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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 30 2012 17:19 GMT
#22381
On May 31 2012 02:18 jacosajh wrote:
Oh I don't know how comfortable I'd be even with a CX430 with an overclocked FX-4100 and beefy single-GPU. But I don't know why anyone would do that anyways


I said sane.
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
May 30 2012 17:20 GMT
#22382
SSD sales galore:

Samsung 830 256GB $220 on newegg with Promo: EMCYTZT1682

Plextor M3S 256GB is 254 on Amazon.

Crucial M4 256GB has been $200 recently on Newegg and Amazon, $100 for the 128GB.

TL;DR If you're thinking about a SSD, prices have been dropping like a rock lately so keep an eye out.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
May 30 2012 17:37 GMT
#22383
On May 31 2012 02:19 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 02:18 jacosajh wrote:
Oh I don't know how comfortable I'd be even with a CX430 with an overclocked FX-4100 and beefy single-GPU. But I don't know why anyone would do that anyways


I said sane.


Touche


On May 31 2012 02:20 Wabbit wrote:
SSD sales galore:

Samsung 830 256GB $220 on newegg with Promo: EMCYTZT1682

Plextor M3S 256GB is 254 on Amazon.

Crucial M4 256GB has been $200 recently on Newegg and Amazon, $100 for the 128GB.

TL;DR If you're thinking about a SSD, prices have been dropping like a rock lately so keep an eye out.



Or maybe an indication they'll keep going down :-/
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
May 30 2012 18:41 GMT
#22384
I have some strange problem with the (Gigabyte OC)GTX 670, from stock the display driver keeps crashing about every tenth minute in games, screen goes black, it recovers and then it goes down to 10% power usage for a while which makes the game run slow, after a while back to normal. Now, I tried a lot of things: different drivers, registry hacks, downclocking the card (power target and clock offset), remounting the card in the slot, but nothing seemed to work. Then I found a thread about the 670 cards with the same problem, someone suggested to force PCI Express speed down from 3.0 to either 2.0 or 1.1 and for some reason it worked flawless after that. Anyone might have any idea of the cause? I thought Ivy Bridge CPUs were compatible with PCIE 3.0? Or is this a Nvidia driver issue? I have no idea.
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jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
May 30 2012 18:43 GMT
#22385
Have you tried cleaning the fan area from dust?
Have you tried running a stress test?

I would revert everything back to the original drivers and then do the above.
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-30 18:59:34
May 30 2012 18:58 GMT
#22386
On May 31 2012 03:43 jacosajh wrote:
Have you tried cleaning the fan area from dust?
Have you tried running a stress test?

I would revert everything back to the original drivers and then do the above.


Um, it's a new build, there are no dust in the fans. Or rather, I have no fans on my GPU, only some nearby chassi fans. And yes, I've ran furmark even though it's a bad stresstest nowdays for GPUs. Also Witcher 2 and BF3. But I don't see how stresstests are relevant, the card does not even come close to overheating. I registered 73c as a max in furmark after a 30 minute run.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 30 2012 19:05 GMT
#22387
It's probably a driver issue. The joys of early adoption. Try contacting your mobo and GPU's manufacturers, see if there's a BIOS or driver update from one of them that helps with it. Does your mobo have another PCIE slot you can try it in?

Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
May 30 2012 19:19 GMT
#22388
There is another slot but it's at the edge of the of my motherboard, if it goes any further than occupying that single slot it's blocked by the PSU, so it's kinda useless. My graphics card is currently occupying 5 slots, 3 without the fans...
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 30 2012 19:23 GMT
#22389
Well, it's still a viable route of troubleshooting to build outside the case and verify it's not related to the slot for some random reason. I doubt it is, but it lets you eliminate a variable before you start calling and yelling at people.
Haine
Profile Joined May 2012
15 Posts
May 30 2012 19:55 GMT
#22390
On May 30 2012 19:46 iTzSnypah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 19:33 Haine wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Hello everyone,

I'm in the final stages of deciding my build, so I want a last opinion on it. This build should not get too much more expensive than this. I don't need an OS. I plan to not overclock and will be running dual monitor. I'm aiming it to be able to play new games ~3-5 years from now with low-medium settings without a sweat.

The site I'm getting all prices from are dutch, since that way I dont have to pay shipping. I looked up the build in hardwareversand, but that's only about 12-13 euros cheaper, which will be offset by shipping.

The main advice I'm currently looking for is if this will all fit in my case and if everything is compatible etc.

CPU
Intel® Core™ i5-2380P
€ 179,90
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?articleId=981874&kind=pcBuilder

motherboard
ASRock H61M-HVS
€ 44,49
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?articleId=1002409&kind=pcBuilder

RAM
Corsair 8 GB DDR3-1333
€ 53,90
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?articleId=987925&kind=pcBuilder
I realize 2x4 might be a few euros cheaper, but I want to keep the option to expand to 16 later.

