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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
KaeDu
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7 Posts
January 26 2011 03:43 GMT
#2921
To elaborate on what I have been reading it states that DDR3 is that memory that should be used but the architecture is dual-channel but then goes on to discuss about higher than 8Gb.

http://techwiki.hardwarecanucks.com/product/0MDEzMzQ4/ASUS-SABERTOOTH-P67-motherboard/#spec
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 03:49:58
January 26 2011 03:49 GMT
#2922
It's what the board can support, a stick of memory that has more then 8 gigs on it wont work on that board. i doubt many will run into that issue as a stick that has 8 gigs alone is costly as hell. The board it self supports a total of 32 gigs of memory. meaning it can have 4x8 gig sticks of memory in there. Although most people will use a 2x4 gigs or 2x2gigs or 4x2gig set ups.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 03:51:55
January 26 2011 03:50 GMT
#2923
Okay, just making sure you know what the options are and have a plan for what you're doing.

LGA 1366 systems (and the Xeon equivalent, whatever that is) are the only ones that have a triple channel memory architecture. Most everything currently on the market uses dual channel, unless you're talking about Atom or other low-power architectures. You need 2 (or 4) sticks of RAM on a dual channel system to use dual channel mode. In theory, running 3 (or 6) RAM modules in a triple channel system would give you 50% more memory bandwidth than a dual channel system has...as the name implies.

In practice, the difference is mostly negligible for real-world applications, unless they are memory benchmarks or otherwise involve the transfer of exorbitant amounts of data in and out of RAM nonstop. As you could see in the previously-linked benchmarks, the i7-950's triple channel memory (not to mention hyperthreading on top of that) wasn't enough to compensate for any other advantage the i5-2500 had.

The max memory supported is just saying that with 4 slots, you can get to a max of 32GB only if you have four 8GB modules (which don't exist yet), which almost nobody has because they've very expensive and few need that much RAM anyway.
KaeDu
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7 Posts
January 26 2011 04:02 GMT
#2924
Ok so I believe that I have narrowed it down to these then if I wanted 2x4Gb which would be better

1333Mghz with 7-7-7-21

or

1600Mghz with 9-9-9-24?

FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 04:10:20
January 26 2011 04:10 GMT
#2925
whichever one is cheaper or has the better brand (Corsair/GSkill/Kingston/Mushkin)

or whichever one has the lower voltage 1.5V vs 1.65V
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 04:11:46
January 26 2011 04:11 GMT
#2926
^ That.

Ninja'd
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KaeDu
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7 Posts
January 26 2011 04:12 GMT
#2927
They are both GSkill and have a voltage of 1.5. The difference in price in 5 bucks (109 and 104).
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
January 26 2011 04:17 GMT
#2928
Why are you paying so much for RAM?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231426 $70 after their promo code
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226095

There's also a Newegg-wide 15% off desktop memory promo code, not sure if it stacks with that $70 2x4gb Gskill promo code. DM15A0111US
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Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
January 26 2011 04:24 GMT
#2929
RAM is one of those things that you should be paying the bare minimum for unless you know exactly what you are going to use the tighter timings/higher frequencies for. That's the case with most computer parts really, if you can't answer why you need #####, then 99% of the time you don't need it and you're just wasting your money.

Brand is pretty inconsequential since they source their RAM from the same people (Samsung, Hynix)...only thing you're paying for is aftermarket service really.
KaeDu
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7 Posts
January 26 2011 04:47 GMT
#2930
I appreciate the comments. I think I am going to go with the GSkill sniper because I read on the review of the P67 chipset that 1600-18xxMghz memory is what should perform just fine. They said that you would probably see hits on some games.
D3ath3nat0r
Profile Joined October 2010
United States163 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 05:07:18
January 26 2011 05:03 GMT
#2931
Lil off topic, but what can Intel HD 3000 Graphics handle the most starcraft wise( 4v4 late game 30fps,etc)

8gigs of ddr3 1033 ram
intel core 2500k
Nothing
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
January 26 2011 05:41 GMT
#2932
lowest possible settings will run fine.

Aside from that don't push your luck
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
January 26 2011 10:14 GMT
#2933
On January 26 2011 14:41 FragKrag wrote:
lowest possible settings will run fine.

Aside from that don't push your luck


I like your update on the first post. You even included the latest GTX 560 Ti on there.

lolz I change my build so much, but it's because I'm still waiting to get paid in February and my tax refund should be deposited in my account the first week of February too.

I want to be able to play any PC game that is out now or in the future for the next several years so I went "balls to the wall" with my desktop setup.

( Newegg build)

Case: Cooler Master HAF 932
CPU: i5 2500k
fan: Noctua NH-D14
PSU: 750w Corsair TX
Mobo: Asus Pro (God are they having problems right now, but I'm sure I can fix the issues)
RAM: G skill 2x2 GB DDR3 1600 for $47
SSD: Intel's 120 GB x25 drive
OS: Win 7 (-5 dollars because of combo with PSU)
Keyboard: Rosewill's mechanical RK-9000
DVD: generic drive
Monitor: 23.6" Asus
GPU: last but not least... SLI GTX 560s

Hellz yeah! I can't wait.

