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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On December 11 2012 10:57 skyR wrote: Most Intel boards don't offer much features and aren't intended for overclocking. What's the difference between Q and the other options? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On December 11 2012 10:24 MisterFred wrote: First of all, kudos for actually posting something short. That is good. Second, to quote the article you linked: Meaning, of course, that such a measurement is not very useful for determining the power use, or heat output, of a CPU. You read the article wrong. It is not saying an i5-3570k reaches above 150w total power draw easily. It is saying an i5-3570k + mobo + RAM + case fans + HDD + GTX 590 + Power Supply inefficiency easily surpasses 150w total power draw. You are correct, but the total system draw is going to be under 100w. These chips are pushing 250w overclocked, and system load when only the CPU is being used is going to be very, very low outside the CPU itself, less than 100w for sure. I do agree we should be looking at a better bench though, but I think these results are the best I've seen so far on this topic. So, anecdotes, forum posts, and dismissing a valid comment about methodology, wrapped up in a nice wall of text. I'm done with this discussion, until and unless you bring something both new and relevant to the table. I'm here to offer practical advice to people, and to help people who don't have much money, like I was when I first joined TL. I almost didn't build a computer because the $400-500+ people were telling me to spend was way too much, and looking back on it, I could have spent even less and done fine. The core of this argument we're having, is you having a problem with my recommendation that for $39, the Logisys Assassin is the best heatsink to buy, bar none, for new. If you have a better suggestion, please let me know, but there are quite a few people around here asking for what heatsink to buy, and have terrible ideas on what to get (h70, zalman, ughghgh). My advice on the Logisys Assassin for $39 I think is very solid, and I think your being very counter-productive here. http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=33412 The Logisys Assassin is a top tier performing air cooler, and benchmarks regularly show that: + Show Spoiler + http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Gamer-Storm-Assassin-CPU-Cooler-Review/1540/6 http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/LGA-2011-i7-3960X-Air-Overclocking,3130-17.html (yes, i know th is crap, simply just posting as many as i can until you realize your wrong, and it even shows evo far behind) http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-detail/deepcool-gamer-storm-assassin-cpu-cooler/7/ "The Assassin performed very closely to our custom waco set-up." maybe not the best site, just another of the, granted, relatively few, reviews out there on this cooler http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/deepcool-assassin_5.html#sect1 This bench shows the Phanteks > Assassin, but not by much, showing that it's still a top tier class cooler, and even the bottom graph shows the assassin holding it's own vs dual towers with 140mm fans instead of 120+140 http://www.overclock.net/t/1289884/finished-assassin-vs-nh-d14-vs-phanteks-vs-cm-v8-vs-hyper-612-vs-hyper-212/60 You also gotta recall most reviews test the stock fans, or 120+140mm fans instead of 2x140mm like many dual towers come with by default (SA, Phanteks) and that the Assassin really shines with 3x140mm fans, and that the stock fans of the Assassin are actually pretty bad and placed on ass backwards. I really don't think any heatsink comes close to value or performance for under $70, unless maybe the hyper 212+ but only in pure degress lowered vs stock per dollar and every marginal increase in higher delta temps is harder to come by, but the hyper 212+/evo simply isn't enough cooling for certain chips and overclocks (i5s, phenom x4s, i7s, FX), and if you got $39, the assassin is just a huge step up. If you want, we can move this to PM, but I'm not going to stop recommending the Assassin until another cooler comes as a better deal (it'd have to be a dual tower for cheaper...) or this deal expires or a lower performing cooler sells for like $25 in the class of megahalems or h50 (h50 is $25 used though... great deal). | ||
Nightops
United States66 Posts
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128540 CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116775 GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150605 Case: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=77540&promoid=1306 RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096 PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 Fan: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 Optical drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106276 Hard drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769 | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On December 11 2012 15:39 Nightops wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Okay guys, here's the revised build that my friend and I put together for him. He's trying to build his first computer that can play new gen games for around 500-600 dollars. Can you guys look through this all and recommend any changes, or point out anything that I am missing. Thanks! Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128540 CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116775 GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150605 Case: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=77540&promoid=1306 RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096 PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 Fan: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 Optical drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106276 Hard drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769 You need an order over $50 on NCIX to qualify for free shipping so best to get some other stuff from there as well like the HDD which is $10 less expensive: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=58402&promoid=1306 and the burner which is $3 less: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=49597&promoid=1306 You don't need a Hyper 212+ for a core i3. The Gigabyte 7870 is better at $230 so why get a XFX model that is worse for more? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125418 | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On December 11 2012 14:33 Belial88 wrote: You are correct, but the total system draw is going to be under 100w. Okay... On December 11 2012 14:33 Belial88 wrote: These chips are pushing 250w overclocked, and system load when only the CPU is being used is going to be very, very low outside the CPU itself, less than 100w for sure. The chart does not even go up to 200w for total system draw. 250w as claimed is far above this. ![[image loading]](http://images.anandtech.com/doci/5763/1.25%20volts_575px.png) Where are you getting your 250w figure from. Please explain, nobody else is having this trouble. (this is the 3570k btw) EDIT: Oh I see you were using the terrible bit-tech one, where they didn't even specify what voltage they overclocked with. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On December 11 2012 16:08 Rollin wrote: Okay... The chart does not even go up to 200w for total system draw. 250w as claimed is far above this. Where are you getting your 250w figure from. Please explain, nobody else is having this trouble. (this is the 3570k btw) EDIT: Oh I see you were using the terrible bit-tech one, where they didn't even specify what voltage they overclocked with. The bit-tech review gets a 4.7 (or 4.8ghz?) ivy bridge at 261 watts. So the system draws only 11 watts, duh. Anyways, even with that number... considering the power supply alone is 10-15% inefficiency (their PSU is an 85+, and since its a 1kw psu at 25% load, it's probably on the lower end.) Which at 260 watts would be approximately 40 watts (I'm slightly highballing it). A GTX 590 draws 50W at idle according to tech powerup power consumption. Meaning the rest of the system gets 20W to fulfill his claim. And that's assuming the GPU is 100% idle, etc. etc. | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On December 11 2012 15:39 Nightops wrote: Okay guys, here's the revised build that my friend and I put together for him. He's trying to build his first computer that can play new gen games for around 500-600 dollars. Can you guys look through this all and recommend any changes, or point out anything that I am missing. Thanks! Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128540 CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116775 GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150605 Case: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=77540&promoid=1306 RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096 PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 Fan: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 Optical drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106276 Hard drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769 You don't need an aftermarket HSF when your not overclocking. XFX HD7000 series are trash, they only thing vendors have to do is cool the GPU and XFX failed miserably this time around. The ram you picked is 1.35v C11 which is kind of pointless when you can get 1.5v C9 for cheaper. I would suggest going with these instead: i3-3220 & DVD Burner $128.98 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1163383 Gigabyte HD7870 3fan & Mushkin 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1600 $259.98 2 free games http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1156003 Also if you still want an aftermarket HSF I would go with something cheaper like the TX3. EDIT: Am I the only one who actually looks for combo deals on newegg? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Nightops
United States66 Posts
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
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Molinder
France4 Posts
I want to upgrade my CPU in order to play AND stream SC2 with decent stream quality (480p or a bit higher would be enough). If possible I'd like to play on medium settings, if not then low settings to stream would be okay. Right now I have an Athlon X2 2.51GHz CPU which makes my PC lag a lot at late game situations, with an ATI Radeon 3870 which I will upgrade when i can save more money. I'm not very confident about choosing by myself, so could you could recommend me a CPU + motherboard for approximately 170-180 euros? Should I go for an i3 3220 or would a similar AMD Quad core perform better? Maybe the Phenom ll 965 x4? Thanks in advance | ||
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Nuttyguy
United Kingdom1526 Posts
http://uk.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4144#sp does this have 6 or 8 sata ports? looks kind of misleading to me. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On December 11 2012 21:39 Nuttyguy wrote: quick question http://uk.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4144#sp does this have 6 or 8 sata ports? looks kind of misleading to me. 2 intel 6gbps 4 intel 3gbps 2 marvell 6gbps so 8 in total. companies usually have to add their own 6gbps ports cause intel is retarded. | ||
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Nuttyguy
United Kingdom1526 Posts
On December 11 2012 21:53 Shauni wrote: 2 intel 6gbps 4 intel 3gbps 2 marvell 6gbps so 8 in total. companies usually have to add their own 6gbps ports cause intel is retarded. Thanks | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
On December 11 2012 19:39 Molinder wrote: Hello, I want to upgrade my CPU in order to play AND stream SC2 with decent stream quality (480p or a bit higher would be enough). If possible I'd like to play on medium settings, if not then low settings to stream would be okay. Right now I have an Athlon X2 2.51GHz CPU which makes my PC lag a lot at late game situations, with an ATI Radeon 3870 which I will upgrade when i can save more money. I'm not very confident about choosing by myself, so could you could recommend me a CPU + motherboard for approximately 170-180 euros? Should I go for an i3 3220 or would a similar AMD Quad core perform better? Maybe the Phenom ll 965 x4? Thanks in advance recommended : You can either switch to intel, which will cost you about 250€ for an i5-3450, MSI b75ma-p45 and 4gb RAM (yours wouldn't be compatible) But you can also stick to AMD since your on a low budget and get a phenom II x4 955 (which should be compatible with your motherboard) for around 85€ depending on your motherboard, you could get a heatsink and OC it a bit too for better performance (~25€) This isn't that recommended because it is not as good an upgrade as switchong to intel would be, but it would definitly still be one, and you'll be able to stream 720p The i3 is dualcore with HT, so not good for streaming and gaming at the same time | ||
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Molinder
France4 Posts
On December 11 2012 22:38 Rachnar wrote: recommended : You can either switch to intel, which will cost you about 250€ for an i5-3450, MSI b75ma-p45 and 4gb RAM (yours wouldn't be compatible) But you can also stick to AMD since your on a low budget and get a phenom II x4 955 (which should be compatible with your motherboard) for around 85€ depending on your motherboard, you could get a heatsink and OC it a bit too for better performance (~25€) This isn't that recommended because it is not as good an upgrade as switchong to intel would be, but it would definitly still be one, and you'll be able to stream 720p The i3 is dualcore with HT, so not good for streaming and gaming at the same time Thanks for your response. My current motherboard isn't compatible with that CPU, it's quite old. I heard i3 3220 can easily move SC2 but I'm not sure how would it perform while streaming. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On December 11 2012 23:08 Molinder wrote: Thanks for your response. My current motherboard isn't compatible with that CPU, it's quite old. I heard i3 3220 can easily move SC2 but I'm not sure how would it perform while streaming. It can do Starcraft pretty decently, but as he said it's a dual core with hyperthreading, so it won't be that great for streaming (i.e. don't stream with it). | ||
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Molinder
France4 Posts
On December 11 2012 23:11 Alryk wrote: It can do Starcraft pretty decently, but as he said it's a dual core with hyperthreading, so it won't be that great for streaming (i.e. don't stream with it). Ok, so with that budget should I go for the 965? Or is there a better option? | ||
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