GPU
SAPPHIRE HD6850 (11180-00-20R)
€ 119,90
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?articleId=731578&kind=pcBuilder

PSU
Corsair CMPSU-500CXV2
€ 56,90
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?articleId=884856&kind=pcBuilder

HDD
Seagate ST1000DM003
€ 86,90
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?articleId=963366&kind=pcBuilder

SSD
Crucial CT128M4SSD2
€ 109,90
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?articleId=860676&kind=pcBuilder
So apparently this comes in a SSD1 and SSD2 version, which are identical except one is 7mm and one is 9mm. The price is also identical. So which is more practical?

DVD
LG GH24NS70
€ 14,99
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?articleId=864988&kind=pcBuilder

Case
Fractal Design Core 1000
€ 34,99
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?articleId=866222&kind=pcBuilder






The 9mm one, as the 7mm one is for laptops. Everything looks fine.



Site just changed some of their prices, I will call them tomorrow about it (the 9mm SSD is now 3 euro more expensive than the 7mm).
I assume to build it in a desktop you need the 9mm anyways?

Also, there's 2 versions. The difference seems to be whether it includes a 2.5" to 3.5" frame or not. Is this needed with my case?
xeo1
Profile Joined October 2011
United States429 Posts
May 31 2012 02:00 GMT
#22391
my friend's asking what could be causing his mobo to not detect the hard drive?
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 02:16:41
May 31 2012 02:15 GMT
#22392
On May 31 2012 11:00 xeo1 wrote:
my friend's asking what could be causing his mobo to not detect the hard drive?


Try different SATA ports
Try a different SATA cord
Try a different HDD
Try the HDD in a different computer

I'm assuming if you've already done all of these, you would know what's wrong since deductive reasoning would rule out the motherboard, SATA cord, or HDD by trying all of these.
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 10:02:30
May 31 2012 09:44 GMT
#22393
On May 31 2012 04:55 Haine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 19:46 iTzSnypah wrote:
On May 30 2012 19:33 Haine wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Hello everyone,

I'm in the final stages of deciding my build, so I want a last opinion on it. This build should not get too much more expensive than this. I don't need an OS. I plan to not overclock and will be running dual monitor. I'm aiming it to be able to play new games ~3-5 years from now with low-medium settings without a sweat.

The site I'm getting all prices from are dutch, since that way I dont have to pay shipping. I looked up the build in hardwareversand, but that's only about 12-13 euros cheaper, which will be offset by shipping.

The main advice I'm currently looking for is if this will all fit in my case and if everything is compatible etc.

CPU
Intel® Core™ i5-2380P
€ 179,90
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?articleId=981874&kind=pcBuilder

motherboard
ASRock H61M-HVS
€ 44,49
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?articleId=1002409&kind=pcBuilder

RAM
Corsair 8 GB DDR3-1333
€ 53,90
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?articleId=987925&kind=pcBuilder
I realize 2x4 might be a few euros cheaper, but I want to keep the option to expand to 16 later.

GPU
SAPPHIRE HD6850 (11180-00-20R)
€ 119,90
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?articleId=731578&kind=pcBuilder

PSU
Corsair CMPSU-500CXV2
€ 56,90
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?articleId=884856&kind=pcBuilder

HDD
Seagate ST1000DM003
€ 86,90
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?articleId=963366&kind=pcBuilder

SSD
Crucial CT128M4SSD2
€ 109,90
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?articleId=860676&kind=pcBuilder
So apparently this comes in a SSD1 and SSD2 version, which are identical except one is 7mm and one is 9mm. The price is also identical. So which is more practical?

DVD
LG GH24NS70
€ 14,99
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?articleId=864988&kind=pcBuilder

Case
Fractal Design Core 1000
€ 34,99
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?articleId=866222&kind=pcBuilder






The 9mm one, as the 7mm one is for laptops. Everything looks fine.



Site just changed some of their prices, I will call them tomorrow about it (the 9mm SSD is now 3 euro more expensive than the 7mm).
I assume to build it in a desktop you need the 9mm anyways?

Also, there's 2 versions. The difference seems to be whether it includes a 2.5" to 3.5" frame or not. Is this needed with my case?

I'm not sure about the bracket. The Fractal Core 1000 has a weird HDD mounting system where you hang the HDD vertically. You might just have to leave the SSD taped to the bottom panel or something.

EDIT: Here is an article on the case.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5736/fractal-design-core-1000-how-little-is-too-little/3
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
chroniX
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
517 Posts
May 31 2012 12:40 GMT
#22394
Built my new pc today. Its a H61/U3S3 , i5 3450 , 560 TI with a 400W corsair.

