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mav451
United States1596 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On January 27 2011 13:44 mav451 wrote: I'd actually recommend the 6950 as an alternative to the 570. It takes SoC clocks (read 1Ghz core) for a 560 Ti to compete with these, which says alot about the 6950 at $259. IMO, the Ti's are currently overpriced by about $25. And this doesn't even factor in the unlocking potential of the 6950. You're probably right here. I have not read enough about all of the newer GPUs. IIRC the GTX 560 Ti is just the GTX 460 with a few process optimizations, a higher clock speed, and 8/8 functional units active rather than 7/8, right? Since you can overclock GTX 460s pretty high already, making up a good bit of the difference between it and the 560, this would indicate that the 560 is a bit overpriced. Anyway, I'd be inclined to recommend a GTX 460 or HD 6850 over most things priced higher (unless Crysis 2 or something is in somebody's near future), but there was room in the budget. Do you know if the 1GB HD 6950s can unlock to HD 6970s? @sinani206: i5-2500k and HD 6950 sounds good, but for $1200-1500, I'd hope you could get a little better. The price depends on the cost of the monitor though, so it's hard to say. | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11567 Posts
Even though it's higher clocked than the GTX 460, it still has room to overclock because the TSMC process has improved since the GTX 460. There are already so many partners offering 1GHz preoverclocked cards and every review I have seen of the GTX 560 Ti has them at clocks of over 940MHz or so. Whereas the HD 6950 has literally no headroom to overclock :/ | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20293/3 But yeah you got a good point on the headroom of even the standard cards; Techspot has no problems taking a regular 560 Ti (not SoC) to 1Ghz in their review. Guru3D hits 980 with no voltage tweaks either. This is assuming retail cards perform the same as these review samples. I'll admit some of my initial disappointment came from the [H] review, but considering Kyle didn't OC the 560 Ti at all, it ends up not being a true representation of its performance. If the 560's strength is in the massive, untapped headroom then yeah I'm starting to question if that review is even meaningful, which pains me to say, since I'm a pretty adamant [H] guy. Hrmmm... | ||
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FragKrag
United States11567 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On January 27 2011 14:08 mav451 wrote: Lol oops somehow I combined my thoughts of the 6950 2GB vs. 570 into a 6950 1GB vs 560 Ti post. Nah, I haven't really researched if unlocking is possible for the 1GB. Very doubtful, it doesn't have the BIOS switch. Personally I don't understand the 1GB version of the HD6950 right now. Its cheaper but not amazingly cheaper especially thanks to the rebates being issued out right now. You buy the 2GB version and you get a nice reference card and probably get some extra juice out of it by unlocking the shaders and you pretty much murder some of the more difficult quality settings because of the 2GB VRAM. Its kind of fighting the GTX560 but not really. To be honest, I think the price drop on the HD6870 is going to do more than the 1GB version of the 6950 because games aren't really pushing the envelope when it comes to system specifications anymore. | ||
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Klimpen
New Zealand100 Posts
My problem is that the retailers [online or otherwise] in New Zealand seem extremely overpriced, to the point where I'm considering importing parts from the States. Do any of you guys know of a decent NZ retailer? Or otherwise, does newegg [or equivalent] ship overseas? [Long as shipping is less than ~300usd, it'd be cheaper] | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On January 27 2011 15:11 mav451 wrote: Hmm, I think what original concerned me was the TR's review which mentioned the Proadlizer chip on Gigabyte's GTX 560 Ti SoC card: http://techreport.com/articles.x/20293/3 But yeah you got a good point on the headroom of even the standard cards; Techspot has no problems taking a regular 560 Ti (not SoC) to 1Ghz in their review. Guru3D hits 980 with no voltage tweaks either. This is assuming retail cards perform the same as these review samples. I'll admit some of my initial disappointment came from the [H] review, but considering Kyle didn't OC the 560 Ti at all, it ends up not being a true representation of its performance. If the 560's strength is in the massive, untapped headroom then yeah I'm starting to question if that review is even meaningful, which pains me to say, since I'm a pretty adamant [H] guy. Hrmmm... yeah I heard the MSI version of GTX 560 Ti can overclock really well. I guess I'll find out! *rubs hands* | ||
