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Zealotdriver
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1557 Posts
June 17 2010 06:14 GMT
#181
Razer Salmosa. It is the best RTS mouse available, and it's only $40.
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stalife
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1222 Posts
June 17 2010 06:19 GMT
#182
I used to use a medium-sized wireless mouse for bw. It was HORRIBLE. It had delays in response, won't respond sometimes, etc. I blamed the mouse for all my newbness. Then, I had several mouse switches. (All Razer products only):

1. Razer copperhead - I got used to this mouse. I started to like it a lot. However, it was still too big

2. Razer diamondback - I did not like this mouse from the start. way too big and heavy

3. Razer Deathadder - too big, too heavy

3. Razer Salmosa The best mouse ever for me. It's light, small, does not have the extra buttons that sometimes get in the way (at least to me) . I really love the basic design of this mouse. It's great! I've been using it for 1+ yr and no problem so far. I really recommend this mouse.
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dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1438 Posts
June 17 2010 06:24 GMT
#183
On June 17 2010 15:02 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2010 14:45 dogabutila wrote:
On June 17 2010 12:05 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
On June 17 2010 11:41 dogabutila wrote:
DPI isnt really what you need for RTS. Wholly necessary for FPS, [1]

but the crazy super accuracy isnt exactly necessary ... [2]

What is more important is the poll rate // refresh rate. Basically, how many times a second does your mouse look to see that you have moved. [3]


I went from an mx518 to a deathadder.
518 is more comfortable, deathadder wins more. It's faster. [4]


Sorry to pick on you, as many others hold such incredible viewpoints.

[1] Complete nonsense. In competitive FPS, it is widely agreed that precision wins out over cursor speed (the ability to be "tactically mobile") because of the necessity of aim. Therefore, it is better to have low DPI and lower sensitivity settings than for e.g. desktop browsing.

[2] DPI does not equate to accuracy or precision. It would be a lot easier to be 100% precise/accurate if your mouse was 1 DPI (though this is impractical in games for obvious reasons). That way you would very easily get pixel-perfect accuracy and precision.

1 DPI means you move 1 inch, your mouse cursor moves 1 pixel. 10 DPI = you move 1 inch, your mouse cursor moves 10 pixels (yes, it's slightly more complicated than this). And so on. That is all it means. Higher DPI will equate to higher cursor speed since moving 1 inch will move the cursor farther when the DPI is higher. In other words, higher DPI will result in worse accuracy/precision because of the nature of the human hand. In RTS, we "trade" accuracy for screen coverage more often than not.

Accuracy is not something that is controlled by a single variable. There are a huge number of things in play. The way you hold the mouse, the surfaces involved (mouse and mousepad friction) etc.

[3] This aspect of a mouse is not more important or less important than any other features that mice have (including tracking software, surfaces, button placements etc.). You need good specs in everything to have the best mouse experience. You're not buying a specification, you are buying a package of features.


1) Game speed has a bunch to do with how fast you need the cursor to be. Needs in say...quake are far different from needs in....rainbow 6. What you want depends on which game you play. At any rate, the sentence didnt say what I wanted it to say since I was drifting off. I think that whole post was kind of disjointed anyways, but I meant to say ;ooking at DPI

2) "In RTS, we "trade" accuracy for screen coverage more often than not." I basically just said that....

3) Might not be more or less important, but it is something that people do not think about generally when buying a mouse. I certainly wouldnt buy something crazy high polling if it hurt or only had one button. But this 'response time' is certainly more important then the accuracy of the mouse in general for RTS games. While it isnt the end all be all measurement of how fast your mouse responds to your input, it is a large factor. Nobody wants an unresponsive mouse right? And in a game where pros play on CRT monitors to cut down on milliseconds of lag over LCD screens.... Wherever YOU can shave a few milliseconds off makes you a few milliseconds faster as well.

4) ?


As far as point 1), yes there are extremities and corner cases. But even in the super-fast world of Q3, gamers prefer low sens and big mouse pads for lots of hand motion (to make up for the low cursor speed). The context of the point being this: that in comparing RTS and FPS players, FPS players almost universally have lower DPI settings.

