EPTjust to make sure..
is gonna be a real silly question
trim works when u overclock right ? =.=
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dandan23
Malaysia101 Posts
just to make sure.. is gonna be a real silly question trim works when u overclock right ? =.= | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 11 2011 00:08 dandan23 wrote:trim works when u overclock right ? =.= yes | ||
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crazeman
664 Posts
On April 10 2011 17:22 skyR wrote: Here's a review showing the difference between the Phenom II, Core i3 2100, and various other processors: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/20 Unfortunately there is no motherboard for the core i3 2100 that has coax output (at least that I know of). 600w would help with upgrading but this depends on what upgrading you had in mind? If it's SLI / CrossfireX, don't do it. It's a terrible upgrade path as newer generations of graphics cards usually outperform the older ones. I'll give you an example, 8800GT came out 3 years ago for $200. We now have the 6850 and GTX 460 1GB at the $200 pricepoint, both of which outperform a 8800GT SLI setup and produce less noise and heat. 450w is plenty for your configuration and you will even have room to upgrade to the next generation's $200 card as well. wow thanks for the link. It's surprising to see the new intel CPUs blowing the AMD ones out of the water. Back then AMD was always at least competitive and was very well priced. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
The difference between the core i5 2500 and core i7 2600 is that the i7 comes with hyperthreading (makes your quad core act as an octo core). Most games utilize only two cores and actually only very few of the latest titles make use of more than two so the i7 would not be worth the extra cost for gaming purposes (unless of course you have money to throw away). All the modern motherboards come with integrated sound. Getting a discrete sound card would improve audio quality and improve performance very slightly. Unless you are an audiophile or have a very expensive sound setup, there is little reason to get a sound card. You're correct that an SSD only has a limited amount of writes but it will most likely last you the next ten years. You'll have to be writing a constant 5gb everyday or more for it to run out of writes in two years time. The difference between the 2500 and 2500k is that the "K" has an unlocked multiplier which is used for overclocking. If you are not overclocking or have any intention to in the future, there is no need to spend a premium on a K processor and a P67 board. The P67 board allows for overclocking while an H67 is a less expensive motherboard that does not allow for it. 8GB for gaming is not necessary because most games will not utilize more than 2GB. If you want to instantly alt tab between the desktop and a fullscreen game than you could get 8GB. He might have suggested 8gb because RAM prices are extremely low atm so you might as well buy now when they're still low. It'll go back up once DDR4 is introduced. The resolution would be the pixel count in height x width. The more pixels there are on the screen, the more that your graphics card has to work. Your graphics card choice should depend on what resolution you plan on playing at in the future. The mid-range graphics card such as the 6850 or GTX 460 would be perfectly capable of running games on max at 1280x1024. If you have plans on upgrading to 1920x1080 (22" or higher monitor) than you would want to look into getting a GTX 560 or 6950. The GTX 560 is actually cheaper in Europe and if silence is a concern to you than I'd get a GTX 560 with a good heatsink such as a Gigabyte OC or MSI Twin Frozr. SLI / CrossfireX is not worth it. I'll give you an example: The 8800GT was a card released 3 years ago at the $200 pricepoint. Currently, we have the 6850 and GTX 460 at the $200 pricepoint, both of which can outperform and produce less heat / noise than a 8800GT SLI setup. Here is what I'd suggest for a total of €626 (did not include DVD drive): Core i5 2400 @ €149 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p688675 Asrock H67M @ €75 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p729808 2x2GB Mushkin @ €32 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p634163 XFX Core Edition Pro 450W @ €40 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p729910 Gigabyte GTX 560 OC @ €190 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p698351 Corsair Force 60GB @ €106 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p687661 Western Digital Caviar Green 500GB @ €34 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p610488 | ||
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ChOoA
United States8 Posts
Budget: $800-850 maybe a little higher. Resolution: i have a hdtv in mind as a monitor with a resolution of 1920 x 1080 but any other monitor suggestions would b great. What am i using it for: I wanna play sc2 at high/medium settings with good fps and able to stream sc2 with ease. Upgrade Cycle: around 3-4 years When do u plan on building it: Asap Overlocking: Probably not. Thanks ahead of time~ | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Total comes to $852 (before mail in rebates) Core i5 2400 @ $180 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074 Asrock H67M @ $95 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157233 MSI 6850 Cyclone @ $183 ($168 after mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127566 GSkill 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $70 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231426 Corsair Force 60GB @ $130 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233163 Western Digital Caviar Green 1tb @ $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136513 XFX Core Edition 450W @ $55 ($45 after mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012 Cooler Master HAF912 @ $60 ($50 after mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233 DVD Drive @ $19 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136177 | ||