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semantics
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Ganjamaster
Argentina475 Posts
On December 16 2010 00:51 Ganjamaster wrote: Hey TL, I want to build myself a new PC for gaming and movies mainly. I used to be into computer builds and whatnot but I have not been keeping up to date for a couple of years now so it turns out I don´t know anything anymore for practical purposes. Please advise on a computer build that will suit my needs adequately, I will post the questions on the OP and fill them in for your convenience.Thank you for your time and help, it is much appreciated. What is your budget? 2000 - 2500 USD What is your resolution? I need to buy a new display for this rig as well. I guess the resolution would be limited by the display, hence the highest possible/feasible for the display chosen? What are you using it for? I will be using this computer for gaming of all sorts and general office work (no photoshop, no Autocad or any other design software) What is your upgrade cycle? My upgrade cycle is long. Since importing tech to my country is expensive and time consuming, I only do it every once in while (2 + years), so it must be built to last. When do you plan on building it? I plan on acquiring these parts around mid to the end of February. Do you plan on overclocking? No Do you need an Operating System? No. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? A priori no, but if you think it provides a substantial benefit in any major department, I might consider it. Notes I am moving to a new apartment and this computer will be placed in my new "office". In the living room I am going to put a new, 46 inch HD flatscreen. I would like to watch HD media from my computer on this TV. What is the best way to do so, considering the TV would be located in a separate room than the computer?. Achieving this objective is paramount to building the rig in question (HD GSL on 46 inch tv...) Thanks! As per the suggestion of the tech forum gurus, I am reiterating my petition for information at this time when it is actually relevant as I will be acquiring the components soon. I have been working with the designer about the apartment floorplan and it will be difficult to make a hole in the wall to put an HDMI through (I am still going to try). In consequence, being able to stream wirelessly from the computer to the TV efficiently would be fantastic, although I still want to have an HDMI out from the computer in case it does not work. The TV I am probably going to get is this (suggestions on this are also very welcome!): http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666193161 Additionally, some wireless speaker system recommendation would also be awesome. Again thanks in advance! | ||
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holynorth
United States590 Posts
Going to go with - 8 Gigs DDR3 1333 Ram 7200 500 GB HD 4770 ATI Radeon Graphics Card Phenom II X2 560 (Going to try and unlock) CD/DVD Burner Coolermaster Hyper 212 Fan I do plan on overclocking. I also want a PSU that can support a nicer Graphics card when i upgrade in the next few months - as well as a new processor. I will only run 1 harddrive and 1 optical drive and have no plan on SLI/Crossfire. | ||
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holynorth
United States590 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On January 28 2011 05:01 Ganjamaster wrote: As per the suggestion of the tech forum gurus, I am reiterating my petition for information at this time when it is actually relevant as I will be acquiring the components soon. I have been working with the designer about the apartment floorplan and it will be difficult to make a hole in the wall to put an HDMI through (I am still going to try). In consequence, being able to stream wirelessly from the computer to the TV efficiently would be fantastic, although I still want to have an HDMI out from the computer in case it does not work. The TV I am probably going to get is this (suggestions on this are also very welcome!): http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666193161 Additionally, some wireless speaker system recommendation would also be awesome. Again thanks in advance! With that budget, I would suggest getting two systems, 1 HTPC to use near your TV and one seperate system for gaming and file storage. Wireless HDMI products are pricey, whereas Wireless-N networking (or heck, even oldschool G) is not. For the HTPC, you really dont have to build anything expensive. Virtually all modern CPUs can handle 1080p content. In modern AV systems, you really only have 1 cable going to the TV anyways, just for video. Everything is plugged into the receiver. If you really want to have wireless speakers, I wouldn't bother too much with browsing the internet and asking for advice on systems - everyone will tell you the same story, "LOL". They will insist you spend the money on higher end gear. But I'm a believer in the fact that not everyone cares about discerning every individual frequency of sound, and if you're like that, just goto your local best buy, find some systems in your price range and features, and return to google to see what other owners have to say about it. Let us know what you think. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On January 27 2011 19:01 Klimpen wrote: Hi guise, I'm looking to buy a new comp at some point in the near future. My problem is that the retailers [online or otherwise] in New Zealand seem extremely overpriced, to the point where I'm considering importing parts from the States. Do any of you guys know of a decent NZ retailer? Or otherwise, does newegg [or equivalent] ship overseas? [Long as shipping is less than ~300usd, it'd be cheaper] Do you have any idea on the possibility of shipping form aussieland? I would google for 'new zealand tech forum' or something like that and ask there (even with an aussie forum), if there isn't another NZ'er here who doesn't reply first. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On January 28 2011 11:10 holynorth wrote: I need help picking out what size PSU I need. Going to go with - 8 Gigs DDR3 1333 Ram 7200 500 GB HD 4770 ATI Radeon Graphics Card Phenom II X2 560 (Going to try and unlock) CD/DVD Burner Coolermaster Hyper 212 Fan I do plan on overclocking. I also want a PSU that can support a nicer Graphics card when i upgrade in the next few months - as well as a new processor. I will only run 1 harddrive and 1 optical drive and have no plan on SLI/Crossfire. what kind of budget are you going for? | ||
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holynorth
United States590 Posts
Sorry I forgot that. Something reasonable. I don't really need modular. But I was thinking 50-60. But I will of course spend more if it is worth it. (Just like I did going from 4 gigs of ram to 8) I don't need an exact model, though that would be appreciated, but more or less how much power I should aim for. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
I wouldn't necessarily call going from 4 gigs of RAM to 8 worth it, but that depends. These two should easily handle a much higher-end GPU and some overclocking: Antec Earthwatts 500D -- high efficiency, decent/mediocre performance, good reliability, 80cm fan ($50) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371035 Seasonic S12II Bronze 520W -- high efficiency, good performance, 5 year warranty, quieter 120cm fan ($60) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094 | ||
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Klimpen
New Zealand100 Posts
On January 28 2011 11:28 a176 wrote: Do you have any idea on the possibility of shipping form aussieland? I would google for 'new zealand tech forum' or something like that and ask there (even with an aussie forum), if there isn't another NZ'er here who doesn't reply first. There's roughly a 10% surcharge purely because you're buying from Aus, it's slightly more from New Zealand - hence why if I'm getting a relatively high end computer it becomes viable to have a look to see if importing an entire box would be worth the effort. | ||
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seakeritsniper
Canada10 Posts
On January 27 2011 00:50 Myrmidon wrote: It's compatible, but as FragKrag updated...the Phenom II X6 are pretty much obsolete unless you must get an AMD processor. Even if you're running heavily multi-threaded loads all the time, the Core i5-2x00 are faster. On single-threaded performance and power consumption, they are much better: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=146 If you want to overclock the CPU, you'll need a i5-2500k and LGA 1155 P67 chipset motherboard. Otherwise, another i5-2x00 would be cheaper, and you could get a cheaper LGA 1155 H67 chipset motherboard. Combining CPU and motherboard costs, the new i5-2x00 should be a little bit cheaper than the Phenom II X6. 8GB of RAM is fine, but what are you using it for? (Unless you know why, you might as well just get 2 sticks of 2GB for now.) alright, but im going to be multitasking A LOT so, i do need the 8g ram i have 4g now and i want to be doing so much more things, the six core would go great with that? I like amd cause i thought it has alright performance for way less then intel. i found my cpu on this comparisson chart and was satisfied.http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html but u said the dual core i5 were better at multitasking? if u still stand by that, could u find a compatible mobo too? | ||
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