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What is your budget?
$1000-1500 USD
What is your resolution?
1920x1080
What are you using it for?
Gaming, streaming (SC2), and recording
What is your upgrade cycle?
3+ years
When do you plan on building it?
Within the month (unless told to wait until ~June when I hear new-gen gear coming out)
Do you plan on overclocking?
Yes.
Do you need an Operating System?
No.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Not unless it will greatly enhance streaming capabilities.
Where are you buying your parts from?
NewEgg or I can drive to Microcenter.
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On March 21 2013 05:30 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 03:39 Ropid wrote:
I experimented a bit with that, Cyro. If you run something like prime95 with two threads, it seems to jump between cores, so I first experimented with setting core affinity, and then tried switching cores off in the BIOS to have some of the cores completely off for the experiments. I did not look at a different vcore, but the temperature was super low with cores off, and it seemed I could go up something like two notches for the multiplier. I had the idea to try to set something like Intel does by default, a different turbo multiplier when the OS puts some of the cores to sleep. Overall, I got bored as it felt stupid to set a higher multiplier for one or two cores. Windows mostly runs with no core in sleep, from what I've seen. Well with two cores enabled at the lower voltage needed, temps are of course massively lower than four core, its more the lower vcore that intrigues me - I mean there's a gap of like 0.07-0.12v on voltage requirements for 4 core vs 1-2, at least on this CPU, that's not at all small. I have to question why more cores enabled needs more vcore - i was under the impression, at first (not having any idea of inner workings) that voltage requirements would stay the same (with current? rising as you need more concurrent power), but that's obviously not the case, not at all when 4 core needs 1.35v to get into windows yet 1 core prime's at 1.28 If we had some kind of advanced turbo controls we could really abuse this, i mean if i needed for example 1.42v for 5ghz - with that same voltage 5.2 could be achievable two core, 5.3 one-core or something - with the other cores running at a much lower frequency (2.5-4ghz, does not really matter often) and something like sc2 could benefit quite a lot, it's a whole lot of messing around for like 5-7% higher framerates but something that seems pretty entertaining to play with or think about
I don't understand why you don't spend $30 for a better cooler? There's some UK sites with really good prices, you guys have that whole currency thing going on too. More cores enabled/HT always needs more voltage, of course, it's more billions of more operations.
It's why the highest overclocks are the FX-8350 locked to a single core and a single core Celeron.
The problem with turbo is that you aren't saying Core 0 to X frequency, Core to X1, etc, what you are setting is X frequency for all of the cores, if only a single core is being utilized (or 2, or 3). So you have to basically run prime95 for 24 hours, locked to a single core, for every core, to make sure each core can be stable on that frequency. And you'll more likely find that it's a certain weaker core holding back your overclock, rather than all cores being used causes a lower overclock.
That's part of the reason why the more RAM you have, the harder it is to overclock, and why 4 sticks doesn't overclock as far as 2 (there does seem to be conflicting opinions on 2x2 vs 4x2 memory bandwidth but more sticks will still overclock less, #2 hwbot score is still with 2x2 and #1/3 are with 16gb max ram anyways).
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You can set Core 0 to x and Core 1 to y and so on for most non-shit boards fyi..
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You can't. That setting is for Turbo when you are utilizing 1 core, 2 core, 3 core, and all cores. It is not setting Core 0, core 1, core 2, core 3. That's why in the settings it doesn't say core 0, it says core 1.
And I don't use shit boards, I'm currently using a z77x-ud5h, i've also used the ud3h, extreme4, a few msi boards (those were shit boards, but same settings as gigabyte), the lk and pro. Has nothing to do with 'shit boards' either, the gigabyte d3h has the same bios and settings as the g1 sniper, and gigabyte is well known to be the best z77 boards right now. MSI and asrock have tons of 'shit boards' but their uefi settings are all the same - actually i'd say their uefi is much better than that of gigabyte. UEFI settings hardly dictate if a board is 'shit' or not.
I only want to keep things civil in the forum. If anyone is upset by the topic of conversation we can just drop it.
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I don't understand why you don't spend $30 for a better cooler?
