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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-16 11:41:04
October 16 2012 11:17 GMT
#25081
nVidia's entry in the $300 range is the 660ti which is a very very strange card as the 660 performs similar to it for way cheaper. Or it performs same as a 7950. Performance seems to be all over the place.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/550?vs=647

You can go ahead and pick whichever. If $310 simply won't do, your next option is the 7870, or the 660 of which the 7870 is really strong.
twitch.tv/medrea
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
October 16 2012 12:28 GMT
#25082
On October 16 2012 20:06 .kv wrote:
Ok I'm thinking about upgrading my comp and this will be the first time I upgrade my comp

According to my score, I need to upgrade my graphics card compared to my other specs. My other specs are pretty good I think.

Intel i5-2500k
BIOSTAR TZ68A+RCH LGA 1155 Intel Z68
Radeon HD 6790
CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W
120GB SSD + 500GB HDD
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB)

My question is what should I get? I would like to convert to Nvidia instead just b/c of the positive feedback I heard about them. The Radeon sometimes stop responding randomly.

I want to upgrade this and don't really want to spend over $300

Also is there anything I need to do once I do convert it to a Nvidia graphics card like uninstall AMD programs I assume, etc?


From someone who went from an radeon 6850 to a GTX560TI all you need to do is install the new drivers from the nvidea website. The drivers that come with the card are usually outdated. Removing the old AMD drivers is of course recommended but it's not like your nvidea card stops working if you don't.
PhillyWild
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States59 Posts
October 16 2012 17:09 GMT
#25083
What kind of PSU would I need for this set up?

Goals are to stream and play SC2, and Legends. My current rig is a Dell Inspiron with an upgraded processor (E6500) but that's the top-end for the mobo.

Leaning towards AMD only because this is going to be a temporary upgrade until I move up to an Intel based platform within a year and use this as a streaming PC only.

Case: Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower

Mobo: ASRock FM2A75 Pro4 FM2 AMD A75 (Hudson D3)

CPU: AMD A10-5800K Trinity 3.8GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket FM2 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU
Cooler: XIGMATEK Gaia SD1283 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler

RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory Model CMZ16GX3M4X1866C9

GPU: XFX HD-667X-CNF3 Radeon HD 6670 2GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

SDD: Corsair Force Series GT CSSD-F120GBGT-BK 2.5" 120GB

Cost comes to about $700 on newegg. Any suggestions?
The biggest mistake in life is waiting for it to happen.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 16 2012 17:33 GMT
#25084
Pretty much any decent 300W+ PSU should be plenty okay with that. i.e. any decent retail PSU, because nobody sells anything lower. Rosewill Capstone, Seasonic G Series, OCZ ZS / ZT, PCP&P Silencer Mk III / Antec High Current Gamer / XFX Core Pro, Antec Earthwatts / Neo Eco / Corsair CX400, Rosewill Green Series, Corsair CX V2, etc. (roughly from preferred to less preferred, many options not listed, ignoring options above $70)


But wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.

You want to get Trinity (half the die is an onboard GPU) with a discrete graphics card? I know there's the hybrid Crossfire option, but that doesn't actually work a lot of the time.

What's the 16GB of RAM doing? I'm glad you want to adopt an extra two sticks and give them a nice new home, but you're not actually going to be able to use them at all unless you're leaving out some very specific applications you'll be running. Why get 1866 MHz RAM unless you're actually using the integrated graphics?

Corsair Force is really outdated and relatively unreliable. You don't want that.


By getting a lower-end motherboard, ditching the CPU cooler, and toning down the RAM (keeping 16GB if somehow you actually need all that), you can just get an Ivy Bridge i5 instead, which is significantly better, even assuming the A10-5800K gets overclocked...
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 16 2012 17:35 GMT
#25085
On October 17 2012 02:09 PhillyWild wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
What kind of PSU would I need for this set up?

Goals are to stream and play SC2, and Legends. My current rig is a Dell Inspiron with an upgraded processor (E6500) but that's the top-end for the mobo.

Leaning towards AMD only because this is going to be a temporary upgrade until I move up to an Intel based platform within a year and use this as a streaming PC only.

