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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-11 00:23:18
October 11 2012 00:21 GMT
#25061
The only person that has to worry about true maximum power usage on GPU's on TL forums is me. None of you gamers have to worry about that.

This isn't spoken about much, but 100 percent GPU usage and 100 percent GPU power output are NOT equivalent. 100 percent usage means the card is rendering at its maximum speed. Even at 100 percent usage, during gaming the card isn't consuming all (or even the same amount of) the power it can possibly consume because games generally aren't capable of pressing every single element on the board at the exact same time.

These torture testers however, ARE able to do that. Like Furmark.

This is why when we look at load power consumption, we look for real world applications, not synthetic benches.

As for RAM. RAM is so cheap 8gb makes the most sense.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17843 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-11 03:32:44
October 11 2012 03:30 GMT
#25062
I guess people (myself included) keep asking this questions because it can all get pretty confusing. Take this for example:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/geforce-gtx-680-review,9.html

In this article they're testing a power hungry system (i7 965 / X58 OC'd to 3.75GHz, GTX 680, water cooling, cold cathode lights etc.), supposedly drawing 50-100W more than average.

Then they post that total sytem power consumption when idle is 144W, under full load 307W and proceed to suggest 550W PSU at the least for regular systems. Again, wouldn't 400W one be enough?
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 11 2012 03:46 GMT
#25063
Not going to be held liable for a dumbass buying some 400w power supply that's rated for peak power.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 11 2012 03:48 GMT
#25064
It's not such a big deal to overbuy, and they're not the ones paying for your power supply.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 11 2012 04:14 GMT
#25065
Overall ratings are pretty meaningless since many companies downright lie about whats going on underneath the hood.

You want to look at your needs and how they related to the amperage ratings on the rails you are putting under load, namely the 12v rail. Next you need to look for a power supply thats made by a manufacturer that is trusted to provide accurate ratings, which are always given in continuous, versus peak.
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Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-11 06:03:43
October 11 2012 05:54 GMT
#25066
This is a piss easy way to tell which PSU you need:
- 0x PCIe connector required = 300W
- 1x PCIe connector required = 400W
- 2x PCIe connector required = 500W

And PSUs with those respective power rating will have the same number of PCIe connectors I have mentioned. So your standard 400W PSU will have 1x PCIe plug. Your standard 500W PSU will have 2x PCIe plugs. There's a reason for this.

This is always right provided the PSU is from a reputable brand and is a recent model. You, for instance, will not see entry level, decent quality 400W PSUs with 2x PCIe connectors because those systems aren't beefy enough to deal with high power loads anyway.

Some 450W PSUs will have 2x PCIe connectors. If you look at their 12v rails, they should match some lower end 500W models. Compare the PSU sticker of the Rosewill Capstone 450W model against the Corsair CX500. It isn't rocket science, most of the work has been done for you. Its only confusing if you try and overthink these things.
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-11 19:05:09
October 11 2012 14:35 GMT
#25067
Anything that isnt rated at 50c (in some cases 40c depending on cooling) continuous is a marketing lie, since its the most realistic scenario. That people look at wrong numbers when buying isnt exactly news, but its not easy to choose correctly when many (most?) labels market solely to deceive. According to surveys americans like big numbers so obviously they will put 800w instead of 400w if they can, as long as the guidelines aren't more forcing.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-11 14:50:06
October 11 2012 14:45 GMT
#25068
It is easy to choose correctly. You pick brand lines (so not just Rosewill but Rosewill Capstone) known for their quality, pick the amount of PCIe plugs you need, and you should be fine. You can find which brand lines are good quality by digging through good reviews of the product.

If you are not sure, there's something called Google or digging through the Computer Build Resource Thread, something that most people asking for advice on Teamliquid seem to struggle to do for whatever reason. JonnyGuru, for instance, will make everything easy to understand even if the understanding is only superficial.
Mbf
Profile Joined September 2012
United States10 Posts
October 12 2012 01:07 GMT
#25069
Hey guys, my friend wants me to make a computer for him, that will mostly be used for gaming since he desperately wants an upgrade from his laptop.

+ Show Spoiler +

What is your budget

Around 500-700$

What is your resolution?

1600 x 900

What are you using it for?

Purely Gaming

What is your upgrade cycle?

1-2 Years

When do you plan on building it?

2-3 Months

Do you plan on overclocking?

Maybe

Do you need an Operating System?

Yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No

Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg, Fry's or Ncix
However, Newegg is preferred


Here is some parts that I have chosen for him so far

+ Show Spoiler +
CPU/Processor - i3 3220 $130 @ newegg
GPU/Graphics - MSI 7770 $135 @ newegg
Motherboard - Asrock b75M $65 @ newegg
Memory/RAM - Crucial Ballistix 8GB $40 @ newegg
PSU/Power - Rosewill Capstone 450M $65 @ newegg
Storage - WD Blue 500 GB $70 @ newegg
Case - BitFenix Merc Alpha $35 @ ncix
Optical Drive - Asus DRW $20 @newegg
Operating System - Windows 7 64 bit $97 @ ncix
Total cost ATM = about $660~
Very open to suggestions! (Like things to skimp on Ex. get a 400w psu)


Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 12 2012 01:40 GMT
#25070
On October 11 2012 23:35 Shauni wrote:
Anything that isnt rated at 50c (in some cases 40c depending on cooling) continuous is a marketing lie, since its the most realistic scenario. That people look at wrong numbers when buying isnt exactly news, but its not easy to choose correctly when many (most?) labels market solely to deceive. According to surveys americans like big numbers so obviously they will put 800w instead of 400w if they can, as long as the guidelines aren't more forcing.

40C-50C? Most people these days use cases with a power supply bottom intake, so they're drawing (pretty much) room temperature ambient air into the thing. Even if they don't, it's pretty hard to get chassis temperatures into the 40-50C range unless you're right next to a graphics card or something like that (in which case it could be much higher).


On October 12 2012 10:07 Mbf wrote:
Hey guys, my friend wants me to make a computer for him, that will mostly be used for gaming since he desperately wants an upgrade from his laptop.

+ Show Spoiler +

What is your budget

Around 500-700$

What is your resolution?

1600 x 900

What are you using it for?

Purely Gaming

What is your upgrade cycle?

1-2 Years

When do you plan on building it?

2-3 Months

Do you plan on overclocking?

Maybe

Do you need an Operating System?

Yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No

Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg, Fry's or Ncix
However, Newegg is preferred


Here is some parts that I have chosen for him so far

+ Show Spoiler +
CPU/Processor - i3 3220 $130 @ newegg
GPU/Graphics - MSI 7770 $135 @ newegg
Motherboard - Asrock b75M $65 @ newegg
Memory/RAM - Crucial Ballistix 8GB $40 @ newegg
PSU/Power - Rosewill Capstone 450M $65 @ newegg
Storage - WD Blue 500 GB $70 @ newegg
Case - BitFenix Merc Alpha $35 @ ncix
Optical Drive - Asus DRW $20 @newegg
Operating System - Windows 7 64 bit $97 @ ncix
Total cost ATM = about $660~
Very open to suggestions! (Like things to skimp on Ex. get a 400w psu)




You must've missed the promo code to make Windows $80.
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45271&promoid=1368

I think HD 7770 is a bit low for a "purely gaming" build, so I'd skimp elsewhere.

HD 7850 1GB is a whole lot better, for $165:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161426

Possible places to skimp or get the same thing for less:
i3-3220 - $120
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=75429&promoid=1388

Corsair CX400 - $40
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=33357

Seagate Barracuda 500GB - $53
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63468&promoid=1387

2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM (1333 MHz) - $32
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820301087

Depending on how important you think a little worse quality on the motherboard and less ports is, you can save about $10 there too. I wouldn't necessarily recommend that. You can find a DVD drive for $3 or so less too.
Mbf
Profile Joined September 2012
United States10 Posts
October 13 2012 04:32 GMT
#25071
Alright, thanks! I'll incorporate those changes to the build )
swift_knife
Profile Joined March 2011
29 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 14:09:21
October 14 2012 13:38 GMT
#25072
Hey TL, I'm in need of an upgrade and you guys seem to know what you're talking about. Could anyone recommend me a good build?
+ Show Spoiler +

What is your budget?
1300-1500 euro

What is your resolution?

1650*1080

What are you using it for?


Primarily gaming, but I would like to have a pc capable of streaming when I get a better internet connection.

What is your upgrade cycle?
3+ years

When do you plan on building it?

now

Do you plan on overclocking?

I would like to have the option but only if it won't add too much to the total cost.

Do you need an Operating System?

yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No

Where are you buying your parts from?

I wish to buy all the parts from a nearby store, here is a list of their prices but if I can find a store that sells the parts for much cheaper I will obviously go there if it's not too far away.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 14 2012 16:50 GMT
#25073
Formatting this time may be a little weird:

CPU Cooler:
--Zalman 32 € CNPS 10x Performa CPU Cooler
Case:
--Lancool 99 € Lancool K62 Midi-Tower Black
CD / DVD:
--Samsung 25 € INTERNAL DVD Rewriter 16x DL +/-RW SATA
RAM:
--(unknown) 45 € DDR3 8GB 1333Mhz desktop memory (kit of 2)
Hard drive:
--Western Digital 99 € 1TB WD10EALX 7200rpm - 32mb buffer
SSD:
--Samsung 203 € 128GB SSD 830
Motherboard:
--MSI 144 € Z77A-G45 Socket 1155
CPU:
--Intel 280 € Core i5-3570K 3.40 Ghz 6mb LGA1155
GPU:
--(unknown) 341 € RADEON HD 7950 - 3GB ddr5
OS:
--Microsoft 119 € Windows 7 Home Premium


