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liberal
1116 Posts
I guess what I'm wondering here is, what exactly are people paying more money for? I understand people preferring a different grip or something, but what exactly do people think they are getting that's better on the expensive mice? Are people really convinced they somehow perform better? I know two people who have had their razer's break on them as well. Anyway, just my 2 cents. | ||
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RevRich
United States218 Posts
Plus the Razer Deathadder I have now just didn't seem to last long. The rubber coating is starting to degrade and its getting irreversibly sticky. No amount of cleaning brings its back. | ||
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armalite
Sweden10 Posts
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Spiner
United States360 Posts
Not necessarily because of all the buttons (Although I do use some of them for building hotkeys which is very nice) but mainly because of the shape + ring finger rest which suits itself towards the claw/finger grip style. Claw/finger grip = better for RTS | ||
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B-Wong
United States240 Posts
On January 29 2012 09:10 liberal wrote: So, I have an MX518. It was cheap, it's reliable, has plenty of functionality and degrees of sensitivity... I guess what I'm wondering here is, what exactly are people paying more money for? I understand people preferring a different grip or something, but what exactly do people think they are getting that's better on the expensive mice? Are people really convinced they somehow perform better? I know two people who have had their razer's break on them as well. Anyway, just my 2 cents. Most normal mice don't have DPI setting features, etc. That's the main draw (imo). Can't stand having a mouse set at 400DPI. Then again I can't stand the mice with dpi settings at 900/1800/3600 or the like because those just aren't my settings. I use a G9x (without the grip). Love the drivers because I can set dpi anywhere I want to. But I think beyond everything personalizibility is the largest draw to gaming mice. | ||
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abangmozek
2 Posts
I'm currently using a deathadder and recently ahd a feel of the steelseries kana. It felt much lighter and I feel that it suits my fingertip mouse grip than the deathadder(this is just based on feel, and not tested with actual playing) So any views on what mouse is best for my type of grip? I feel that i need a light mouse. Ive tried the kinzu but it felt kinda heavy(eventhough it is almost as light as the kana-the pad maybe?). Ive never tried the xai, ikari or sensei but i feel that the last two is out of my budget. Your thoughts are much appreciated  | ||
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Stiluz
Norway688 Posts
On February 20 2012 23:15 abangmozek wrote: Hi all you gosu sc2 players. I want to ask your opinion on mouse choice I'm currently using a deathadder and recently ahd a feel of the steelseries kana. It felt much lighter and I feel that it suits my fingertip mouse grip than the deathadder(this is just based on feel, and not tested with actual playing) So any views on what mouse is best for my type of grip? I feel that i need a light mouse. Ive tried the kinzu but it felt kinda heavy(eventhough it is almost as light as the kana-the pad maybe?). Ive never tried the xai, ikari or sensei but i feel that the last two is out of my budget. Your thoughts are much appreciated I think Steelseries mouse in general have a problem with acceleration. I am not sure about Kana V2 though. I use a claw/fingertip grip, and I'm very happy with my CM Storm Spawn. | ||
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DarQraven
Netherlands553 Posts
On January 29 2012 09:10 liberal wrote: So, I have an MX518. It was cheap, it's reliable, has plenty of functionality and degrees of sensitivity... I guess what I'm wondering here is, what exactly are people paying more money for? I understand people preferring a different grip or something, but what exactly do people think they are getting that's better on the expensive mice? Are people really convinced they somehow perform better? I know two people who have had their razer's break on them as well. Anyway, just my 2 cents. As someone who does not only play SC2 but lots of arena shooters as well (Quake, UT, Warsow, etc...), the answer is obvious: max speed and lack of acceleration. Take a cheap mouse, disable acceleration, set it to a low sensitivity and try swiping the full length of your mousepad (in my case: 40cm) as fast as you can. Chances are, it'll skip. Badly. There's a good chance it'll add all kinds of funky