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Intropy
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada92 Posts
June 16 2010 21:32 GMT
#141
MX518 is what I've used for every game for years; it works very well.
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Therick
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway324 Posts
June 16 2010 21:37 GMT
#142
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Designed for MMOs, i use it for RTS.

All the buttons on side are easy to click and you wont ever missclick a button.
Makes everything alot easier than having to click on your keyboard.

You can also customize the buttons to become letters so example, 1 = a, 2 = s.

Microing 3 groups of units is easy with this mouse
also its 5600 dpi.
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Xaanix
Profile Joined October 2009
United States109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-16 21:53:15
June 16 2010 21:49 GMT
#143
I have yet to find the perfect mouse.
I currently own:

LogicTech G5
Razer Salmosa
Steelseries Kinzu
Razer Abyssus
WMO 1.1a

I'm actively using the salmosa, which has on the fly sensitivity adjustment (in game), no prediction, and high DPI, however, i'm not so pleased with the shape of this mouse.

I think the SHAPE i like the most is the WMO 1.1a.. which also has no prediction. I'm actually considering switching back to this, but i'm not sure if i can live without on the fly sensitivity

The kinzu is similar in shape to the WMO, which is why i bought it, but the glide is terrible as the default skates are not teflon... This mouse actually made my wrist hurt after playing 2 games of sc2.

Downsides of the abysus and the Salmosa are mainly the shape, and the fact that on the fly sensitivity can not be bound to your keyboard, you MUST sacrifice a mouse button to use it. This hurts when you only have 3 buttons, and obviously mouse1 and mouse2 are used for gaming so i use mouse3 (pressing down the wheel) as my on the fly sensitivity button.

i called razer support regarding this and they gave a somewhat lame excuse as to why its like this, (they said their driver only interfaces/polls the mouse, so they cant look for keyboard input).


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Grebliv
Profile Joined May 2006
Iceland800 Posts
June 16 2010 21:50 GMT
#144
On June 17 2010 06:49 Xaanix wrote:
I have yet to find the perfect mouse.
I currently own:

LogicTech G5
Razer Salmosa
Steelseries Kinzu
Razer Abyssus
WMO 1.1a

I'm actively using the salmosa, which has on the fly sensitivity adjustment (in game), no prediction, and high DPI, however, i'm not so pleased with the shape of this mouse.

I think the SHAPE i like the most is the WMO 1.1a.. which also has no prediction. I'm actually considering switching back to this, but i'm not sure if i can live without on the fly sensitivity

The kinzu is similar in shape to the WMO, which is why i bought it, but the glide is terrible as the default skates are not teflon... This mouse actually made my wrist hurt after playing 2 games of sc2.



When are you changing your sens may I ask?
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StewKer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States301 Posts
June 16 2010 21:50 GMT
#145
I used a wireless Logitech MX1000 for a long time (4-5 years) but decided last week that it was time for an upgrade, especially since I started playing Starcraft.

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The MX1000, while a trusty companion for many years (as long as your remember to recharge it on it's dock), just felt sluggish to me in Starcraft, especially since I was beginning to take the game fairly serious and overall the game is extremely competitive.

So after some research I decided to go with the Razer Imperator and a Razer Goliath Mouse Pad.

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So far I love them both and I fee like they are a great compliment to each other. The mouse is basically future proof and is useable in a wide array of games with all the settings it has. From FPS to RTS to RPG.
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Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
June 16 2010 21:54 GMT
#146
All of mine break within 6 months or so (the click fuction on mouse 1 button usually) so I just buy intelli 3.0 and replace. I hate all Logitech mouses for their uncomfortable fit, Razer is overpriced and plastic, Steelseries have a few decent ones but breaks easily and are also extremely overpriced.
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Xaanix
Profile Joined October 2009
United States109 Posts
June 16 2010 21:54 GMT
#147
On June 17 2010 06:50 Grebliv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2010 06:49 Xaanix wrote:
I have yet to find the perfect mouse.
I currently own:

LogicTech G5
Razer Salmosa
Steelseries Kinzu
Razer Abyssus
WMO 1.1a

I'm actively using the salmosa, which has on the fly sensitivity adjustment (in game), no prediction, and high DPI, however, i'm not so pleased with the shape of this mouse.

