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Shit like this makes me so FREAKING excited. Even though it means very little right now.
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On March 20 2009 06:55 tec27 wrote:I logged into the US one and got to a new TOS agreement, which I agreed to, but then it kicked me back out to the login screen and now logging in just keeps returning me to the login screen.
Something similar happened to me. I was able to manage my account and merge my WoW, but then I logged out and was unable to log back in. It just keeps me at the login screen.
I'm guessing the website is just getting swarmed at the moment, seeing as how the WoW players were just notified of it.
EDIT: Oh, it's working now. I'm guessing it's just heavy traffic.
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On March 20 2009 06:55 tec27 wrote:I logged into the US one and got to a new TOS agreement, which I agreed to, but then it kicked me back out to the login screen and now logging in just keeps returning me to the login screen.
Okay I guess it's not up and running yet. Same thing happened to me.
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The US one is definitely active, you guys just running into the high volume areas.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On March 20 2009 06:38 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2009 06:16 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:13 SearingShadow wrote:On March 20 2009 06:10 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:04 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 05:48 SearingShadow wrote:
Does this mean we can only have one SC2 Bnet account?
You have to register your CD key with your email address and use your email address as a login name to Bnet. Yes, good bye smurfing. Hrm, not necessarily? I mean, you might be right but as far as I can tell, all this means is that your accounts for the various games will be tied to a "master account". IE: Master Account: FrozenArbiter SC2 ID: Dream.t)PltO [US WEST], Jinro [EUROPE] ..... ETC. I believe will we have to use our email address to log into SC2 Bnet. I don't think there's ANY way that'd be the case ;p What, your display ID in game is going to be "Johnny_88@hotmail.com"  ? Doubt it! On March 20 2009 06:15 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 06:10 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:04 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 05:48 SearingShadow wrote:
Does this mean we can only have one SC2 Bnet account?
You have to register your CD key with your email address and use your email address as a login name to Bnet. Yes, good bye smurfing. Hrm, not necessarily? I mean, you might be right but as far as I can tell, all this means is that your accounts for the various games will be tied to a "master account". IE: Master Account: FrozenArbiter SC2 ID: Dream.t)PltO [US WEST], Jinro [EUROPE] ..... ETC. They could but why? They don't like smurfing as it screws with the AMM system. WoW is a different story as you don't have to pay any concerns to that, and having multiple WoW accounts is useful, can't say the same about SC 2. Maybe because lots of people (like me) are going to be pissed off? Smurfing screws with AMM how? Smurfing simply means playing on an account other than the one you are known for, and if it's so detrimental, then you could simply have the AMM rank associated with the master account. Not being able to make more than 1 ID is complete fucking bullshit, what if your younger brother/sister wants to play? They are going to have to play on your hardcore lvl 50 top 100 ladder account -_-? (for this reason I think having AMM rank tied to master account could be bad) What if you want to goof around with a secondary race? What if you are Boxer and don't want 500 people to whisper you as soon as you enter the channel? Ugh, restrictions like this are quite simply BULLSHIT. Going backwards in convenience is completely unacceptable to me (much like how WC3 removed online replay watchability). People tend to dislike getting completely owned in games. Good players that decide to create smurf accounts is a form of griefing that might ruin another player's multiplayer experience. If I was Blizzard I would take that very serious; they want to expand the multiplayer market and things like smurfing hinders that.
.. And I tend to dislike being stuck on the same account for all eternity/might want to just play for fun (ie secondary race, fuck around strats) without ruining my hard obtained ladder rank/might want to practice in secret.
Seriously, let's say I start off as FrozenArbiter, then I want to join a clan? FrozenArbiter [Liquid] (just an example ;p) looks infinitely uglier than, say, Liquid'Arbiter.
Regarding siblings, if you read the FAQ, they make it pretty clear that they want your account to be an unique online ID. They don't want you to share your account to siblings or anyone else.
Regardless of intention, expecting people (who might even have just 1 computer..) to buy TWO copies of the game, is completely unrealistic (also, complete bullshit).
Finally regarding your last point that would be solved if you could have different online nicks tied to your master account but the stats were shared across all nicks. They could also track your skill level per race if they believe that it is a big enough issue.
But even without multiple nicks, I'm sure that Bnet 2 will have a much more robust ignore system; like only allowing PMs from your friends.