A better cooler wont get you 5.3ghz below 1.5v on four cores, thats a whole other argument - im not talking about using some weird ass overclock as a result of awful cooling, just exploring potentials with no thermal ceiling.
You can set Core 0 to x and Core 1 to y and so on for most non-shit boards fyi
But you have to have 1 vcore always even if you can do this.. Would the extra, lower frequency cores impact vcore requirements on the overclocked one/s? i plan to experiment more, it would be pretty cool if, for example, you could have a 24/7 5ghz overclock, or two core 5.2/5.3 and two core 3.5 on a toggle.
Hell, for sc2, you dont even need 2 cores - I mean the game benefits greatly from a second core (for secondary tasks) and seems to get a little benefit from a third (it's not clear if 2 strong cores removes this benefit or if regardless, you need three) but in theory, you could run one core at a high overclock, significantly higher than possible with 4 cores - and keep the other cores at stock or slightly above, for maximum ingame FPS
Of course we're talking under 10% gains, but then again it's the same going from a moderate overclock to a high one anyway - and in the end its probably down to being just a bit of fun
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On March 21 2013 01:29 Nuf wrote:Hello! So I am going to build a new computer, as my old one is, well, old. My hardware is outdated and quite worn out. I am going to answer the questions that you've asked the best I can. + Show Spoiler +What is my budget?
My budget is around the 1k$ mark.
What is my resolution?
Well, currently I play on highest resolution on my computer, which is 1680x1050. I would however like to play on 1920 × 1080.
What am I using it for?
Entertainment. Gaming mostly. Watching some videos, listening to some music and so on. I would like it to be able to stream the games I play. Which can range from a new fps to SC II.
What is my upgrade cycle?
I usually have my technology for 3 years+. I know how to take care of it, and how to maintain it. So yeah, my upgrade cycle is 3 years at the bare minimum. (I'm not sure if I understood this question entirely correctly)
When do I plan on building it?
Now. ASAP.
Do I plan on overclocking?
Nope.
Do I need an OS?
Nope
Do I plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I'm not entirely sure. That is for you guys to decide with the budget I have set, kept in mind.
Where am I buying my parts from?
Well, I'm from Denmark. Just north of Germany. Shops are pretty expensive in Denmark, and you are not 100% sure that you can get all the new parts that other countries might have access to, but keep in mind I live close to germany.
Thank you guys for this thread, I see that it has helped lots of people, and you deserve some recognition for your work.
Regards,
Dejan // Nuf
P.S - This is a copy of a post I did before. I was told that they couldn't help me because of the time frame I had set before.
Hopefully now everything is well, and I am helpable :D
i5-3570 - 1430kr - about as good as it gets without overclocking. Overclocking would be somewhat better for your purposes - but also more expensive & technically demanding. May not give you a professional-quality SCII stream - but will be good enough for decent SCII & quite good quality streaming in other games.
MSI B75ma-p45 - 430kr - a cheap mATX mobo. Runs the above. Not a ton of expansion slots. If you use wifi, get an USB adapter rather than internal card.
Sapphire 7850 - 1230kr - comes with two games. Should max graphics on though not all games on your current monitor, be pretty good on 1920x1080.
Corsair 2x4gb Vengeance RAM - 450kr - won't fit an after-market cooler. Shouldn't matter because you'll be using the stock cooler since you're not overclocking. Lower profile is 30kr more.
Fractal Design Core 1000 - 300kr - cheap but decent case. mATX sized - CANNOT fit larger standard ATX motherboards. If you want that larger size, consider the Corsair Carbide 200r for 180kr more.
XFX Core 450w v2 - 390kr - cheap. quality. sufficient wattage. Always a nice choice in europe.
Samsung 840 120gb SSD - 685kr - put your OS & programs you want to load zoom-zoom fast here
Seagate Barracuda 1tb hdd - 490kr - put the rest of your stuff here. A 2tb drive would cost 160kr more if you want more space.
