was reading all of the computer building threads in this site for over a week but still I have no brain for any computer build nor name stuffs.

I have Moniter, Mouse, Keyboard, Speaker, and all the wires for moniter, power stuffs. The only thing that holds me back from building desktop is, replys on threads people say it's very "LOUD"... I want the computer that has no (smallest) sound.. I hope I am not expecting too much with my budget.

so 2things I want from new desktops
1: Fastest Operating of playing SC2 with medium setting + skype + music on
2 : Small sound from computer...
( 3 : I also want to prepare Diablo3 if possible )

Can you help me out with this please? thanks.

What is your budget?
- Total $500 ~ 600 US (including OS)

What is your resolution?
19'' WideScreen 1440 x 900 Max. Res

What are you using it for?
StarCraft2, Streaming, + I use skype while playing. Diablo3.
Medium setting. (For High setting, how much more do I need?)

What is your upgrade cycle?
- 2+ years

When do you plan on building it?
- ASAP

Do you plan on overclocking?
-No thank you

Do you need an Operating System?
-Yes, I do need OS price around $100.
(I do not know which OS is best for... people say it's all same but I still want best choice from you xD)

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
- Not sure... I would say "yes" if it is good in future + not much difference in price wise from ordering motherboard that does not have more outputs.

Where are you buying your parts from?
- I live in Colorado, here is no Fry's, microcenter, newegg nearby. So I guess any places.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 19 2011 04:52 GMT
#5650
Funny I got that message as well. Can new accounts not post on existing threads? =\
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 05:46:13
May 19 2011 05:38 GMT
#5651
+ Show Spoiler +
Original Message From ITOP:
Hi, I just joined the TL and I couldn't make threads until 3days pass so I decidede to PM the most dedicated person from replys.
I was reading all of the computer building threads in this site for over a week but still I have no brain for any computer build nor name stuffs.

I have Moniter, Mouse, Keyboard, Speaker, and all the wires for moniter, power stuffs. The only thing that holds me back from building desktop is, replys on threads people say it's very "LOUD"... I want the computer that has no (smallest) sound.. I hope I am not expecting too much with my budget.

so 2things I want from new desktops
1: Fastest Operating of playing SC2 with medium setting + skype + music on
2 : Small sound from computer...
( 3 : I also want to prepare Diablo3 if possible )

Can you help me out with this please? thanks.

What is your budget?
- Total $500 ~ 600 US (including OS)

What is your resolution?
19'' WideScreen 1440 x 900 Max. Res

What are you using it for?
StarCraft2, Streaming, + I use skype while playing. Diablo3.
Medium setting. (For High setting, how much more do I need?)

What is your upgrade cycle?
- 2+ years

When do you plan on building it?
- ASAP

Do you plan on overclocking?
-No thank you

Do you need an Operating System?
-Yes, I do need OS price around $100.
(I do not know which OS is best for... people say it's all same but I still want best choice from you xD)

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
- Not sure... I would say "yes" if it is good in future + not much difference in price wise from ordering motherboard that does not have more outputs.

Where are you buying your parts from?
- I live in Colorado, here is no Fry's, microcenter, newegg nearby. So I guess any places.


Antec One Hundred ATX Mid Tower Case - $55
Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200RPM Hard Drive - $40
EVGA nVidia GTS 450 - $115
G.Skill 2x2GB DDR3 RAM - $40
Antec EarthWatts 380W PSU - $40
Windows 7 Home Premium OEM - $100

From there on out, it's all about selecting a processor and motherboard. I saw streaming was on your list of things you were going to do, so a quad-core is most likely your best bet.

Intel Core i5-2400 - $190
ASRock H61 Motherboard - $60

That comes to about $640 before shipping and the $20 rebate from the GTS 450. It doesn't come with a DVD drive, though.

You can also get a Saphire Radeon 5670 for about $70, too, although it provides much less performance than the GTS 450. It would put you within your budget at $600 before shipping.

If you can get your hands on a cheaper copy of Windows 7 (i.e. if you have a .edu email address, or can ask somebody to use theirs), then that would save you $70.
marvin.
Profile Joined August 2010
United States469 Posts
May 19 2011 05:42 GMT
#5652
I was wondering if there was any medium sized (around the size of the Hyper Tx3) aftermarket heatsink/cooler for overclocking my i5-2500k sold at frys:
http://www.frys.com/catreq/-1736

I was recommended the Hyper Tx3, but I need to use up a Fry's gift card so I was wondering if there's a decent alternative on here that isn't too big. I've heard good things about the Hyper 212+, but I don't know if that will fit into my case ( Sonata II @ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129155)
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 19 2011 05:45 GMT
#5653
If you remove that air duct on the side than yes the Coolermaster Hyper 212+ should fit. It's the best choice at $30.
lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
May 19 2011 11:12 GMT
#5654
Ok, so my pc kicked the bucket the other day so I need to make a new one. Looked at the bit-tech may mid-range build and it suggests this:

3.3GHz Intel Core i5-2500K £160
Motherboard Asus P8P67 £120
Memory 4GB 1,600MHz DDR3 £40
Graphics Card MSI N560GTX-Ti Twin Frozr II/OC £190
PSU Antec TruePower New 650W £90
CPU Cooler Thermaltake Frio £40
Case (UK) Fractal Design Define R3 £80
Optical drive SATA DVD-RW £15
Storage (HDD) 1TB Samsung SpinPoint F3 £40
Storage (SSD) 64GB Crucial RealSSD C300 £100
Sound Card Asus Xonar DS £40

However I have had other tell me it's not worth it for the 560 over the 460 - a £50 saving. Are they right? Similarly for the i5 over the i7?