Yes I brought that up as well. Ignore system solves very little tho, being able to practice in secret is only fixed by allowing you to smurf -_-
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Wow this shit looks so nice when i added my scbw was CRAZY gosu sound
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On March 20 2009 06:59 404.Nintu wrote:
Shit like this makes me so FREAKING excited. Even though it means very little right now.
Lucky man with a beta key I guess. /envy
updated op with OPT-in location, incase someone missed.
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United States12235 Posts
On March 20 2009 05:31 Savio wrote:
Hard to put my finger on why, but this makes me feel nervous.
I can tell you why. They tried a beta test of the unified account system (which were called Blizzard Accounts) during the F&F alpha of WotLK. It was an abysmal and utter failure, with the account creation system constantly being down, people getting stuck because they created an account but didn't get a password emailed to them, passwords not being saved by the system, etc. It was horrible and required a lot of intervention by Blizzard customer service reps and account managers. And that's beyond the potential security concerns that may arise.
I can see some potential benefits to the system, particularly if it supports Web interaction like the WoW Armory. I foresee something like a Web-based, Battle.net Account-based meta-friends list which would encompass all games. They could even go as far as to implement Battle.net Account friends list within their games, viewable as overlays or via launchers like Steam or X360. Something like that would be pretty convenient.
I don't envision the confusion and hysteria that some of the people in this thread are predicting. It will probably be something like Launch Game > Login with Battle.net Account > Create/Select Username or WoW Account > Enter Battle.net, which is very simple. Convenient (but also dangerous) that you would only need a single password, though you would be protected completely if you had an Authenticator.
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On March 20 2009 06:38 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2009 06:16 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:13 SearingShadow wrote:On March 20 2009 06:10 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:04 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 05:48 SearingShadow wrote:
Does this mean we can only have one SC2 Bnet account?
You have to register your CD key with your email address and use your email address as a login name to Bnet. Yes, good bye smurfing. Hrm, not necessarily? I mean, you might be right but as far as I can tell, all this means is that your accounts for the various games will be tied to a "master account". IE: Master Account: FrozenArbiter SC2 ID: Dream.t)PltO [US WEST], Jinro [EUROPE] ..... ETC. I believe will we have to use our email address to log into SC2 Bnet. I don't think there's ANY way that'd be the case ;p What, your display ID in game is going to be "Johnny_88@hotmail.com" ? Doubt it! On March 20 2009 06:15 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 06:10 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:04 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 05:48 SearingShadow wrote:
Does this mean we can only have one SC2 Bnet account?
You have to register your CD key with your email address and use your email address as a login name to Bnet. Yes, good bye smurfing. Hrm, not necessarily? I mean, you might be right but as far as I can tell, all this means is that your accounts for the various games will be tied to a "master account". IE: Master Account: FrozenArbiter SC2 ID: Dream.t)PltO [US WEST], Jinro [EUROPE] ..... ETC. They could but why? They don't like smurfing as it screws with the AMM system. WoW is a different story as you don't have to pay any concerns to that, and having multiple WoW accounts is useful, can't say the same about SC 2. Maybe because lots of people (like me) are going to be pissed off? Smurfing screws with AMM how? Smurfing simply means playing on an account other than the one you are known for, and if it's so detrimental, then you could simply have the AMM rank associated with the master account. Not being able to make more than 1 ID is complete fucking bullshit, what if your younger brother/sister wants to play? They are going to have to play on your hardcore lvl 50 top 100 ladder account -_-? (for this reason I think having AMM rank tied to master account could be bad) What if you want to goof around with a secondary race? What if you are Boxer and don't want 500 people to whisper you as soon as you enter the channel? Ugh, restrictions like this are quite simply BULLSHIT. Going backwards in convenience is completely unacceptable to me (much like how WC3 removed online replay watchability). People tend to dislike getting completely owned in games. Good players that decide to create smurf accounts is a form of griefing that might ruin another player's multiplayer experience. If I was Blizzard I would take that very serious; they want to expand the multiplayer market and things like smurfing hinders that. Regarding siblings, if you read the FAQ, they make it pretty clear that they want your account to be an unique online ID. They don't want you to share your account to siblings or anyone else. Finally regarding your last point that would be solved if you could have different online nicks tied to your master account but the stats were shared across all nicks. They could also track your skill level per race if they believe that it is a big enough issue. But even without multiple nicks, I'm sure that Bnet 2 will have a much more robust ignore system; like only allowing PMs from your friends.