These prices (and selection) are pretty poor, by the way, maybe some 30% or so over what I expect from some of the German retailers, for example. The only decent price is for the Zalman. I tried to spend the budget rather than take more cost-effective options to keep costs down, because minimizing costs with these high prices did not seem right.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 08:09:01
October 15 2012 06:06 GMT
#25074
650ti looks like the worst deal i have seen from nVidia in forever.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6359/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-650-ti-review
twitch.tv/medrea
Parakelsos
Profile Joined March 2011
12 Posts
October 15 2012 20:32 GMT
#25075
hi guys, my friend needs a new computer ASAP and I am hoping you can help

What is your budget?
1000 euros

What is your resolution?
1920x1080

What are you using it for?
gaming (SC2, Warcraft 3, Diablo 3 but also would like to be able to play the latest titles)

What is your upgrade cycle?
2-3 years or so

When do you plan on building it?
yesterday if possible

Do you plan on overclocking?
nope

Do you need an Operating System?
nop

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
not really

He will keep his own mouse/monitor/ etc
All he need is CPU,GPU,mobo,CPU cooler (if you think so), case, PSU, RAM, HDD etc

He will probably buy from mindfactory.de and/or hardwareversand.de
Quintum_
Profile Joined May 2011
United States669 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 22:24:00
October 15 2012 22:23 GMT
#25076
My computer came to today and it is just awesome. I really want to thank you guys that helped me, SkyR, Manit0u, Rollin, Medrea and other i may of missed. Could of wasted my my money on a 3000$ doller pc that i would not of needed if not for your guy's help.
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 15 2012 23:21 GMT
#25077
You gonna tip us?
twitch.tv/medrea
Quintum_
Profile Joined May 2011
United States669 Posts
October 16 2012 00:07 GMT
#25078
What is the going rate of the Computer Build Resource Thread these days, you guys should have that in the OP.
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 16 2012 00:21 GMT
#25079
On October 16 2012 05:32 Parakelsos wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
hi guys, my friend needs a new computer ASAP and I am hoping you can help

What is your budget?
1000 euros

What is your resolution?
1920x1080

What are you using it for?
gaming (SC2, Warcraft 3, Diablo 3 but also would like to be able to play the latest titles)

What is your upgrade cycle?
2-3 years or so

When do you plan on building it?
yesterday if possible

Do you plan on overclocking?
nope

Do you need an Operating System?
nop

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
not really

He will keep his own mouse/monitor/ etc
All he need is CPU,GPU,mobo,CPU cooler (if you think so), case, PSU, RAM, HDD etc

He will probably buy from mindfactory.de and/or hardwareversand.de


There's not really a good way to spend 1000 euros on that, without going way overkill on the graphics card. The GTX 660 below is already way more than overkill for the games listed and will run anything fine.

Intel Core i5-3570 - €183
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p790359_Intel-Core-i5-3570-4x-3-40GHz-So-1155-BOX.html

AsRock H77 Pro4/MVP - €73
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p795488_ASRock-H77-Pro4-MVP-Intel-H77-So-1155-Dual-Channel-DDR3-ATX-Retail.html

Asus GTX 660 - €210
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p812883_2048MB-Asus-GeForce-GTX-660-DirectCU-II-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-.html

Corsair 2 x 4GB DDR3 1600MHz - €31
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p718133_8GB-Corsair-XMS3-DDR3-1600-DIMM-CL9-Dual-Kit.html

Samsung 830 128GB - €90
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p791469_128GB-Samsung-830-Series-2-5Zoll--6-4cm--SATA-6Gb-s--MLC-Toggle--MZ-7PC128B-WW-.html

Toshiba 1TB - €60
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p808828_1000GB-Toshiba-DT01ACA-Serie-DT01ACA100-32MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s.html

Samsung CD / DVD - €15
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p784750_Samsung-DVD--R-RW-DL-RAM-SATA-schwarz-bulk.html

Super Flower Golden Green Pro 450W - €65
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p688893_450-Watt-Super-Flower-Golden-Green-PRO-Non-Modular-80--Gold.html

Fractal Design Define R4 - €96
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p807433_Fractal-Define-R4-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-schwarz.html

I would consider reasonable downgrades to be a cheaper B75 motherboard, a HD 7850 1GB, a Super Flower Amazon 450W, and a BitFenix Shinobi.
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
October 16 2012 11:06 GMT
#25080
Ok I'm thinking about upgrading my comp and this will be the first time I upgrade my comp

According to my score, I need to upgrade my graphics card compared to my other specs. My other specs are pretty good I think.

Intel i5-2500k
BIOSTAR TZ68A+RCH LGA 1155 Intel Z68
Radeon HD 6790
CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W
120GB SSD + 500GB HDD
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB)

My question is what should I get? I would like to convert to Nvidia instead just b/c of the positive feedback I heard about them. The Radeon sometimes stop responding randomly.

I want to upgrade this and don't really want to spend over $300

Also is there anything I need to do once I do convert it to a Nvidia graphics card like uninstall AMD programs I assume, etc?
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