Case: Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower

Mobo: ASRock FM2A75 Pro4 FM2 AMD A75 (Hudson D3)

CPU: AMD A10-5800K Trinity 3.8GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket FM2 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU
Cooler: XIGMATEK Gaia SD1283 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler

RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory Model CMZ16GX3M4X1866C9

GPU: XFX HD-667X-CNF3 Radeon HD 6670 2GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

SDD: Corsair Force Series GT CSSD-F120GBGT-BK 2.5" 120GB

Cost comes to about $700 on newegg. Any suggestions?


Getting a dGPU defeats the entire purpose of getting Trinity. Throwing money out the window.

Getting a dGPU also defeats the purpose of getting 1866MHz memory so that the IGP performs better... so you're just throwing money out the window again here. What's the purpose of 16gb if all you plan on doing is playing two games that won't even make use of 1/4 of that memory?

Majority of players that play League of Legends have piss poor computers that take ages to load. I can't imagine how an SSD is worth it in your case. Corsair Force is also like old, uses second generation Sandforce, and not price competitive.

You can easily afford a core i5 but you have your priorities wrong.
Caramine
Profile Joined October 2012
6 Posts
October 16 2012 17:36 GMT
#25086
Hi guys..

I'm buying a new computer and i decided to recycle my old computer that has a power supply 500W and a hdd sata 250GB.

I want a computer to play any kind of actual game. I'm also a league of legends player (2233 elo :D) and i decided to stream for some friends so i want my new computer to be able to.

My budget is about 320€~ To get RAM, Motherboard, Graphic card and Processor. This is what i thought:

- AMD FX Series FX-6100 3.3Ghz 6X

- Corsair Vengeance PC3-12800 DDR3 1600 4GB CL9 X2

- Gigabyte 970A-DS3

- Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 1GB GDDR5 Refurbished

1. I will be able to stream LoL at 60 fps?
2. I will be able to play games like BF3 at 1920x1080 (23") without any problems?

Thanks.
PhillyWild
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States59 Posts
October 16 2012 17:39 GMT
#25087
On October 17 2012 02:33 Myrmidon wrote:
Pretty much any decent 300W+ PSU should be plenty okay with that. i.e. any decent retail PSU, because nobody sells anything lower. Rosewill Capstone, Seasonic G Series, OCZ ZS / ZT, PCP&P Silencer Mk III / Antec High Current Gamer / XFX Core Pro, Antec Earthwatts / Neo Eco / Corsair CX400, Rosewill Green Series, Corsair CX V2, etc. (roughly from preferred to less preferred, many options not listed, ignoring options above $70)


But wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.

You want to get Trinity (half the die is an onboard GPU) with a discrete graphics card? I know there's the hybrid Crossfire option, but that doesn't actually work a lot of the time.

What's the 16GB of RAM doing? I'm glad you want to adopt an extra two sticks and give them a nice new home, but you're not actually going to be able to use them at all unless you're leaving out some very specific applications you'll be running. Why get 1866 MHz RAM unless you're actually using the integrated graphics?

Corsair Force is really outdated and relatively unreliable. You don't want that.


By getting a lower-end motherboard, ditching the CPU cooler, and toning down the RAM (keeping 16GB if somehow you actually need all that), you can just get an Ivy Bridge i5 instead, which is significantly better, even assuming the A10-5800K gets overclocked...


That's why I came to you guys for advice. Gonna adjust accordingly.
The biggest mistake in life is waiting for it to happen.
PhillyWild
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States59 Posts
October 16 2012 17:46 GMT
#25088
On October 17 2012 02:35 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 02:09 PhillyWild wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
What kind of PSU would I need for this set up?

Goals are to stream and play SC2, and Legends. My current rig is a Dell Inspiron with an upgraded processor (E6500) but that's the top-end for the mobo.

Leaning towards AMD only because this is going to be a temporary upgrade until I move up to an Intel based platform within a year and use this as a streaming PC only.

Case: Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower

Mobo: ASRock FM2A75 Pro4 FM2 AMD A75 (Hudson D3)

CPU: AMD A10-5800K Trinity 3.8GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket FM2 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU
Cooler: XIGMATEK Gaia SD1283 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler

RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory Model CMZ16GX3M4X1866C9

GPU: XFX HD-667X-CNF3 Radeon HD 6670 2GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

SDD: Corsair Force Series GT CSSD-F120GBGT-BK 2.5" 120GB

Cost comes to about $700 on newegg. Any suggestions?