Your argument is very self-concerning. As much as newbies don't like being pitted against a gosu, A gosu sometimes doesn't want to be pitted against another gosu. And I of course use the term Gosu lightly. What if I wanted to off-race, try new builds, was really tired or on painkillers? You should be able to ladder without it being tied to your main account. Pretty much everyone above C- have multiple smurf accounts, including progamers.
I released some FPvods awhile ago and since then, I've joined a few games to have like "ZOMG, Nintu from TL. it would be awesome if I beat you." It's all good fun but sometimes if I'm in a bad mood, I don't need the stress of thinking that I am being judged by my play or some junk like that. If I couldn't smurf, I would play considerably less Starcraft. And I'm sure a lot of people feel the same about that. (Majority of C- and above)
To be honest, I think the current iccup system is completely perfect. You have the freedom to smurf, and yes, sometimes when you rise the ranks early season, you'll get smashed by really good players. I played haypro 3 times last night and clearstats'd out of frustration. (lawl?) When I found out it was Haypro I didn't mind the rape as much. And even in my frustration that moment, it was more about my level of play which wasn't very strong, not about being matched against an A-.
So I can see your point of not liking being raped at D by A's. But you also have to consider that SC2 seasons will probably be a lot longer, and once a good player get's B equiv on sc2, he probably wouldn't enjoy playing genuine D's. He'd probably smurf on a C account. From what I've seen, not many 'good' players really enjoy sitting at D rank to bash you. They're just there on their way to C so they can get casual, anonymous practice against slightly worse players than they're used to.
Multiple accounts are necessary for offracing, new builds, intoxicated/tired conditions, etc..
"Hey, I didn't qualify for that tour because last night I wanted to see what laddering as Z was like. I'm going to go kill myself."
Headline: Man kills himself over unfair multiple account limitations on video game.
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Ahhhh, feels good to be opt-ed in for beta. Added my WoW and Starcraft games as well, the system look pretty sleek. Interestingly, I'm now only able to log into WoW using my battle.net ID, and it says the login server is down. So, yeah, I guess it's getting swarmed atm. Good thing I have to finish my essay anyways.
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On March 20 2009 07:44 GGQ wrote:
Ahhhh, feels good to be opt-ed in for beta.
How did you do that? Does having the new bnet account automatically do it? I'm planning on having a bunch of friends sign up for the beta so I have a better chance. Am I missing something? 
Oh, I see the communication preferences that has a check box for opt-ins. Hopefully there will be some sort of public announcement about sc2 opt-ins soon.
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On March 20 2009 07:06 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2009 06:38 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 06:16 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:13 SearingShadow wrote:On March 20 2009 06:10 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:04 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 05:48 SearingShadow wrote:
Does this mean we can only have one SC2 Bnet account?
You have to register your CD key with your email address and use your email address as a login name to Bnet. Yes, good bye smurfing. Hrm, not necessarily? I mean, you might be right but as far as I can tell, all this means is that your accounts for the various games will be tied to a "master account". IE: Master Account: FrozenArbiter SC2 ID: Dream.t)PltO [US WEST], Jinro [EUROPE] ..... ETC. I believe will we have to use our email address to log into SC2 Bnet. I don't think there's ANY way that'd be the case ;p What, your display ID in game is going to be "Johnny_88@hotmail.com" ? Doubt it! On March 20 2009 06:15 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 06:10 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:04 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 05:48 SearingShadow wrote:
Does this mean we can only have one SC2 Bnet account?