DVD-burner - 140kr
Total: 5545 kroner from komplett.dk, which according to my currency calculator is under $1000. I didn't check if a german site like alternate.de or hardwareversand.de would be cheaper. Note that I was unable to fit a new monitor into the budget. You could drop the price of the above by nearly 1000-1500 kroner by eliminating the SSD & dropping to a lesser video card, maybe re-using case & psu?, and that might get you started on getting a new monitor. Would make sense for SC2 - but more graphically intensive games will feel the hurt, so ultimately I didn't recommend that.
http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=748722
http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=749862
http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=760515
http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=618010
http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=635712#extra
http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=657684
http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=765972
http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=653050
http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=761524
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Remember to thank e-sports sponsors you buy from, telling them what you bought!
MSI (team fnatic, some smaller stuff)
Sapphire (EG, Dreamhack, others?)
Corsair (Dota 2 Dreamhack, boo, team Millenium, yay)
Samsung (WCG)
Intel (various)
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Well with background applications and gaming I think the load would be high enough that you are basically going to be running your turbo on whatever your 4 core setting is.
It's a ton of 'in theory' stuff you are getting in to, and it's extremely tedious to test for because you gotta lock prime95 to a single worker, affinity to a single core, and then repeat that exact same test for all cores. It gets even more complicated when you turbo boost 2 cores - you gotta run prime95 for 24 hours with affinity set to cores 0-1, 0-2, 0-3, then 1-2, 1-3, then 2-2, 2-3, then 3-3.
You can't set core 1 or core 2 to X frequency, you are setting the CPU to use X frequency when only a certain number of cores are being used, so one time it'll be 5ghz@Core 0, the next time it's 5ghz@Core2. It's random which core will get that single core Turbo boost, it's not applied to only a certain core every time.
It's just tons of complicated work for very little gains. Just go with .1v higher vcore than you'd need if you used some high single turbo overclock and be done with it. And like I said, overclocking is generally limited because of one of the cores being worse than the others, not because using all 4 cores is harder than using 1. So your single core Turbo will likely be just as limited as your general overclock, using less voltage is just the result of not stressing your chip nearly as much as if using all cores.
A better cooler wont get you 5.3ghz below 1.5v on four cores, thats a whole other argument - im not talking about using some weird ass overclock as a result of awful cooling, just exploring potentials with no thermal ceiling.
Dude you are running basically a stock cooler, you need a heatsink. You aren't going to get 5.3ghz under 1.6v even with a golden chip. I get what you are saying, believe me, I tried to do the same thing. The amount of testing you have to do is utterly insane for very little results, given system and background applications, it's not like using a dual-threaded game will only use 2 cores, you are going to trip it so that it'll max turbo as if it's using all 4 cores.
Try it. Change your turbo settings to like X, X, Y, Y, and play SC2. I'm pretty sure your CPU will run at Y, not X. Not to mention streaming.
Of course we're talking under 10% gains, but then again it's the same going from a moderate overclock to a high one anyway - and in the end its probably down to being just a bit of fun
More than 10% from 4.5 to 5. My Passmark and HWbot scores went up like 40% from a 43% overclock.
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I dont understand why you keep bringing current cooling capability into this? There's a ton of stuff i could talk about but i dont feel like debating for hours and ruining build resource thread, so forget i mentioned anything
The amount of testing you have to do is utterly insane for very little results
If you can set and lock frequencies separately the problem with testing combinations etc no longer exists. Im not 100% sure if you can but i think so in software. Once you hit voltage limits you cant go any higher, you said it yourself even a golden chip would not get better than 5.3ghz at 1.6v - you cant get >5 without passing 1.5v, but if you could lock core 1 to 5.3ghz, core 2, 3, 4 to 4ghz on that 1.5v, it would be a pretty appealing option for someone who cares enough about the slightest bit of performance enough to overclock RAM to 2400mhz cl8 1.7vdimm, dont you think? I thought it was an interesting idea, but i dont want to discuss further, at least in thread. It's not very practical, anyway
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On March 21 2013 05:57 topherthetoad wrote:What is your budget?$1000-1500 USD What is your resolution?1920x1080 + Show Spoiler +What are you using it for?