For 2), yes you said something quasi-similar, but you were implying that DPI = accuracy. This is the exact opposite of reality. Higher DPI equates to lower accuracy in terms of human performance. That's the point I was making.

Sorry I didn't properly respond to [4], I was in a rush. You said that the Deathadder is "faster" but gave no indication of what you meant or why "faster" is better. Does it physically move faster on the mouse pad? Is it "faster" because the cursor speed is higher (because the DPI can be higher)? And how does being "faster" in any of these ways make it a better mouse?

I'm not going to say that a Deathadder isn't a superior mouse to an MX518. However, I have reasoning behind my positions, and I'm frustrated when others either don't have any justification for their opinions or don't voice them (or in your case, are just ambiguous as to what they mean).

The OP is asking for help, and a lot of people are offering "this is the best mouse" with no qualifications or reasoning. Maybe they're right, but think about it from the OP's perspective. This isn't a poll, the mouse with the most votes isn't going to "win". The OP is trying to make an intelligent decision based on rational discussion.




2) I didn't really mean to imply that. I don't know whats going on. I can swear I'm posting something but it isn't in my post or thaen i double post or something. I;m just trying to point out that you don't need the specific accuracy // it isn't as important unless you are imcroing individual zerglings, and looking at DPI (high or low) isn't as necessary for RTS, BECAUSE accuracy isn't as important. And taht looking at the mouse responsiveness in general is more important the ndpi numbers.

4) Sorry, I just meant faster as in "less time elapes between when you move the mouse to when the cursor on the screen moves" I think less "mechanical lag" is always better. My friend used to play dota with some stupid laptop wireless mouse thats half the size of a regular mouse and he would always complain when he died, and he would get angry saying "I clicked". I never understood what he meant until i got on his computer real quick to look something up and his mouse seriously does not respond when you move it. Morale of the story is don't game with a mouse some cute girl gave you just cause you want to get into her pants when she isnt' there because in all likelihood it will suck and you will die and be ngry
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
June 17 2010 06:38 GMT
#184
On June 17 2010 15:14 Zealotdriver wrote:
Razer Salmosa. It is the best RTS mouse available, and it's only $40.


They regularly sell on woot.com for 13.37+5 dollars shipping. So you can get one for 18.87 or two for 31 dollars, or 3 for 45 dollars.

Either way, I completely disagree, it is not the best RTS mouse available, it is probably the cheapest decent one, but not the best.
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Conaiz
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany15 Posts
June 17 2010 07:42 GMT
#185
Regarding to the poll between Kinzu and Intelli 3.0, if i bought a new mouse i wouldnt buy neither one of those. Although i would tend to choose Kinzu, like a poster already said, kinzu (probably) have a negative acceleration which isnt solvable.
I personally wouldnt choose a intelli 3.0 neither, because i just feel comfortable with a higher sensitive mouse(less space for moving across the entire screen->higher DPI).

Despite there are voices who have a low opinion about razer mice, i honestly wonder why. Maybe the material could be better for that price, but i dont see a really alternative if i want a sensitive, light and not clumsy mouse. Among clumsy i mean mice like mx518, mice which are designed for palm grip users.

If i have to choose a new mouse, i as a fingertip user would probably buy razer abyssus.
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Ethic
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada439 Posts
June 17 2010 07:43 GMT
#186
Razer Lachesis.
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s_side
Profile Joined May 2009
United States700 Posts
June 17 2010 07:55 GMT
#187
Logitech Mini Optical is the best mouse I've ever used for an RTS.

deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
June 17 2010 08:02 GMT
#188
Salmosa is easily a great mouse for RTS, accurate, lightweight, good for fingertip or claw grip.