You have to register your CD key with your email address and use your email address as a login name to Bnet. Yes, good bye smurfing. Hrm, not necessarily? I mean, you might be right but as far as I can tell, all this means is that your accounts for the various games will be tied to a "master account". IE: Master Account: FrozenArbiter SC2 ID: Dream.t)PltO [US WEST], Jinro [EUROPE] ..... ETC. They could but why? They don't like smurfing as it screws with the AMM system. WoW is a different story as you don't have to pay any concerns to that, and having multiple WoW accounts is useful, can't say the same about SC 2. Maybe because lots of people (like me) are going to be pissed off? Smurfing screws with AMM how? Smurfing simply means playing on an account other than the one you are known for, and if it's so detrimental, then you could simply have the AMM rank associated with the master account. Not being able to make more than 1 ID is complete fucking bullshit, what if your younger brother/sister wants to play? They are going to have to play on your hardcore lvl 50 top 100 ladder account -_-? (for this reason I think having AMM rank tied to master account could be bad) What if you want to goof around with a secondary race? What if you are Boxer and don't want 500 people to whisper you as soon as you enter the channel? Ugh, restrictions like this are quite simply BULLSHIT. Going backwards in convenience is completely unacceptable to me (much like how WC3 removed online replay watchability). People tend to dislike getting completely owned in games. Good players that decide to create smurf accounts is a form of griefing that might ruin another player's multiplayer experience. If I was Blizzard I would take that very serious; they want to expand the multiplayer market and things like smurfing hinders that. .. And I tend to dislike being stuck on the same account for all eternity/might want to just play for fun (ie secondary race, fuck around strats) without ruining my hard obtained ladder rank/might want to practice in secret. Seriously, let's say I start off as FrozenArbiter, then I want to join a clan? FrozenArbiter [Liquid] (just an example ;p) looks infinitely uglier than, say, Liquid'Arbiter. Show nested quote +
Regarding siblings, if you read the FAQ, they make it pretty clear that they want your account to be an unique online ID. They don't want you to share your account to siblings or anyone else.
Regardless of intention, expecting people (who might even have just 1 computer..) to buy TWO copies of the game, is completely unrealistic (also, complete bullshit). Show nested quote +
Finally regarding your last point that would be solved if you could have different online nicks tied to your master account but the stats were shared across all nicks. They could also track your skill level per race if they believe that it is a big enough issue.
But even without multiple nicks, I'm sure that Bnet 2 will have a much more robust ignore system; like only allowing PMs from your friends.
Yes I brought that up as well. Ignore system solves very little tho, being able to practice in secret is only fixed by allowing you to smurf -_-
Well, I'm afraid that you might be disappointed by some of the changes then. Sometime you just have to take the good with the bad.
I think an unique ID is a great idea; not least from a business perspective. If you can't create smurf accounts most people won't share their accounts to their friends/siblings (they don't want anyone to mess with their stats) thus forcing them to buy their own copy of the game.
I'm sure PRO players can afford buying multiple copies of the game if they for some reason really need to smurf.
To me it make more sense playing regular games on the ladder and then practice the more secret stuff in private custom games against specific training partners.
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I certainly wouldn't mind a single account having multiple ladder stats for experimentation or off-race purposes, but I still feel that they have to be limited somehow.
Most of you are only looking at smurfing from the pro-gamer point of view. But not everybody is interested in being a pro, and most casual gamers just want to play the game and have a good time. Getting continually smashed by smurfers all the time isn't fun, and for many casuals it would discourage them from playing the game altogether. Ladders should have a place that both pros and casuals can have fun at, not just pros alone.
Maybe a good solution would to allow an account to have an "off-race" side account to practice with that has its own separate stats. It would be a limited number however, since being able to endlessly create smurfs would be unfair to casuals.
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When you are creating your new battle.net account, it'll give you an option to opt in for future betas. If you missed it while creating the account, just log in to your account, and it's under Communication Preferences.
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Sweden33719 Posts
So I can see your point of not liking being raped at D by A's. But you also have to consider that SC2 seasons will probably be a lot longer, and once a good player get's B equiv on sc2, he probably wouldn't enjoy playing genuine D's. He'd probably smurf on a C account. From what I've seen, not many 'good' players really enjoy sitting at D rank to bash you. They're just there on their way to C so they can get casual, anonymous practice against slightly worse players than they're used to.
It should be noted that smurfing really doesn't have anything to do with playing lower ranked opponents. If BoxeR has a level 50 account and then decides to run a smurf account up to LVL 50 as well, he's smurfing when he's playing on it.
On March 20 2009 07:50 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2009 07:06 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:38 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 06:16 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:13 SearingShadow wrote:On March 20 2009 06:10 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:04 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 05:48 SearingShadow wrote:
Does this mean we can only have one SC2 Bnet account?