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King of Blades
United States94 Posts
Thank you much :D I'm gonna check around a little bit, and if all goes well, I should have a new computer in a month or so. | ||
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Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
I'm thinking of putting together a build in about 3 months time. I haven't upgraded my overall build since mid 2008. Current PC is a Core 2 Duo with a GTX460 768mb and 2gb DDR2 RAM. Needless to say, its getting on a bit, and with my relatively slow upgrade cycle (if I was to upgrade in a few months I probably wouldn't be upgrading again for at LEAST 2 years possibly 3.) The main uses of my PC are Starcraft 2 (obviously) but I'd also like less bottlenecking when multitasking. As I understand it I believe my RAM is my current bottleneck, but my current motherboard, I'm told, does not really support a faster CPU or RAM so I'd need to upgrade all 3 which means I'd basically need a whole new PC. I'd need an operating system, now is as good a time as any to upgrade from XP to Windows 7. I live in Australia so I don't THINK Newegg is an option? I also plan to use the PC to begin livestreaming, which I know is resource-intensive so I'd like something that can comfortably do that as well, also with a degree of futureproofing to the PC. I don't often buy new games, but those that I do tend to be big titles, for example Deus Ex: Human Revolution will probably be my next big purchase and I'd love to be able to run that at max settings. I would not need a keyboard, mouse, or monitor, as I have all three of those covered. I have a 24" monitor with a native resolution of 1900x1200 so I'd be running my desktop environment and all games at that resolution. My budget will be anywhere from $800-1300, but I'd like to stick as close to the "bang for your buck" side of things. I'm not entirely sure whether I shold be going for 4gb or 8gb of DDR3 RAM, but I imagine 8gb would be better futureproofing. I'm also not interested in overclocking at all, just using it as it comes. I also can't see myself needing more than a single 1TB harddrive, I currently have 500gb and its enough for what I do. An upgrade just for the sake of upgrading would be nice, but then again if I could pick up a 10,000 RPM 500gb HDD for the same price as a 7200RPM 1TB, I'd go for the faster HDD to improve load times. Thanks in advance! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
If you're not buying for another three months. I'd suggest coming back than as prices will have changed and AMD's next generation processors will have been released by than. You could keep your GTX 460 768mb and upgrade later down the road. It isn't that bad of a card and can probably last you another year or so. | ||
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Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
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Leeto
United States1320 Posts
Questions: + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? About $1000, plus or minus $150. If there is a definite benefit to spending some extra, it’s not a problem. What is your resolution? I plan to use dual monitors, both at 1920x1080, and maybe add a third 1440x900 if I have an extra monitor lying around. What are you using it for? I will be gaming, mostly sc2 on max settings. I’d like to be ready to play any new games that come out comfortably, not necessarily at max settings but not at all low like I do now. I’ll also be using it for school, so stuff like matlab/mathematica simulations, programming, etc. I might start streaming as well, so I’d like to be able to do that. What is your upgrade cycle? I’m probably not going to upgrade anything major for a year or two. When do you plan on building it? In the next month or so Do you plan on overclocking? Yes, though I’m not sure how far to take it. Stability is more important that speed for me, so I’ll maybe overclock it to ~4.3 GHz? If anyone can give some advice here that would be great! Do you need an Operating System? No, I have Windows 7 Professional 64 bit ready to install onto it. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No, the single one I’m getting should be good. Right? Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg mostly Intel Core i5-2500K - $225 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 MSI N560GTX-TI Twin Frozr II/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti – $260 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127565 MSI P67A-G45 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - $140 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130582 Patriot G series ‘Sector 5’ Edition 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 - $100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220484 ASUS DRW-24B1ST - $20 http://www.newegg.comProduct/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 NZXT LEXA S LEXS - $80 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146060 Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s - $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136795 Antec EarthWatts EA-500D Green 500W - $70 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371035 COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus - $20 from local store http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 Corsair Force 60GB SATA II MLC Internal (SSD) - $140 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233124 Total: $1100 I already have an OS, monitor(s), keyboard, mouse, etc. Is this a good build? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