I'm coming from a dual core laptop (1.6 GHZ) w/ shitty Intel Integrated Graphics, to a complete BEAST of a machine. Can it play Crysis? FUCK YEAH! Can it play Metro2033? FUCK YEAH!

/nerd excitement! I might stream some SC2 games on Ultra quality with the 560 SLI.


GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
seakeritsniper
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada10 Posts
January 26 2011 10:44 GMT
#2934
im going to upgrade my computer, was wondering if these r compatible, and if u have any suggestions of better setup for about the same price.
sus M4A78T-E Motherboard - 95$
AMD Phenom II 1090T Black Edition Six Core CPU-240$
Corsair XMS CMX4GX3M1A1333C9 4GB 1X4GB DDR3-1333 CL9-9-9-24 DIMM Memory Module - (2 for 45$ each)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 465 (already have)
Primary monitor resolution 1228x690 -32" 720p tv (fine graphix for me =P i use it for sc2) -already hav
Secondary monitor resolution 1440x900- 19" already hav
500gb hd- already hav (all that i need)
I beat everyone, even on school nights.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
January 26 2011 15:50 GMT
#2935
It's compatible, but as FragKrag updated...the Phenom II X6 are pretty much obsolete unless you must get an AMD processor. Even if you're running heavily multi-threaded loads all the time, the Core i5-2x00 are faster. On single-threaded performance and power consumption, they are much better:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=146

If you want to overclock the CPU, you'll need a i5-2500k and LGA 1155 P67 chipset motherboard. Otherwise, another i5-2x00 would be cheaper, and you could get a cheaper LGA 1155 H67 chipset motherboard. Combining CPU and motherboard costs, the new i5-2x00 should be a little bit cheaper than the Phenom II X6.

8GB of RAM is fine, but what are you using it for? (Unless you know why, you might as well just get 2 sticks of 2GB for now.)
PheNOM_
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States417 Posts
January 26 2011 21:32 GMT
#2936
All my stuff is here! Building is commencing, but to be interrupted at 2:40 for sociology...

Will post pictures soon!

Thanks to the people who gave me advice when planning!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184006
Aduromors
Profile Joined July 2009
United States279 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 03:43:41
January 27 2011 01:07 GMT
#2937
where the GTX560 Ti really shines is the overclocking potential, I'd hold off on spending $500 on two for SLI until you see how far you can get one stable and how happy you are with that performance
IceFire
Profile Joined January 2011
United States183 Posts
January 27 2011 03:34 GMT
#2938
I'm planning on building a PC soon but I'm unsure of what to get.

Budget: $750-1000
Resolution: I believe it is 1920x1080
Use: Mostly Gaming, but I may want to stream in the future
Upgrade Cycle: I'm not Really sure, it depends on my situation at the time. Sorry.
Build Time: As Soon as I can.
Overclocking: I don't plan on it
SLI / Crossfire Don't Really know what this is.
Where am I buying it from: Probably Newegg or a similar site.

Thanks in advance for the help.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
January 27 2011 04:13 GMT
#2939
Use promo code DM15A0111US for 15% off memory (valid until end of tomorrow).

Core i5-2400 + Intel H67 motherboard + free Civ5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.575901

Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125363
+ Show Spoiler [alternative] +
Sapphire HD 6850 (cheaper and less powerful, but still enough to run SC2 on ultra at your resolution)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102908

EVGA GTX 570 (more powerful, hotter, more expensive)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130593

Mushkin 2 x 2GB DDR3 RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146748
+ Show Spoiler [alternative] +
You probably don't need 8GB, but RAM is currently pretty cheap. More RAM wouldn't hurt, though practically, it may well not do anything for you either. RAM over 4GB these days will mostly benefit people working on large CAD or A/V editing, or things like that (not gamers).

G.Skill 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231422

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
+ Show Spoiler [maybe add an SSD] +
OCZ Vertex 2 60GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227550

Depending on how you use your comnputer, your priorities, etc., an SSD may or may not be worth it. It certainly won't boost in-game performance, though you can expect much faster access to all data on the drive than for a mechanical hard drive.

LG CD/DVD drive/burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136216

Antec Neo Eco 520C
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371030

Cooler Master 690ii Basic (or whatever case suits your fancy)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119215
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 04:40:37
January 27 2011 04:38 GMT
#2940
My friend may get a desktop or a laptop and may either build his own or go to a building website. So he wanted me to both post a form here and ask which site is the most reliable. (iBuypower looks amazing for the price (we are both pretty tech savvy), but we aren't sure if it's reliable.)

Budget: $1250-1500 (Computer, OS, + Monitor, no peripherals)
Resolution:1920x1080
Use: Gaming, gaming and maybe other stuff
Upgrade Cycle: Depends on what games come out in the future that he needs new hardware for
Build Time: As I said, he is not sure if he is even getting a desktop
Overclocking: Most likely, including flashing a 6950 to a 6970
SLI / Crossfire: Would prefer to stay away from it, better to get a similar single card, maybe flash a 6950.
Where am I buying it from: Newegg if he does do it himself.

We think that a 2500k and a Radeon 6900 series would be perfect for the budget, but we just want to confirm.

EDIT:
Oh yeah, he would prefer an asus p8p67 (standard or pro) because of the dfi bios and bluetooth.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
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