You have to register your CD key with your email address and use your email address as a login name to Bnet. Yes, good bye smurfing. Hrm, not necessarily? I mean, you might be right but as far as I can tell, all this means is that your accounts for the various games will be tied to a "master account". IE: Master Account: FrozenArbiter SC2 ID: Dream.t)PltO [US WEST], Jinro [EUROPE] ..... ETC. I believe will we have to use our email address to log into SC2 Bnet. I don't think there's ANY way that'd be the case ;p What, your display ID in game is going to be "Johnny_88@hotmail.com" ? Doubt it! On March 20 2009 06:15 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 06:10 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:04 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 05:48 SearingShadow wrote:
Does this mean we can only have one SC2 Bnet account?
You have to register your CD key with your email address and use your email address as a login name to Bnet. Yes, good bye smurfing. Hrm, not necessarily? I mean, you might be right but as far as I can tell, all this means is that your accounts for the various games will be tied to a "master account". IE: Master Account: FrozenArbiter SC2 ID: Dream.t)PltO [US WEST], Jinro [EUROPE] ..... ETC. They could but why? They don't like smurfing as it screws with the AMM system. WoW is a different story as you don't have to pay any concerns to that, and having multiple WoW accounts is useful, can't say the same about SC 2. Maybe because lots of people (like me) are going to be pissed off? Smurfing screws with AMM how? Smurfing simply means playing on an account other than the one you are known for, and if it's so detrimental, then you could simply have the AMM rank associated with the master account. Not being able to make more than 1 ID is complete fucking bullshit, what if your younger brother/sister wants to play? They are going to have to play on your hardcore lvl 50 top 100 ladder account -_-? (for this reason I think having AMM rank tied to master account could be bad) What if you want to goof around with a secondary race? What if you are Boxer and don't want 500 people to whisper you as soon as you enter the channel? Ugh, restrictions like this are quite simply BULLSHIT. Going backwards in convenience is completely unacceptable to me (much like how WC3 removed online replay watchability). People tend to dislike getting completely owned in games. Good players that decide to create smurf accounts is a form of griefing that might ruin another player's multiplayer experience. If I was Blizzard I would take that very serious; they want to expand the multiplayer market and things like smurfing hinders that. .. And I tend to dislike being stuck on the same account for all eternity/might want to just play for fun (ie secondary race, fuck around strats) without ruining my hard obtained ladder rank/might want to practice in secret. Seriously, let's say I start off as FrozenArbiter, then I want to join a clan? FrozenArbiter [Liquid] (just an example ;p) looks infinitely uglier than, say, Liquid'Arbiter.
Regarding siblings, if you read the FAQ, they make it pretty clear that they want your account to be an unique online ID. They don't want you to share your account to siblings or anyone else.
Regardless of intention, expecting people (who might even have just 1 computer..) to buy TWO copies of the game, is completely unrealistic (also, complete bullshit).
Finally regarding your last point that would be solved if you could have different online nicks tied to your master account but the stats were shared across all nicks. They could also track your skill level per race if they believe that it is a big enough issue.
But even without multiple nicks, I'm sure that Bnet 2 will have a much more robust ignore system; like only allowing PMs from your friends.
Yes I brought that up as well. Ignore system solves very little tho, being able to practice in secret is only fixed by allowing you to smurf -_- Well, I'm afraid that you might be disappointed by some of the changes then. Sometime you just have to take the good with the bad. I think an unique ID is a great idea; not least from a business perspective. If you can't create smurf accounts most people won't share their accounts to their friends/siblings (they don't want anyone to mess with their stats) thus forcing them to buy their own copy of the game. I'm sure PRO players can afford buying multiple copies of the game if they for some reason really need to smurf. To me it make more sense playing regular games on the ladder and then practice the more secret stuff in private custom games against specific training partners.
Artifically forcing players to buy more copies of the game.. is bullshit. Being unable to simultaneously play with your brother without having 2 copies is enough, punishing people who can't do that anyway (ie have only 1 computer) is.. stupid -_-
I don't see why I should be satisfied with "the bad" when I could have all the good in SC or WC3 - it's a step backwards!
Furthermore, how do you want to handle people who only play from PC cafe's?
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On March 20 2009 07:42 404.Nintu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2009 06:38 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 06:16 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:13 SearingShadow wrote:On March 20 2009 06:10 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:04 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 05:48 SearingShadow wrote:
Does this mean we can only have one SC2 Bnet account?