extra up/down movements, as well as possibly ending up in the exact opposite of the direction you were going. This is what happens when you move a mouse past it's malfunction speed - the tracking algorithm stops working properly and you get funky results. The difference between my Deathadder (favorite mouse of all time, by far - just bought a spare in case they ever go out of production) and a random no-brand mouse or cheaper gaming mouse is the sensor. So far, I've tried the DA on ~8 different surfaces, ranging from Everglide Titan, Qck+, Qck+ Heavy, Exactmat, Qpads, my current Roccat Sense, standard dollar store mousepad and even wooden desks, and I literally cannot get it to skip. I can't move my arm fast enough to make it lose track. This is invaluable if you're a low-sensitivity player like me. Check this link for a comparison of the 'control speed' and 'malfunction speeds' of different popular mice. It's a bit of an outdated test, but most of the classics are still on there. As you can see, while the malfunction speed of the MX518 is close to the DA's, it's 'control speed' is almost 50% lower, meaning it will start behaving badly well before the DA ever does. DA doesn't have any negative or positive acceleration (mouse sensitivity varying by movement speed) on a hardware/driver level either (something both the 518, 510 and IE3.0 suffer from), so your mouse movement is always going to be 1:1 to your cursor movement, which greatly increases comfort and muscle memory in my experience. That's not to say that a cheaper mouse cannot have all these desirable properties. For all I know Walmart sells a $5 mouse with the same sensor/hardware as the Deathadder. Chances are though - they don't. Similarly, very expensive mice can have horrible tracking. The Razer Copperhead was similarly priced to the DA, yet it scores almost 60% lower on all aspects in that test, being one of the early laser sensor mice. | ||
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Drago9205
Bulgaria3 Posts
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buzzkill568
Canada56 Posts
On February 20 2012 17:37 Spiner wrote: Hi high master player. I use The Razer Naga. Not necessarily because of all the buttons (Although I do use some of them for building hotkeys which is very nice) but mainly because of the shape + ring finger rest which suits itself towards the claw/finger grip style. Claw/finger grip = better for RTS One grip is not better than another for RTS. It depends on mouse size and the size of the persons hand. Maybe its best for you. | ||
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DarQraven
Netherlands553 Posts
On February 21 2012 03:01 buzzkill568 wrote: One grip is not better than another for RTS. It depends on mouse size and the size of the persons hand. Maybe its best for you. There is some merit to that, though. Claw/fingertip is very well suited to small tweaks, erratic patterns of motion (zigzag, jump to minimap, click, select units in middle of screen, click, etc...) and generally a higher sensitivity playstyle than palm grip is. Palm grip is very good at stability, high speeds, big motions, accuracy, etc because you use your arm and wrist for mouse control (as opposed to fingers/hand). All stuff that is very important if you're trying to get 65%+ accuracy with a lightning gun, but not very important when you need to select units all over the screen quickly. How you get your cursor from point A to point B is not important in RTS, in FPS it matters a lot. I'm not saying you can't play RTS with a palm grip (in fact I palm, myself), I'm just saying that fingertip/claw with a light, smallish mouse is better suited to the kind of movements you perform in an RTS game, whereas the stability of palm grip and a slightly more heavy mouse/big pad are a lot more beneficial to FPS type movements. Only reason I don't switch is because of the risk of carpal tunnel and the fact that I've gotten *so* used to my current setup and sensitivity that I can navigate screens on my computer with my eyes closed. Switching my sens and grip would mess all that up. | ||
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lisward
Singapore959 Posts