Gaming, streaming (SC2), and recording
What is your upgrade cycle?
3+ years
When do you plan on building it?
Within the month (unless told to wait until ~June when I hear new-gen gear coming out)
Do you plan on overclocking?
Yes.
Do you need an Operating System?
No.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Not unless it will greatly enhance streaming capabilities.
Where are you buying your parts from?
NewEgg or I can drive to Microcenter.
i5-3570k ($190) - in store @ microcenter
Asrock z77 pro4 ($69 - after a $40 off in store bundle deal) - @ microcenter. Make sure to raise holy hell if they don't give you the $40 off for bundling with i5-3570k. They should give it to you.
Xigmatek Gaia cooler ($20)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082&Tpk=xigmatek gaia&IsVirtualParent=1
Crucial Ballistix 2x4gb 1600mhz RAM ($49 after $5 off) - in store @ microcenter. Again, the discount is for buying with CPU + mobo, make sure you get it.
Gigabyte 7950 ($295)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=67546&vpn=GV-R795WF3-3GD&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1397
Comes with Crysis 3 & Bioshock download coupons.
Bit Fenix Ghost case ($80) - you can go cheaper, this one has some sound-dampening
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=73006&vpn=BFC-GHO-300-KKN1-RP&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1323
XFX Core 450w PSU ($53)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63238&vpn=P1450SX2B9&manufacture=XFX&promoid=1257
Samsung 840 120gb SSD ($100)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=77210&vpn=MZ-7TD120BW&manufacture=Samsung Memory & Storage&promoid=1323
Seagate 1tb HDD ($70)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=65701&vpn=ST1000DM003&manufacture=Seagate&promoid=1323
If you're serious about recording a lot of raw video, you may want to put two of these (or two of the 2TB versions, $30 more than the 1tb version) together in RAID 0.
Asus DVD-burner ($18)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=49597&vpn=DRW-24B1ST Bulk&manufacture=ASUS&promoid=1323
Total: $944, including shipping. Not including tax, OS, peripherals, usb wifi dongle, gas to get to microcenter, or whatever. If you feel the urge to spend the rest of your budget, I suggest a big fancy monitor or deciding if you want to spruce up your stream quality in some way (anywhere from a capture card all the way up to a second encoding PC like the professionals).
Remember to thank e-sports sponsors you buy from.
Asus (various)
Samsung (WCG)
Gigabyte (various)
Asrock (just sponsored Incredible Miracle)
Intel (various)
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I dont understand why you keep bringing current cooling capability into this? There's a ton of stuff i could talk about but i dont feel like debating for hours and ruining build resource thread, so forget i mentioned anything
You shouldn't be overclocking on stock cooling.
If you can set and lock frequencies separately the problem with testing combinations etc no longer exists. Im not 100% sure if you can but i think so in software.
You can't.
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On March 21 2013 06:49 Belial88 wrote:Show nested quote +Of course we're talking under 10% gains, but then again it's the same going from a moderate overclock to a high one anyway - and in the end its probably down to being just a bit of fun More than 10% from 4.5 to 5. My Passmark and HWbot scores went up like 40% from a 43% overclock.
Yeah that game Passmark is something else. Instant classic 
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I'm putting in an official help ticket.
What I already have:
- Radeon 5830 1GB (yeah, i know)
- Hard drive
- SSD 120GB Vertex 3
- Windows 7 (can't figure out how to get it on the SSD yet, since I didn't buy a CD, but rather an upgrade from XP to W7 from an online download link - legit copy)
What I need:
1) Case (I'm really liking the Fractal Define R4 http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B008HD3EFA/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&colid=39YMPJ88RXOU&coliid=I387J11JSZY90&condition=new
2) PSU
3) Mobo (less than $150)
4) CPU
4.5) CPU cooling maybe? is there a significant difference between the stock fan and a bought fan? (not interested in liquid cooling)
Info:
- looking to spend around $600 for the additional components i need.
- I do want to overclock, but not hard core.
- No 2nd GPU necessary.
- Building it in the next few weeks
- Upgrade cycle - 5 or so years. relatively low.