You have to register your CD key with your email address and use your email address as a login name to Bnet. Yes, good bye smurfing. Hrm, not necessarily? I mean, you might be right but as far as I can tell, all this means is that your accounts for the various games will be tied to a "master account". IE: Master Account: FrozenArbiter SC2 ID: Dream.t)PltO [US WEST], Jinro [EUROPE] ..... ETC. I believe will we have to use our email address to log into SC2 Bnet. I don't think there's ANY way that'd be the case ;p What, your display ID in game is going to be "Johnny_88@hotmail.com" ? Doubt it! On March 20 2009 06:15 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 06:10 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:04 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 05:48 SearingShadow wrote:
Does this mean we can only have one SC2 Bnet account?
You have to register your CD key with your email address and use your email address as a login name to Bnet. Yes, good bye smurfing. Hrm, not necessarily? I mean, you might be right but as far as I can tell, all this means is that your accounts for the various games will be tied to a "master account". IE: Master Account: FrozenArbiter SC2 ID: Dream.t)PltO [US WEST], Jinro [EUROPE] ..... ETC. They could but why? They don't like smurfing as it screws with the AMM system. WoW is a different story as you don't have to pay any concerns to that, and having multiple WoW accounts is useful, can't say the same about SC 2. Maybe because lots of people (like me) are going to be pissed off? Smurfing screws with AMM how? Smurfing simply means playing on an account other than the one you are known for, and if it's so detrimental, then you could simply have the AMM rank associated with the master account. Not being able to make more than 1 ID is complete fucking bullshit, what if your younger brother/sister wants to play? They are going to have to play on your hardcore lvl 50 top 100 ladder account -_-? (for this reason I think having AMM rank tied to master account could be bad) What if you want to goof around with a secondary race? What if you are Boxer and don't want 500 people to whisper you as soon as you enter the channel? Ugh, restrictions like this are quite simply BULLSHIT. Going backwards in convenience is completely unacceptable to me (much like how WC3 removed online replay watchability). People tend to dislike getting completely owned in games. Good players that decide to create smurf accounts is a form of griefing that might ruin another player's multiplayer experience. If I was Blizzard I would take that very serious; they want to expand the multiplayer market and things like smurfing hinders that. Regarding siblings, if you read the FAQ, they make it pretty clear that they want your account to be an unique online ID. They don't want you to share your account to siblings or anyone else. Finally regarding your last point that would be solved if you could have different online nicks tied to your master account but the stats were shared across all nicks. They could also track your skill level per race if they believe that it is a big enough issue. But even without multiple nicks, I'm sure that Bnet 2 will have a much more robust ignore system; like only allowing PMs from your friends. Your argument is very self-concerning. As much as newbies don't like being pitted against a gosu, A gosu sometimes doesn't want to be pitted against another gosu. And I of course use the term Gosu lightly. What if I wanted to off-race, try new builds, was really tired or on painkillers? You should be able to ladder without it being tied to your main account. Pretty much everyone above C- have multiple smurf accounts, including progamers. I released some FPvods awhile ago and since then, I've joined a few games to have like "ZOMG, Nintu from TL. it would be awesome if I beat you." It's all good fun but sometimes if I'm in a bad mood, I don't need the stress of thinking that I am being judged by my play or some junk like that. If I couldn't smurf, I would play considerably less Starcraft. And I'm sure a lot of people feel the same about that. (Majority of C- and above) To be honest, I think the current iccup system is completely perfect. You have the freedom to smurf, and yes, sometimes when you rise the ranks early season, you'll get smashed by really good players. I played haypro 3 times last night and clearstats'd out of frustration. (lawl?) When I found out it was Haypro I didn't mind the rape as much. And even in my frustration that moment, it was more about my level of play which wasn't very strong, not about being matched against an A-. So I can see your point of not liking being raped at D by A's. But you also have to consider that SC2 seasons will probably be a lot longer, and once a good player get's B equiv on sc2, he probably wouldn't enjoy playing genuine D's. He'd probably smurf on a C account. From what I've seen, not many 'good' players really enjoy sitting at D rank to bash you. They're just there on their way to C so they can get casual, anonymous practice against slightly worse players than they're used to. Multiple accounts are necessary for offracing, new builds, intoxicated/tired conditions, etc.. "Hey, I didn't qualify for that tour because last night I wanted to see what laddering as Z was like. I'm going to go kill myself." Headline: Man kills himself over unfair multiple account limitations on video game.