Getting a dGPU defeats the entire purpose of getting Trinity. Throwing money out the window.

Getting a dGPU also defeats the purpose of getting 1866MHz memory so that the IGP performs better... so you're just throwing money out the window again here. What's the purpose of 16gb if all you plan on doing is playing two games that won't even make use of 1/4 of that memory?

Majority of players that play League of Legends have piss poor computers that take ages to load. I can't imagine how an SSD is worth it in your case. Corsair Force is also like old, uses second generation Sandforce, and not price competitive.

You can easily afford a core i5 but you have your priorities wrong.


When you lay it out there like that, it does make a lot of sense. I'm gonna rethink my entire philosophy on this build. If I can pull off a Intel i5 build that I can stream with and do it for about $400-$600 that would be perfect. Like I said this will be so I can stream those games specifically so the requirements won't be as strenuous. I already have a GeForce 9800 GT and a Fatality Sound Card, and an extra lightscribe DVD-RW drive on my current PC, and a older 300 GB HDD laying around that I can format and use. So basically all I would need is an i5, a mobo, some RAM, and a PSU right?


The biggest mistake in life is waiting for it to happen.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 16 2012 18:05 GMT
#25089
If you want to salvage the 9800GT, dvd drive, hdd, and case than yes all you essentially need is a cpu, mobo, ram, and psu. You can add the capture card later on.
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
October 16 2012 19:23 GMT
#25090
On October 16 2012 20:17 Medrea wrote:
nVidia's entry in the $300 range is the 660ti which is a very very strange card as the 660 performs similar to it for way cheaper. Or it performs same as a 7950. Performance seems to be all over the place.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/550?vs=647

You can go ahead and pick whichever. If $310 simply won't do, your next option is the 7870, or the 660 of which the 7870 is really strong.


Thank you. I'm debating between these two GPUs atm but don't really know how to read the statistics/info nor do I know the general feedback for both company's when it comes to GPU.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127696
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130809

If you don't mind telling me what you would prefer and possibly why that would be awesome!

On October 16 2012 21:28 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 20:06 .kv wrote:
Ok I'm thinking about upgrading my comp and this will be the first time I upgrade my comp

According to my score, I need to upgrade my graphics card compared to my other specs. My other specs are pretty good I think.

Intel i5-2500k
BIOSTAR TZ68A+RCH LGA 1155 Intel Z68
Radeon HD 6790
CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W
120GB SSD + 500GB HDD
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB)

My question is what should I get? I would like to convert to Nvidia instead just b/c of the positive feedback I heard about them. The Radeon sometimes stop responding randomly.

I want to upgrade this and don't really want to spend over $300

Also is there anything I need to do once I do convert it to a Nvidia graphics card like uninstall AMD programs I assume, etc?


From someone who went from an radeon 6850 to a GTX560TI all you need to do is install the new drivers from the nvidea website. The drivers that come with the card are usually outdated. Removing the old AMD drivers is of course recommended but it's not like your nvidea card stops working if you don't.


Thank you! This community is really helpful.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 16 2012 19:31 GMT
#25091
EVGA uses the reference blower heatsink which isn't as good as MSI's Twin Frozr IV. EVGA's is also is factory clocked slower but clocks can always be adjusted through software.

EVGA has exceptional customer service, regarded by many to be the best when it comes to GPUs. There's a Step-Up program and optional extended warranty beyond the standard three years.

Get this instead for $290: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130837
PhillyWild
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States59 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 00:36:46
October 17 2012 00:28 GMT
#25092
On October 17 2012 03:05 skyR wrote:
If you want to salvage the 9800GT, dvd drive, hdd, and case than yes all you essentially need is a cpu, mobo, ram, and psu. You can add the capture card later on.


Took a little time while at work today and jumped on newegg to try to throw together a lower cost build (while going along with the Intel crowd).

Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 Micro ATX (unable to salvage the current case I have)
Mobo: ASRock B75M-DGS LGA 1155 Intel B75 Micro ATX
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 Ivy Bridge
PSU: Rosewill CAPSTONE-450-M 450W ATX
RAM: G.SKILL 8 GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600)

Total cost: around $415

Combined with these parts

HDD: Western Digital 300GB 5400RPM
GPU: GeForce 9800GT
DVD: Lightscribe DVD-RW drive

I should have a decent set up so I can start streaming SC2, unless I'm missing anything (inb4 "Win7")

In the future I'm planning on using this build as the "streaming PC" and replace the GPU with a capture card. Hence the microATX and Minitower case. Not concerned about overclocking or upgrading. Just a bargain-basement Ivy Bridge PC.
The biggest mistake in life is waiting for it to happen.
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
October 17 2012 00:43 GMT
#25093
If you're serious about streaming I would much rather get an i5 3570k and 4gb rather than i5 3570 and 8gb.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 17 2012 01:05 GMT
#25094
On October 17 2012 09:43 jacosajh wrote:
If you're serious about streaming I would much rather get an i5 3570k and 4gb rather than i5 3570 and 8gb.

That can't cover the cost of a Z77 motherboard though, so the two would be equivalent (except for the IGP).

I wouldn't be too thrilled about using an ancient 5400 rpm hard drive as the primary drive, but I guess that's that. It's not like it makes a difference for streaming or running games.

That said, Capstone is pretty high end for such a build, where you're trying to save money.


But by the power of superior deals/skimping, you can make it happen, even with reasonable-quality parts.

Core i5-3570k - $220
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=70541&promoid=1258

Antec Neo Eco 450C - $37
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491

Cooler Master Elite 343 - $28 (note: this fits normal-size 120mm fan tower coolers, unlike Core 1000)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63283&promoid=1258

AsRock Z75 Pro3 - $85
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157304

Xigmatek Gaia - $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082

2 x Crucial 2GB DDR3 1600MHz - 2 x $10 (though honestly, just up the budget and get 2 x 4GB now, unless you think 4GB is enough)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148537
IceFire
Profile Joined January 2011
United States183 Posts
October 17 2012 21:46 GMT
#25095
My friend is going to be getting a pc for his birthday and I offered to build it for him. (I've built before, I just don't know the parts.

Budget: About $600

Resolution: 1920 x 1080

Use: Mostly Gaming, skype, standard web browsing, maybe recording or streaming. (He understands that it probably isn't feasible with the budget and that's fine, but if it is possible then let us know)

Upgrade cycle: He doesn't know

When: Next couple of weeks

Overclocking: No

Operating system: I'm pretty sure he needs one. He probably wants windows 7.

Second GPU: No

Where: Probably newegg

Thanks guys!

eskashaborn
Profile Joined April 2011
United States177 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 23:09:29
October 17 2012 23:01 GMT
#25096
I was wondering if anyone has a lot of experience with the issues with the SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition OC 2GB where the monitor loses signal and a buzzing sound is heard. I've tried different drivers and now am wondering what video card to get; of course a fix doesn't hurt either! Do you think I should try to get the same one and hope for the best...? The computer is brand new by the way.

My components:
+ Show Spoiler +

GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-D3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition OC 2GB

PC Power and Cooling Silencer Mk II 750W High Performance 80PLUS Silver SLI CrossFire ready Power Supply

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900)



I am on factory settings in terms of overclock...
The temperature does not seem to be the issue...
I first noticed this problem a couple days after I started playing Starcraft II on this new computer. It has happened four times now at somewhat random times...the last two times the crash happened it did not take very long. I was able to play one game and then BAM!

EDIT: The reason I think it's the video card is because of the fact that this seems to be a somewhat widespread problem:
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 17 2012 23:09 GMT
#25097
Do other games have this problem?
twitch.tv/medrea
eskashaborn
Profile Joined April 2011
United States177 Posts
October 17 2012 23:10 GMT
#25098
Haven't tested it as I don't have any other games, but according to other people who have had the same general problem with this video card, yes.
zzzz
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 17 2012 23:42 GMT
#25099
That doesn't work, you can't apply other peoples experiences with your own.

And you have NO other games?
twitch.tv/medrea
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 17 2012 23:47 GMT
#25100
Can't you download some kind of 3DMark free version and run that to similarly stress the graphics card in a computationally-heavy game-like setting?
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