- US California Orange County. I live close to Frys and Microcenter. I like Amazon and Tigerdirect, Not so much Newegg b/c the prices aren't that good on top of having to pay sales tax and usually there is no free shipping - but i'll consider Newegg.
Usage:
- SC2,
- Dota 2,
- mad internet browsing.
- I do CAD solidworks 3d modeling.
(Modeling is handled fine on my old rig, but rendering those models is not as fast. It would be nice to be able to keep a rig for a long time and have it be able to render those 3d models at a decent pace. I don't use CAD all the time, nor do i need it to render instantly. )
General questions I have:
1) PSU: How do i determine how much wattage I need? What is the typical power usage when running a game / browsing with a few programs?
2) Mobo: What makes a good mobo?
3) CPU: i understand the differences between intel cores well, but i want to understand how to judge one cores of the same "architecture" if you will (e.g. one i7 core different from another i7 core).
Thanks a bunch in advance!
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Well, your graphics card and other older components seem totally fine so unless you really want a new card for your 3d modeling(I know much about it so naturally cannot help with that) those components should first of all be fine.
As for the other components, Nanoxia Deep Silence should be better than Fractal Design R4 in every way but they probably still don't sell it in the states so that one's good enough if you like it.
Microcenter should have some decent deals for motherboard + 3570k at:
http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/intel-processor-bundles.aspx
Hmmm, not the best motherboards at the moment, actually. The Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H LGA 1155 Z77 ATX should be decent at that price, but it might still be worth it to get the Asrock Extreme4 there instead, as it's still really cheap. Either way, we're left with something like 300 for the other components:
First of all, yeah if you're overclocking, you want to get a better cooler. Luckily, for Ivybridge the actual strenght of the cooling isn't all that relevant because of how the chip heats with higher voltages. That's why you should be completely fine with something basic like this for even a bit higher overclocks:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/373900/Hyper_212_EVO_Universal_CPU_Cooler for 30$
After that, just the PSU would be left. That setup of yours really doesn't use much power at all. You'd be fine with a decent, 80+ Bronze(or better) 400-450w unit even if you're planning on getting a better graphics card down the road. This is probably the best option:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 for 64.99$.
However, it is a bit costly and it's from Newegg. Still, you have a ton of the budget left to spare, and it'll easily last for your next build as well. It's still not really worth it going for cheaper options, at least Microcenter only has like a CX430 at 48 dollars and it's not worth getting one over the Capstone 450 at all.
Hopefully this gave you an idea of what sort of components you should be getting, and I apologize for my relative unfamiliarity with the american stores.
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On March 21 2013 14:55 waffling1 wrote:
General questions I have:
1) PSU: How do i determine how much wattage I need? What is the typical power usage when running a game / browsing with a few programs?
2) Mobo: What makes a good mobo?
3) CPU: i understand the differences between intel cores well, but i want to understand how to judge one cores of the same "architecture" if you will (e.g. one i7 core different from another i7 core).
Thanks a bunch in advance!
Typical power usage for gaming would be under 200w-300w for the modern i5 and ~$250 graphics card. Rosewill Capstone 450 for $65 is the best unit to get as already mentioned unless you want to be cheap or spend more for fully modular / 7 year support / platinum
What makes a good motherboard is the vrm, chipsets, bios, and many other things. Microcenter has the ASUS P8Z77-V LK which is a decent board for like $80 after mail in rebate when purchased with a 3570k.
Not sure what you're talking about CPUs. All the core i7 of the same architecture are the same except for the clock speed. There's only one core i7 Ivybridge and that's the core i7 3770. The different suffixes are like hardly relevant. If you're not overclocking than get the no suffix one and if you're ovoerclocking than get the K suffix one (which signifies unlocked). S and T signifies slow and terrible.
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On March 21 2013 16:09 skyR wrote:
S and T signifies slow and terrible.
I love what people come up with for the low power suffixes, hehe. I remember myrm calls T 'Third rate'.
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On March 21 2013 06:36 MisterFred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 01:29 Nuf wrote:Hello! So I am going to build a new computer, as my old one is, well, old. My hardware is outdated and quite worn out. I am going to answer the questions that you've asked the best I can. + Show Spoiler +What is my budget?