On February 20 2012 23:15 abangmozek wrote: Hi all you gosu sc2 players. I want to ask your opinion on mouse choice I'm currently using a deathadder and recently ahd a feel of the steelseries kana. It felt much lighter and I feel that it suits my fingertip mouse grip than the deathadder(this is just based on feel, and not tested with actual playing) So any views on what mouse is best for my type of grip? I feel that i need a light mouse. Ive tried the kinzu but it felt kinda heavy(eventhough it is almost as light as the kana-the pad maybe?). Ive never tried the xai, ikari or sensei but i feel that the last two is out of my budget. Your thoughts are much appreciated Get the Kana then. I'm using it and I love it to death. I love the shape so much. So long as you feel it suits your grip, get it. Don't listen to all those so called 'tech-snobs' who tell you that their mouse is far superior and end up buying something that you hate. The Ikari is a really big mouse, more for claw gripping. The Xai and Sensei are bigger than the Kana, and they use a laser sensor which has quite a bit of hardware acceleration as compared to the optical sensor of the Kana. Furthermore, anecdotal reports suggest that the Xai comes with a lot of problems, driver issues etc. Kana doesn't really have too too much prediction or hardware accel, so its pretty good, however it doesn't track best at higher CPIs for some reason, although contrary to popular belief, its 1600 and 3200 CPI settings are true CPI and not interpolated. | ||
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DarQraven
Netherlands553 Posts
On February 21 2012 05:56 lisward wrote: Get the Kana then. I'm using it and I love it to death. I love the shape so much. So long as you feel it suits your grip, get it. Don't listen to all those so called 'tech-snobs' who tell you that their mouse is far superior and end up buying something that you hate. The Ikari is a really big mouse, more for claw gripping. The Xai and Sensei are bigger than the Kana, and they use a laser sensor which has quite a bit of hardware acceleration as compared to the optical sensor of the Kana. Furthermore, anecdotal reports suggest that the Xai comes with a lot of problems, driver issues etc. Kana doesn't really have too too much prediction or hardware accel, so its pretty good, however it doesn't track best at higher CPIs for some reason, although contrary to popular belief, its 1600 and 3200 CPI settings are true CPI and not interpolated. I like how you go off on a tangent about tech-snobs, then fill the rest of your post with tech specs. Other than that, yes. If you cannot feel a problem with the mouse then any neg/pos accel or skipping doesn't matter, since it doesn't bother you anyway. Just go with one that feels good in your hand. | ||
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lisward
Singapore959 Posts
On February 21 2012 06:25 DarQraven wrote: I like how you go off on a tangent about tech-snobs, then fill the rest of your post with tech specs. Other than that, yes. If you cannot feel a problem with the mouse then any neg/pos accel or skipping doesn't matter, since it doesn't bother you anyway. Just go with one that feels good in your hand. I was just telling him the differences between the Kana, and the other mice that he was thinking about, Sensei, Ikari and Xai. There was barely any mention of so called 'tech specs'. I just told him that the Kana is smaller than the Xai, Ikari and Sensei, and that it tracks poorly on high sens. Read people's posts properly before going on blasting people for no reason. | ||
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Brootalbro
Korea (South)105 Posts
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DarQraven
Netherlands553 Posts
On February 21 2012 06:35 lisward wrote: I was just telling him the differences between the Kana, and the other mice that he was thinking about, Sensei, Ikari and Xai. There was barely any mention of so called 'tech specs'. I just told him that the Kana is smaller than the Xai, Ikari and Sensei, and that it tracks poorly on high sens. Read people's posts properly before going on blasting people for no reason. Lol, cool down mate, was just a joke. That aside, you did mention practically every aspect there is to a mouses performance. Type of sensor, hardware accel, build quality, driver issues, prediction, performance at different precision settings, interpolation, ... you can hardly get more into the tech without describing individual electronics components.  Especially when most people pick their mice based on "ooh, pretty lights!". | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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eohs
United States677 Posts
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exousia_7
Taiwan215 Posts
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ndreamer
Australia43 Posts
On February 20 2012 08:06 armalite wrote: Zowie Mico, developed with players from StarTale, best mouse for RTS i ever had. The mouse feet are horrible on this mouse but the mouse it's self is awesome, i ended up just removing the feet and buying strips of Teflon now it's so much beater to use on my pad. Logitech G100 is also another decent mouse, slightly bigger then the MiCo, | ||
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