I think the SHAPE i like the most is the WMO 1.1a.. which also has no prediction. I'm actually considering switching back to this, but i'm not sure if i can live without on the fly sensitivity

The kinzu is similar in shape to the WMO, which is why i bought it, but the glide is terrible as the default skates are not teflon... This mouse actually made my wrist hurt after playing 2 games of sc2.



When are you changing your sens may I ask?


Its something i need to work on i guess, but i find that depending on my grip (and yes this mouse is kinda small, so sometimes i tend to claw grip it and other times i tend to finger grip it a bit more properly), i might need to raise or lower the sens.
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climax
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1088 Posts
June 16 2010 21:55 GMT
#148
G5 user here and proud. I've played competitive FPS games for several years with it and its never let me down. I just love that hand shape. It perfectly fits my hand.

Here is a question though, should I get a mousepad? All these years, I just play on wood and never thought it would make a difference. So should I just get a mousepad?
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Aberu
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States968 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-16 22:01:10
June 16 2010 21:56 GMT
#149
The saitek GM3200 has been the most reliable mouse I have ever used. It's very comfortable to me as well, I have medium-largish hands.
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I also use a Saitek Cyborg keyboard, getting rid of that, I don't advise you to buy that. It's too big, not all that comfortable, and it's innaccurate, I have had plenty of times where the S button didn't work, and I play zerg.

And I use the Razer Destructor for a mousepad, best mousepad I have ever had. I love that it's washable, it's not TOO huge but definitely not small, and it just feels so smooth to play on.

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arthur
Profile Joined April 2009
United Kingdom488 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-16 22:05:37
June 16 2010 22:03 GMT
#150
if anyone recommends a Razer, all i can say is Logitech shits on Razer in the mouse department.

edit: i agree with the mousemat recommended above ^_^

very nice mat, albeit a bit pricy.
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towerranger
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria134 Posts
June 16 2010 22:04 GMT
#151
support razer, they support starcraft
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
June 16 2010 22:07 GMT
#152
On June 16 2010 19:12 bubusls wrote:
I have both a Razer Lachesis and an Abyssus, and they're both fine, but they're definitely not made for RTS, just get a simple optical no nonsense mouse like all the pros use, preferably one that slides well and you're in great shape.


Sorry but if an Abyssus isn't made for RTS, then what in the world is?

==========================

@OP

+ Show Spoiler [The Mouse's Role In PC Gaming] +

There are two parties in PC gaming, FPS and RTS. Both types of games have very different needs. Much of the information and debate that exists right now about what makes a mouse good for gaming is aimed squarely at FPS gaming.

In FPS, it's typical to use low cursor speed (lower DPI, lower sensitivity) and a very active mouse hand (moving in broad strokes often). However, in RTS, it's typical to use higher cursor speed (higher DPI, higher sensitivity) and more minimal hand motion (planting the wrist bone and never moving the arm is fairly typical).

One community (FPS) sacrifices "speed" and "mobility" for much better precision. The other community sacrifices pixel-perfect precision for better coverage of the screen. The reasons are mostly obvious.

However, sometimes RTS players think their mice are superior for every game. And sometimes FPS players think their mice are superior for every game. And the debates collide and become
an unintelligible clusterfuck for anyone wondering what mouse they should get.


+ Show Spoiler [What You Need In An RTS Mouse] +


You are not going to be getting a 400 DPI mouse to play SC2 unless you play on 1024x768. You need to be able to cover the entire screen without ever moving your arm. So all the FPS players saying that "More DPI = better" is a myth are barking up the wrong tree here. But you don't need 5000 DPI either, you just need "enough" to comfortably cover the entire screen and provide you quick access to any area on the screen.

A lot of people are suggesting mice like the WMO and so on. I would advise you to avoid these if you can. In FPS, you generally palm the entire mouse in a semi-'rigid' fashion. Your fingers don't really curl and uncurl since you use your arm for 90% of the motion. But in RTS, you will often be controlling your mouse with only your fingertips (at certain areas on the extremities of the screen). So a very slick, sweat-unfriendly surface like the WMO is going to be a bad choice.