My budget is around the 1k$ mark.
What is my resolution?
Well, currently I play on highest resolution on my computer, which is 1680x1050. I would however like to play on 1920 × 1080.
What am I using it for?
Entertainment. Gaming mostly. Watching some videos, listening to some music and so on. I would like it to be able to stream the games I play. Which can range from a new fps to SC II.
What is my upgrade cycle?
I usually have my technology for 3 years+. I know how to take care of it, and how to maintain it. So yeah, my upgrade cycle is 3 years at the bare minimum. (I'm not sure if I understood this question entirely correctly)
When do I plan on building it?
Now. ASAP.
Do I plan on overclocking?
Nope.
Do I need an OS?
Nope
Do I plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I'm not entirely sure. That is for you guys to decide with the budget I have set, kept in mind.
Where am I buying my parts from?
Well, I'm from Denmark. Just north of Germany. Shops are pretty expensive in Denmark, and you are not 100% sure that you can get all the new parts that other countries might have access to, but keep in mind I live close to germany.
Thank you guys for this thread, I see that it has helped lots of people, and you deserve some recognition for your work.
Regards,
Dejan // Nuf
P.S - This is a copy of a post I did before. I was told that they couldn't help me because of the time frame I had set before.
Hopefully now everything is well, and I am helpable :D + Show Spoiler +i5-3570 - 1430kr - about as good as it gets without overclocking. Overclocking would be somewhat better for your purposes - but also more expensive & technically demanding. May not give you a professional-quality SCII stream - but will be good enough for decent SCII & quite good quality streaming in other games. MSI B75ma-p45 - 430kr - a cheap mATX mobo. Runs the above. Not a ton of expansion slots. If you use wifi, get an USB adapter rather than internal card. Sapphire 7850 - 1230kr - comes with two games. Should max graphics on though not all games on your current monitor, be pretty good on 1920x1080. Corsair 2x4gb Vengeance RAM - 450kr - won't fit an after-market cooler. Shouldn't matter because you'll be using the stock cooler since you're not overclocking. Lower profile is 30kr more. Fractal Design Core 1000 - 300kr - cheap but decent case. mATX sized - CANNOT fit larger standard ATX motherboards. If you want that larger size, consider the Corsair Carbide 200r for 180kr more. XFX Core 450w v2 - 390kr - cheap. quality. sufficient wattage. Always a nice choice in europe. Samsung 840 120gb SSD - 685kr - put your OS & programs you want to load zoom-zoom fast here Seagate Barracuda 1tb hdd - 490kr - put the rest of your stuff here. A 2tb drive would cost 160kr more if you want more space. DVD-burner - 140kr Total: 5545 kroner from komplett.dk, which according to my currency calculator is under $1000. I didn't check if a german site like alternate.de or hardwareversand.de would be cheaper. Note that I was unable to fit a new monitor into the budget. You could drop the price of the above by nearly 1000-1500 kroner by eliminating the SSD & dropping to a lesser video card, maybe re-using case & psu?, and that might get you started on getting a new monitor. Would make sense for SC2 - but more graphically intensive games will feel the hurt, so ultimately I didn't recommend that. http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=748722http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=749862http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=760515http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=618010http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=635712#extrahttp://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=657684http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=765972http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=653050http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=761524Edit: Remember to thank e-sports sponsors you buy from, telling them what you bought! MSI (team fnatic, some smaller stuff) Sapphire (EG, Dreamhack, others?) Corsair (Dota 2 Dreamhack, boo, team Millenium, yay) Samsung (WCG) Intel (various)
Hey! Thanks for the quick reply. I looked at your build, and I figured I'd show you what I have come up with. Also, I didn't mention that I already have:
A case http://www.zalman.com/global/product/Product_Read.php?Idx=476
A HDD http://www.proshop.dk/Harddisk/Western-Digital-WD-Blue-1TB-2350133.html
A BluRay/DVD drive
A power supply; although I'm pretty sure that needs to be changed.