It won't be too heavy or too light for you, and will reduce the strain on your hands through extended use. Plus, its fairly cheap, got one for $35 AUD.
robopork
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States511 Posts
June 17 2010 08:25 GMT
#189
I use an older generation of the razer diamond (after watching daily 132 or whichever it was I was stoked to see that it's the same mouse day9 uses). I can't speak for the new ones with complete certainty, since mine is older, but my general thought is that it's really accurate without being too stupid fast. Only downside is that it's kinda spendy in the world of optical mice (50 usd :/), but it's cheap compared to other razers. I would recommend that over the abyssus that some people have been recommending because of its lower dpi- 1800 is plenty, probably, and 3500 is kind silly. Unless you like feeling like your mouse does speed.

I got a bug a while back and thought I wanted to buy a new mouse, and the more I tried out the more I came to believe that while the razers might be a little nicer, I don't think they're so much better that their worth the difference in price. I pitched in with some people last summer to buy a friend a Lychesis for his birthday, and it is a great mouse, no doubt, but I don't think it was really worth the money when you put next to some of the cheaper stuff.
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onihunter
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States515 Posts
June 17 2010 08:28 GMT
#190
I support the Salmosa; got one in December, no complaints.
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Cell
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden23 Posts
June 17 2010 09:01 GMT
#191
Tried both microsoft intelli and Razer deathadder, both are good but I prefer Deathadder. I've had it for 2,5 years now and still working great!
Sueco
Profile Joined September 2009
Sweden283 Posts
June 17 2010 09:58 GMT
#192
Right. Ill go to a PC shop, try out the Salmosa, Kinzu, the intellimouse, and make my choice. Thx dudes.
Dexv
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia7 Posts
June 17 2010 10:16 GMT
#193
MX™518 Optical Gaming Mouse is great for the price. $50 USD, its about quility you dont want something to cheap as you can really feel it when you play RTS. Well i can.
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DartMass
Profile Joined April 2010
Italy20 Posts
June 17 2010 11:17 GMT
#194
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1265679 read this
I use Logitech mx500
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
June 17 2010 11:34 GMT
#195
I use G9, which I bought sometime ago for FPS highlevel gaming.
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Tarson
Profile Joined July 2003
Poland130 Posts
June 17 2010 11:38 GMT
#196
i used many mouses like: mx300, g1 ,g3, ktec ktm-3500, ktec ktm-9500pro, now using Xai, best mouse ever ! For SC, for FPS, for everything ;]
smileyyy
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1816 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-17 11:42:31
June 17 2010 11:42 GMT
#197
I use a G9 bought it some time ago when my old mouse broke. How many weights did u put in it ?^^. I have
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EnvoYofAiuR
Profile Joined October 2002
Netherlands71 Posts
June 17 2010 11:42 GMT
#198
mx518<3
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DuncanIdaho
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States465 Posts
June 17 2010 11:44 GMT
#199
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I like this one, the Logitech G500 Gaming Mouse, it was about $70 at Best Buy, user defined weighting, has 200-5700 dpi, with 3 user defined settings you can quickly switch between, 10 programmable buttons, and a scroll wheel that can switch modes with the push of a button to either free-spin or click-to-click. In any case, I highly recommend any of the mice from the Logitech Gaming Mice line, durable yet versatile. One warning though, you'll never like regular mice, again! hehe :p
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Aro_X
Profile Joined February 2009
United States106 Posts
June 17 2010 11:52 GMT
#200
if u go by what esreality socred in 07 you should know that they later tested the Razer Deathadder and found that the sensor in that mouse is actually superior to all mice they tested on that list(razer calls it the 3g because its their 3rd generation optical sensor i think)

this is the same sensor used in the diamondback 3g, and salmosa.

theres actually a newer version of the death adder called the 3.5g or something which is what the abyssus use as well

the salmosa i found is actually lighter then the logitech mini optical. the optical is slightly more comfortable because the sides next to the buttons go in instead extending straight like the salmosa.. also theres the squeaking mouse button that u can fix by applying chapstick to the plastic contact points which require u to take apart the mouse but doing so wont actually damage any warrenty sticker

so if u like the logitech mini optical i suggest the salmosa if u need more dpi for whatever reason
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