The Deathadder is a very popular mouse for two good reasons: FPS gamers like it and RTS gamers like it as well. FPS gamers like it because it is arguably the most comfortable palm-style mouse in existence and has tracking software/hardware that withstands very rapid hand motion (required for very low-sens players). RTS gamers like it because it is super-comfortable and has sublime tracking at higher DPI.

However, there are subjectively "better" choices in my opinion for RTS mice. The Deathadder has a lot of weight to it, and it's tiring to move it around using only the wrist/fingers. A lighter mouse would be better. I bought a Razer Abyssus specifically for RTS play. It's got the exact same tracking software/hardware as a Deathadder and is smaller and has good features like

1) No thumb buttons.
2) Excellent center of gravity (for controlling it with your fingertips).
3) Really great sweat-friendly surface.
4) 450/1800/3500 DPI switch so you can play BW with it as well.

Regardless of any arguments anyone has against my personal feelings, I hope you can see that RTS play differs significantly enough from FPS play in terms of mouse mechanics that you are looking for different perks. Just think logically about what you personally need to play RTS without thinking about your mouse hand. This will lead you to make a better decision than trusting others on the internet.


Good luck.
Snowfield
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-16 22:10:23
June 16 2010 22:08 GMT
#153
Sidenote: i got on teh fly sense adjustment on my mouse too, but: why would anyone EVER change their sense on the fly? whats the point?

And pro FPS players play on the lowest DPI settings EVER, i mean seriously, its like dragging a dead body across your screen.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
June 16 2010 22:13 GMT
#154
I can say that my Logitech Mini Optical works perfectly fine in starcraft 2. I haven't noticed a difference between the Razer Death Adder and my miniop so if you really don't care what mouse you get, I suggest a nice cheap one.
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-16 22:34:37
June 16 2010 22:17 GMT
#155
pay attention to what i say:

gaming mice suck, use an intellimouse explorer 3.0.

edit: but buy a razer destructor mousepad
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Clow
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Brazil880 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-16 22:20:50
June 16 2010 22:18 GMT
#156
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Any mouse that has this kind of shape. Small, light, low on the front and a little higher on the back.

The dpi depends on what resolution you are playing at, you don't want it too fast or too slow. Adjust it to something in between, get used to it and you're set. Those 'big' mouses are so fucking horrible for RTS games, I don't know why people suggest them.

Razer ones that are good (only because of the shape): Salmosa, Abyssus and Spectre. You obviously don't need an expensive mouse. Just keep the shape in mind and don't go nuts on DPI.
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Drakkart
Profile Joined May 2010
80 Posts
June 16 2010 22:19 GMT
#157
On June 17 2010 07:04 towerranger wrote:
support razer, they support starcraft


well look for another company if you play on a mac for razer produces macmice which don't even know the middle button neither support it though.

unix mice had 3 buttons or later two buttons and a wheel left right and middle whereas middle can be emulated by pressing left and right at the same time for it was always used for adjusting things.
well the razer deathadder MAC-Edition (!!!) just knows left and right. it was not a software problem either because i am one of the few fellas able to manage to find the drivers on their website (horrible site!)
well the damn mouse driver then only works for one profile so the admin has to reinstall it again and the guest account also ... for it just stores the actual user prefs in the actual users account ... awful on a multiuser os what the heck did they think they were dealing with.
try doing 3d modelling or playing simulations with such a mouse... back to my old logitech.

so sorry but i don't give razer any credit due that experience.
SilentCrono
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1420 Posts
June 16 2010 22:23 GMT
#158
get a razr deathadder. seriously, best mouse ever. i think it's only $40 now too.
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EliteAzn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States661 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-16 22:34:22
June 16 2010 22:27 GMT
#159
My mouse (not really gaming...maybe):
Sunbeam Fireline Mouse - Black/Blue
a whopping $7.50 :D...and it looks good.

Edit: + I love it...I'm so use to it now.
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Qw4z1
Profile Joined April 2008
Sweden55 Posts
June 16 2010 22:32 GMT
#160
I've been using an MX510 until my cat bit of the cord.. =( Now I'm back to my even older heavy ass Logitech dual optical something something, and I can tell you this:
What ever you buy, don't buy a heavy mouse! You will seriously hurt your wrist!
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