So here's my build, I'd love feedback and suggestions;
CPU; Intel Core i5 3570k http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=660227
Motherboard; I'm a bit unsure here. I'm leaning towards an MSI Z77 Board, I'm just very unsure about which one. What would you say about this one? http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=760429
GPU; MSI GeForce GTX 660 TF OC - 2GB GDDR5
http://www.proshop.dk/Grafikkort/MSI-GeForce-GTX-660-TF-OC-2GB-GDDR5-2376533.html
PSU; Not sure about this one either, would love to have some recommended.
RAM; http://www.edbpriser.dk/ram/kingston-hyperx-predator-4-x-4-gb-id-7082734.aspx Need feedback on this choise. I would like these as they are not too expensive and insanely fast.
I think that's everything, not sure if I'm missing out on something. Please answer 
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On March 21 2013 15:44 Shikyo wrote:Well, your graphics card and other older components seem totally fine so unless you really want a new card for your 3d modeling(I know much about it so naturally cannot help with that) those components should first of all be fine. As for the other components, Nanoxia Deep Silence should be better than Fractal Design R4 in every way but they probably still don't sell it in the states so that one's good enough if you like it. Microcenter should have some decent deals for motherboard + 3570k at: http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/intel-processor-bundles.aspx Hmmm, not the best motherboards at the moment, actually. The Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H LGA 1155 Z77 ATX should be decent at that price, but it might still be worth it to get the Asrock Extreme4 there instead, as it's still really cheap. Either way, we're left with something like 300 for the other components: First of all, yeah if you're overclocking, you want to get a better cooler. Luckily, for Ivybridge the actual strenght of the cooling isn't all that relevant because of how the chip heats with higher voltages. That's why you should be completely fine with something basic like this for even a bit higher overclocks: http://www.microcenter.com/product/373900/Hyper_212_EVO_Universal_CPU_Cooler for 30$ After that, just the PSU would be left. That setup of yours really doesn't use much power at all. You'd be fine with a decent, 80+ Bronze(or better) 400-450w unit even if you're planning on getting a better graphics card down the road. This is probably the best option: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 for 64.99$. However, it is a bit costly and it's from Newegg. Still, you have a ton of the budget left to spare, and it'll easily last for your next build as well. It's still not really worth it going for cheaper options, at least Microcenter only has like a CX430 at 48 dollars and it's not worth getting one over the Capstone 450 at all. Hopefully this gave you an idea of what sort of components you should be getting, and I apologize for my relative unfamiliarity with the american stores.
i hear the asus boards are friendlier for OC than gigabyte boards due to software.
why that board over others? what's the tradeoffs and reasoning?
It's still not really worth it going for cheaper options, at least Microcenter only has like a CX430 at 48 dollars and it's not worth getting one over the Capstone 450 at all.
why?
The rosewill seems to be pretty popular. $65 seems like a lot. for 15 dollars more i can get a 750W, which would handle just about anything, relatively speaking. if it was 50 dollars or so, i'd go for a 450 W. How do you calculate the power requirements? can you use CPUz, GPUz, or other programs and multiply out the total wattage?
450 is really enough for future GPU upgrades and overclocking?
I'm not trying to be cheeky. as you can tell, i'm terrible with following orders without knowing the reason behind them. (I was a pretty terrible soldier too). I'm just trying to hold onto some info or reasoning that I can equip and base my decision on.
Thanks very much for your help.
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Just because it says 750W doesn't mean it's good. Or that it even delivers that much power. A quality 450 is good enough for any single GPU setup. A known quality 450 > Some random 750. And if the 750 is only 15 dollars more I wouldn't bet on much quality.
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Oh I totally misread that as LX. Yeah, Asus P8Z77-V LK is the better option if you think you're going to overclock decently high, like 4.5Ghz+ range.
Capstone 450 is first of all a 550W 80+ Silver unit and secondly wattage that you don't use is worthless. It can even be less power efficient as it's underloaded all the time. Capstone >>> 750W 80+ Bronze power supply for anything that uses less than ~600W max consumption, even though the Capstone can handle even more than that.
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