First of all you draw the conclusion that I'm one of those that needs protection from smurfs. That is interesting.
Besides those gosus as you call them are hardcore players. Those are players that will in most cases play the game anyhow.
"Newbies" outnumber "gosus" by a far margin. In other words they are more important from a business perspective. They are also more sensitive to their online experience. Getting completely stomped when they try to play the game in multiplayer won't encourage them to keep playing.
Regarding the rest of your concerns I have acknowledge them previously and I have suggested solutions for them.
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Sweden33719 Posts
"Newbies" outnumber "gosus" by a far margin. In other words they are more important from a business perspective. They are also more sensitive to their online experience. Getting completely stomped when they try to play the game in multiplayer won't encourage them to keep playing.
And by the same reasoning this shouldn't matter at all as they have already bought the game.. -_-
Also, to elaborate on my previous point, it's gonna make it a lot harder to just casually drop by a PC cafe and play some games, if everyone in your group of people have to own the game being played to create an account >_<
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On March 20 2009 08:01 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +"Newbies" outnumber "gosus" by a far margin. In other words they are more important from a business perspective. They are also more sensitive to their online experience. Getting completely stomped when they try to play the game in multiplayer won't encourage them to keep playing. And by the same reasoning this shouldn't matter at all as they have already bought the game.. -_-
It WILL however cause them to think twice about buying the expansions. If they can't have fun playing online just because Mr. Oh-So-Important Pro-gamer wants to take break, they will simply not buy any more SC2 games.
I think there are ways to cut down on smurfing without harming pro-gamers in the process, but smurfing IS an issue, and it shouldn't be left alone.
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On March 20 2009 08:03 Spawkuring wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2009 08:01 FrozenArbiter wrote:"Newbies" outnumber "gosus" by a far margin. In other words they are more important from a business perspective. They are also more sensitive to their online experience. Getting completely stomped when they try to play the game in multiplayer won't encourage them to keep playing. And by the same reasoning this shouldn't matter at all as they have already bought the game.. -_- It WILL however cause them to think twice about buying the expansions. If they can't have fun playing online just because Mr. Oh-So-Important Pro-gamer wants to take break, they will simply not buy any more SC2 games. I think there are ways to cut down on smurfing without harming pro-gamers in the process, but smurfing IS an issue, and it shouldn't be left alone.
No they'll simply play UMS or buy it for the campaign. If someone can't handle getting stomped once every 20 games (seriously, smurfing progamers are going to stay low rank HOW LONG? not very long at all indeed), they are the kind of whiny bitch that will quit anyway.
Call me elitist if you want, but convenience > the sensibilites of whiny kids.
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On March 20 2009 07:54 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +So I can see your point of not liking being raped at D by A's. But you also have to consider that SC2 seasons will probably be a lot longer, and once a good player get's B equiv on sc2, he probably wouldn't enjoy playing genuine D's. He'd probably smurf on a C account. From what I've seen, not many 'good' players really enjoy sitting at D rank to bash you. They're just there on their way to C so they can get casual, anonymous practice against slightly worse players than they're used to. It should be noted that smurfing really doesn't have anything to do with playing lower ranked opponents. If BoxeR has a level 50 account and then decides to run a smurf account up to LVL 50 as well, he's smurfing when he's playing on it. Show nested quote +On March 20 2009 07:50 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 07:06 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:38 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 06:16 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:13 SearingShadow wrote:On March 20 2009 06:10 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:04 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 05:48 SearingShadow wrote:
Does this mean we can only have one SC2 Bnet account?
You have to register your CD key with your email address and use your email address as a login name to Bnet. Yes, good bye smurfing. Hrm, not necessarily? I mean, you might be right but as far as I can tell, all this means is that your accounts for the various games will be tied to a "master account". IE: Master Account: FrozenArbiter SC2 ID: Dream.t)PltO [US WEST], Jinro [EUROPE] ..... ETC. I believe will we have to use our email address to log into SC2 Bnet. I don't think there's ANY way that'd be the case ;p What, your display ID in game is going to be "Johnny_88@hotmail.com" ? Doubt it! On March 20 2009 06:15 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 06:10 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 20 2009 06:04 Eury wrote:On March 20 2009 05:48 SearingShadow wrote:
Does this mean we can only have one SC2 Bnet account?