The GTX 560 is not capable of a 3 monitor setup. You would need to switch to a Radeon 6950 1GB / 2GB and use a DVI / DVI / DP configuration for your monitors. The RAM you selected is not necessary. You can get a GSkill 2x4gb 1333MHz kit for $70: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231426 The performance difference between 1333MHz and 1600MHz is almost non-existent, see here: http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377 The XFX Core Edition Pro 450w is probably a better buy over the expensive Antec Earthwatts 500w: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012 The Antec Earthwatts provides 37a on the 12v rails while the XFX provides 34a. Your configuration won't be running anywhere close to this, even when it is overclocked. Either the Gigabyte P67 UD3 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128476 ) or Asrock P67 Pro3 for $130 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230 ) would be a better motherboard choice, provided that you aren't losing any necessary features provided by the MSI G45 that you need. 4.3GHz is easily achievable. I have my 2500k at 4.4ghz @ 1.25v. You could also easily get a 4.6ghz - 4.8ghz overclock in the ranges of 1.3v - 1.4v. Just do not exceed 1.52v as specified by Intel. The build is good, it should last you a good three years if not more with the recent trends of PC titles being console ports. You'll be able to stream and play at max settings without a hiccup. | ||
Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + That's going to run SC2 maxed while streaming, sure, and probably play through future games well for a while. You can get stable overclocks with reasonable temperatures at higher than 4.3 GHz with some experimentation, but you won't need to do so to do what you want to do. GTX 560 Ti is good. If you want to play the unlocking game, a HD 6950 2GB is not much more expensive, so that's an alternative. Lower-end MSI motherboards have historically had somewhat suspect transistors in the voltage regulation section, but I don't know about the P67A-G45. I'd personally take the Gigabyte P67A-UD3 instead, but it probably shouldn't be an issue. $70 for 8GB DDR3: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231426 If you have an SSD, I wouldn't worry about the mechanical drive's performance. A Spinpoint F3 is $10 cheaper. Earthwatts Green 500D is good, but $70 is not. These two are practically the same as each other internally (better than the Earthwatts but not by a lot) and cheaper: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371030 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012 SSD: you can also think about Crucial C300. The G.Skill Phoenix Pro should pretty much be the same as the Corsair Force (both are SandForce SF-1200). That's $10 less. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231377 | ||
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ChOoA
United States8 Posts
Thanks man :D | ||
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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ForgottenOne
Romania236 Posts
Corsair 2 x 2GB 1600Mhz, 9-9-9-24, Voltage 1.65V http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260 and I don't like the voltage. I rather have one with 1.5... Should I buy this memory? Should I order other RAM and wait till Wednesday to be delivered? Does this small difference in voltage matters? Is this a good RAM KIT? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On April 10 2011 21:19 Mr.Loki wrote: Thx. Cute looking PSU...  Why the 2500K instead of the 2500? Why do you prefer the HD6950 over the GTX 560 Ti, which has a better performance in all of the tests I read? Or is it the specific videocard, to which I don't really find much, except one review saying, that it's pretty loud. At last, why 8GB of RAM, I myself cannot evaluate it, but the few things on this, I read so far where saying, that 4GB are all I need. And if I need some more, in a year, it should be easy to just buy one, or two additional racks. The 2500K was just cheaper than the 2500. The 6950 is better than the 560 Ti in most things, and was the same price. If you prefer NVidia for whatever reason the 560 is fine too. Again the HIS one was just the cheapest, and they are all mostly the same. You can spend a bit more to get a different brand if you want. For the 8GB RAM, its so cheap that theres no reason not to get 8GB on your budget. | ||
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SnaxyBeast
2 Posts
My budges is around 700-800 dollars. What is your resolution? 1650-1050 What are you using it for? Mostly gaming. What is your upgrade cycle? 2-3 years When do you plan on building it? As soon as possible Do you plan on overclocking? I dont think so. Do you need an Operating System? Nope Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Nope Where are you buying your parts from? www.komplett.no I have thought of something like this: AMD Phenom II X4 965 GTX 460 1 GB 500W PSU 4Gb 1333 MHZ Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3 Western Digital Caviar® Blue 500GB Antec Nine Hundred Two Please give me feedback  Thanks | ||
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