Updated the Bios to support my cpu. Now its working BUT not with my graphics card. Its working perfectly with the integrated one. When i try the 560ti the monitor just stays black. Both 6pin-plugs are connected to the GPU. One of the plugs has 6pins but the middle ones are empty, is that normal? GPU fans are rotating. I connected the 8pin on my mainboard with 2 4pins. It says to connect just one in the mainboard manual. I tried that with no success.
400w should be enough right? I unplugged all unneccessary HDDs and USBs. I had the exact same card/powersupply working with an old core2duo yesterday.

Anything i can try?
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 12:45:58
May 31 2012 12:43 GMT
#22395
Where are you plugging the display cable? It has to be plugged into the GPU's DVI/HDMi/DisplayPort/VGA port and not the motherboard, if that makes any sense.
chroniX
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
517 Posts
May 31 2012 12:57 GMT
#22396
On May 31 2012 21:43 Womwomwom wrote:
Where are you plugging the display cable? It has to be plugged into the GPU's DVI/HDMi/DisplayPort/VGA port and not the motherboard, if that makes any sense.


Of course its in the GPUs DVI. I put it into the integrated GPU on the motherboard for testing...

I am worried about one of the 6pin PCI-Express power cables. Its one of those because my power suppy just has one 6pin cable.
[image loading]

And the middle pins are empty. It was working with this setup in my old pc though....just different mobo/cpu/ram now.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
May 31 2012 13:07 GMT
#22397
On May 31 2012 11:15 jacosajh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 11:00 xeo1 wrote:
my friend's asking what could be causing his mobo to not detect the hard drive?


Try different SATA ports
Try a different SATA cord
Try a different HDD
Try the HDD in a different computer

I'm assuming if you've already done all of these, you would know what's wrong since deductive reasoning would rule out the motherboard, SATA cord, or HDD by trying all of these.

If his friend is not very computer savy, "not detecting a hdd" can also mean he's not assigned it a letter/formated it as well if it's a secondary drive. Many people just expect it to turn up once you plug it in.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 13:12:28
May 31 2012 13:08 GMT
#22398
No, its normal to have a missing pin in the middle. It just limits the amount of power you can draw.

Since the card works in your old Core 2 Duo system, I'm guessing you either haven't installed the card properly into the PCIe slot or the motherboard has a defective PCIe 16x slot. Since you have a Core 2 Duo system, perhaps you have a spare PCIe GPU lying around so you can confirm that the PCIe slot is dodgy? Sorry, its all I can think of...I'm guessing you're using the same port on both the monitor and GPU, both of which worked fine in your Core 2 Duo system.
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
May 31 2012 13:38 GMT
#22399
On May 31 2012 22:07 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 11:15 jacosajh wrote:
On May 31 2012 11:00 xeo1 wrote:
my friend's asking what could be causing his mobo to not detect the hard drive?


Try different SATA ports
Try a different SATA cord
Try a different HDD
Try the HDD in a different computer

I'm assuming if you've already done all of these, you would know what's wrong since deductive reasoning would rule out the motherboard, SATA cord, or HDD by trying all of these.

If his friend is not very computer savy, "not detecting a hdd" can also mean he's not assigned it a letter/formated it as well if it's a secondary drive. Many people just expect it to turn up once you plug it in.


AFAIK there would have to be some specific situations that would happen. Whether it's a boot drive or secondary drive, I can't think of many reasons why they would not just be plug-and-play from the get-go. But yeah, this is true.

Are you trying to boot from the HDD? or just use it as a secondary HDD? If it's a boot-up HDD, make sure the boot-up priority is set to that HDD.
poundcakes
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway239 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 22:40:07
May 31 2012 16:39 GMT
#22400
Now I actually have a question, is there any way to test if my RAM is faulty if MemOK!'s DRAM LED is glowing and doesn't find any viable settings after pressing it? On the first POST I got a single short beep which is good I would think. From looking around inside it doesn't look like there's a CMOS jumper there nor can I swap in my current RAM since it's DDR2.

Should I try removing the motherboard battery for a while or try booting with just one of the sticks in? (installing a noctua nh-d14 is a pain the dick by the way, that thing is gargantuan) If nothing else works I guess I'll just have RMA it. I've done all the basic testing if RAM is in the proper slots and if power cables are properly connected. My motherboard is an ASUS P8Z77-V, PSU is an XFX xxx edition 750w and the ram is 16gb Corsair XMS3 1333mhz (2x8gb).
The cur foretells the knell of parting day; The loafing herd winds slowly o'er the lea; The wise man homeward plods; I only stay to fiddle-faddle in a minor key.
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