My current (dead) setup is(was) this:

MSI K9AG Neo2-Digital Socket AM2 690V and SB600 Chipset 8channel audio HDMI and DVI out ATX
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ (3GHz) Socket AM2 L2 2MB (2 x 1MB) Cache OEM Processor
BFG 8800GTX OC2 768MB GDDR3 Dual DVI HDTV Out HDCP enabled PCI-E Graphics Card
4 GB Kingston Ddr2 800mhz/pc2-6400

The graphics card is the main thing that has kicked the bucket. I have this absurd zalman fan:

Zalman CNPS9700

It's huge, copper, and so heavy my current pc has to sit on its side, else it pulls the processor out - blame one of my friends at uni for this monstrosity.

Basically - is there anything I can/should salvage from my current setup for making my new one? I've had this for 4 years and it's been fine until imploding last week, so I'm completely out of the loop.

As implied by the pounds - I'm a brit, I don't know if that makes any difference though.

much <3 everyone.
For every battle honour a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, and unremembered.
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
May 19 2011 12:04 GMT
#5655
ditch the frio for a coolermaster hyper 212 plus

ditch the 650w psu for something like an antec neo eco 450w

i5-2500k is fine

i dont really like the 460, how much does the 6850 cost? both the 6850 and 560ti are fantastic cards, if you have the money to spare, you can spend it on the 560ti

id get a different case, something like a coolermaster storm scout or haf 912

does your old build have an optical drive you can rip out?
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Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 12:08:22
May 19 2011 12:07 GMT
#5656
Personally I think Tech Report gives some of the better/best build suggestions.

Salvage the Zalman CNPS9700 and install it properly (or its the mounting system damaged?) in your new motherboard, assuming it supports LGA1156/1155. There are CPU coolers like double the weight of that, I've got a Noctua one that is like the size of my head.

The impression I get from Bit Tech is that they generally prefer nVidia cards over AMD cards; really get whatever offers the right performance/cost for you. What video card you should get depends on what games you play and the resolution of your monitor.

The good things from the Bit Tech build you suggested:
- Processor. Probably the best Price/Performance processor you can get if you are going to overclock it.
- Case. Its a pretty good case but the build quality is deceiving because the bad metalwork is salvaged by the thick bitumen material.
- Hard Drive. There isn't anything wrong and its generally cheap as chips.
- Motherboard. You need a P67 board to overclock so...

The OK:
- Memory. Only get 1,600mhz memory if its the same price or cheaper than 1,333mhz memory. Ideally, the cheapest DDR3 memory is what you should get.
- Sound card. Onboard sound is good enough these days that you don't need a sound card.
- CPU Cooler. Its a good cooler but why you need one marginally better, yet a bit more expensive, than the Coolermaster Hyper 212+ I don't know.

Bad:
- PSU. Its probably for a SLI system in the near future but its far too much for one card. Single GPU systems only need 500W max...you can get away with around 400W easily with how power efficient Sandy Bridge is.
lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
May 19 2011 12:56 GMT
#5657
Is it particularly bad to have an overpowered psu?

I kinda agree with you on the sound card actually - thinking about it my old one never worked, and I always used the onboard.

My monitor is... an hdtv. This hdtv to be precise, the LG 32LH3000 :
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001UHMT4C/ref=oss_product

I know it's completely over the top, but it means I can happily have my ps3 in my room and play it from my bed.

As for games: dota, LoL, SC2, will be D3, and witcher 2/ dota 2 when it comes out. I tend to go back repeatedly to dota (the ancient) but play quite a few shiny new games when they come out, and I like pretty graphics.

My old build has a dvd/rw I can happily scavenge, it's never given me problems.

Mounting system is fine on my zalman afaik - it just seemed to pull out the processor/warp the mobo so it shut down instantly when current pc was on its side.

Thanks a lot guys, making what has been a fairly crappy week less stressful.
For every battle honour a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, and unremembered.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
May 19 2011 13:13 GMT
#5658
When I start my new computer, I hear like 2 BEEP sound (mobo is msi H61m-p21). However, the computer seems to work perfectly. I even installed windows 7 and no problem.

I'm thinking the beep may be for the absence of GPU. Thoughts?

ty

Robert
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 19 2011 13:33 GMT
#5659
On May 19 2011 22:13 XenOmega wrote:
When I start my new computer, I hear like 2 BEEP sound (mobo is msi H61m-p21). However, the computer seems to work perfectly. I even installed windows 7 and no problem.

I'm thinking the beep may be for the absence of GPU. Thoughts?

ty

Robert


Google for your mobo and the words "beep code".
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
May 19 2011 13:45 GMT
#5660
Since I think MSI uses AMI BIOS, it could be a problem with the memory. Two short beeps generally means one of the sticks of memory failed the parity check - if you want to confirm that its bad RAM, try booting with one stick of RAM and see if it stops beeping.

On May 19 2011 21:56 lozarian wrote:
Is it particularly bad to have an overpowered psu?

As for games: dota, LoL, SC2, will be D3, and witcher 2/ dota 2 when it comes out. I tend to go back repeatedly to dota (the ancient) but play quite a few shiny new games when they come out, and I like pretty graphics.


Yeah getting an overkill PSU is not a good idea. Besides the fact you're spending more on something you'll never use, power supplies tend to hit peak efficiency at around 50-75% load so getting a 650W power supply when you only consume 250W max is not only a waste of money but bad for efficiency.

You probably want a GTX560 Ti or the HD6950. Doesn't really matter though, pick whatever you think might be better because the performance isn't really going to be significantly different.
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