You have to register your CD key with your email address and use your email address as a login name to Bnet. Yes, good bye smurfing. Hrm, not necessarily? I mean, you might be right but as far as I can tell, all this means is that your accounts for the various games will be tied to a "master account". IE: Master Account: FrozenArbiter SC2 ID: Dream.t)PltO [US WEST], Jinro [EUROPE] ..... ETC. They could but why? They don't like smurfing as it screws with the AMM system. WoW is a different story as you don't have to pay any concerns to that, and having multiple WoW accounts is useful, can't say the same about SC 2. Maybe because lots of people (like me) are going to be pissed off? Smurfing screws with AMM how? Smurfing simply means playing on an account other than the one you are known for, and if it's so detrimental, then you could simply have the AMM rank associated with the master account. Not being able to make more than 1 ID is complete fucking bullshit, what if your younger brother/sister wants to play? They are going to have to play on your hardcore lvl 50 top 100 ladder account -_-? (for this reason I think having AMM rank tied to master account could be bad) What if you want to goof around with a secondary race? What if you are Boxer and don't want 500 people to whisper you as soon as you enter the channel? Ugh, restrictions like this are quite simply BULLSHIT. Going backwards in convenience is completely unacceptable to me (much like how WC3 removed online replay watchability). People tend to dislike getting completely owned in games. Good players that decide to create smurf accounts is a form of griefing that might ruin another player's multiplayer experience. If I was Blizzard I would take that very serious; they want to expand the multiplayer market and things like smurfing hinders that. .. And I tend to dislike being stuck on the same account for all eternity/might want to just play for fun (ie secondary race, fuck around strats) without ruining my hard obtained ladder rank/might want to practice in secret. Seriously, let's say I start off as FrozenArbiter, then I want to join a clan? FrozenArbiter [Liquid] (just an example ;p) looks infinitely uglier than, say, Liquid'Arbiter.
Regarding siblings, if you read the FAQ, they make it pretty clear that they want your account to be an unique online ID. They don't want you to share your account to siblings or anyone else.
Regardless of intention, expecting people (who might even have just 1 computer..) to buy TWO copies of the game, is completely unrealistic (also, complete bullshit).
Finally regarding your last point that would be solved if you could have different online nicks tied to your master account but the stats were shared across all nicks. They could also track your skill level per race if they believe that it is a big enough issue.
But even without multiple nicks, I'm sure that Bnet 2 will have a much more robust ignore system; like only allowing PMs from your friends.
Yes I brought that up as well. Ignore system solves very little tho, being able to practice in secret is only fixed by allowing you to smurf -_- Well, I'm afraid that you might be disappointed by some of the changes then. Sometime you just have to take the good with the bad. I think an unique ID is a great idea; not least from a business perspective. If you can't create smurf accounts most people won't share their accounts to their friends/siblings (they don't want anyone to mess with their stats) thus forcing them to buy their own copy of the game. I'm sure PRO players can afford buying multiple copies of the game if they for some reason really need to smurf. To me it make more sense playing regular games on the ladder and then practice the more secret stuff in private custom games against specific training partners. Artifically forcing players to buy more copies of the game.. is bullshit. Being unable to simultaneously play with your brother without having 2 copies is enough, punishing people who can't do that anyway (ie have only 1 computer) is.. stupid -_- I don't see why I should be satisfied with "the bad" when I could have all the good in SC or WC3 - it's a step backwards! Furthermore, how do you want to handle people who only play from PC cafe's?
Well you can't have all the good in SC or WC3. SC 2 is a new game, you will lack that.
Plus all the new Bnet 2 features whatever that will be. And yes I'm sure there will be a few negative things that will follow Bnet 2 (like no seperate LAN option perhaps...).
That's what I meant with taking the good with the bad. There will be a lot of good stuff but I'm afraid there will be a couple of relative bad things too. That is a price you have to pay I'm afraid.
Regarding PC cafe's they might have separate cd keys that aren't tied to accounts, or cd keys will be tied to the account only and not at all to the installations. In the latter case you have to own a copy of the game obviously, but Blizzard might count on that most people interested in SC 2 will also own a copy.
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