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SC2 at Esports World Cup to have $1m prize pool

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serralbest
Profile Joined January 2024
39 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-13 18:27:41
April 18 2024 11:37 GMT
#1
Update (June 13): Prize split announced



Update (May 1): $1m prize pool, format, and dates for SC2 @ Esports World Cup officially announced

(Wiki)Esports World Cup/2024





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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10332 Posts
April 18 2024 12:22 GMT
#2
ONE MILLION?

Dude, i thought this was a spam bot thread

Holy crap. So first place might win $300k and 2nd place $150k? This is amazing.
A bit too sad that only 18 players will taste some of that money though. Even 24 would be a nicer way to spread it around.
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FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4501 Posts
April 18 2024 12:24 GMT
#3
YEah i thought this was a bot thread haha. Well isn't that amazing. $$ the pros won't go hungry at this event.
hi. big fan.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3376 Posts
April 18 2024 16:37 GMT
#4
This will be one stacked open qualifier.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 18 2024 16:43 GMT
#5
Do we have confirmation in that prize pool? I can't find anything about that outside of the LP page.
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8231 Posts
April 18 2024 16:46 GMT
#6
On April 19 2024 01:43 Nakajin wrote:
Do we have confirmation in that prize pool? I can't find anything about that outside of the LP page.

It's pretty much confirmed. Overall there's going to be $60m handed out.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 18 2024 16:59 GMT
#7
On April 19 2024 01:46 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2024 01:43 Nakajin wrote:
Do we have confirmation in that prize pool? I can't find anything about that outside of the LP page.

It's pretty much confirmed. Overall there's going to be $60m handed out.


From what I understand, it's ''only'' 30 M$ for the prize money of tournaments (20 tournaments) with the rest being club bonus (20 M$), MVP performance and qualifiers.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33371 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-18 17:09:11
April 18 2024 17:07 GMT
#8
On April 19 2024 01:43 Nakajin wrote:
Do we have confirmation in that prize pool? I can't find anything about that outside of the LP page.


The deepest the Liquipedia Discord can trace it back is to this German article and a deleted tweet

https://www.gamesunit.de/artikel/esports-world-cup-mit-rekord-preisgeld-von-mehr-als-60-millionen-us-dollar-bestaetigt-196509.html

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLS-mPQWcAAFjkP.jpg
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4193 Posts
April 18 2024 17:26 GMT
#9
That's beyond bonkers if true.
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 18 2024 20:00 GMT
#10
On April 19 2024 02:07 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2024 01:43 Nakajin wrote:
Do we have confirmation in that prize pool? I can't find anything about that outside of the LP page.


The deepest the Liquipedia Discord can trace it back is to this German article and a deleted tweet

https://www.gamesunit.de/artikel/esports-world-cup-mit-rekord-preisgeld-von-mehr-als-60-millionen-us-dollar-bestaetigt-196509.html

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLS-mPQWcAAFjkP.jpg


God damn.
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
April 18 2024 20:38 GMT
#11
Can Rogue qualify to the EWC 2024 through Code S?
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25216 Posts
April 18 2024 21:29 GMT
#12
Yay sportswashing!
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
April 18 2024 21:32 GMT
#13
On April 19 2024 06:29 WombaT wrote:
Yay sportswashing!

And more money for the top dogs who already have hundreds of thousands and none for the poor bastards below!
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25216 Posts
April 18 2024 21:43 GMT
#14
On April 19 2024 06:32 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2024 06:29 WombaT wrote:
Yay sportswashing!

And more money for the top dogs who already have hundreds of thousands and none for the poor bastards below!

Also this. There’s nothing that really goes towards sustaining the scene in the medium/long term from going so top heavy with this fundage injection
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
April 18 2024 22:15 GMT
#15
They need to somehow figure out a way for the game to not be played with latency. It would be beyond shameful to throw that much money at a tournament where the outcome can be influenced by latency spikes.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1156 Posts
April 18 2024 22:40 GMT
#16
On April 19 2024 05:38 swarminfestor wrote:
Can Rogue qualify to the EWC 2024 through Code S?


No, but he can attend ESL Dallas through the Open Qualifier and try for a slot there. GSL itself does not award any slots for EWC (except through the EPT Korea Points)
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2843 Posts
April 18 2024 23:25 GMT
#17
On April 19 2024 06:43 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2024 06:32 Durnuu wrote:
On April 19 2024 06:29 WombaT wrote:
Yay sportswashing!

And more money for the top dogs who already have hundreds of thousands and none for the poor bastards below!

Also this. There’s nothing that really goes towards sustaining the scene in the medium/long term from going so top heavy with this fundage injection


Top earners COULD put on some self-funded tournies for the b-teamers. Johnny Appleseed the shit out of some ESPORTS money. Would never happen tho xD
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Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-18 23:30:31
April 18 2024 23:27 GMT
#18
I don't know if this is 100% accurate, but here's the official Prize pool breakdown for each game: https://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=dota&no=46164&page=1

These numbers seem to match the ones posted by Waxangel, so the $1,000,000 SC2 prize pool is very likely correct.
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 18 2024 23:52 GMT
#19
On April 19 2024 06:29 WombaT wrote:
Yay sportswashing!


Well at least the cheers of the crowds will drown out the human rights crimes!

lol, jk, it will be an empty arena.
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jy_9876543210
Profile Joined March 2016
265 Posts
April 19 2024 00:07 GMT
#20
Serral is still listed?
"Summer 2024"
Well, I guess he won't be able to attend...
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Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1156 Posts
April 19 2024 00:15 GMT
#21
On April 19 2024 09:07 jy_9876543210 wrote:
Serral is still listed?
"Summer 2024"
Well, I guess he won't be able to attend...


Serral plans on attending ESL Spring and EWC and he sounded rather confident that he could.
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 19 2024 00:18 GMT
#22
What does it even mean that the qualifiers will have $750K? My understanding is there are qualifiers at the very end after the first fourteen players are already decided. Are they really gonna put 750000 into that last qualifier that decides the last two players after presumably the top 14 performing players were already decided?
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10332 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-19 01:20:06
April 19 2024 01:17 GMT
#23
On April 19 2024 09:18 Pandain wrote:
What does it even mean that the qualifiers will have $750K? My understanding is there are qualifiers at the very end after the first fourteen players are already decided. Are they really gonna put 750000 into that last qualifier that decides the last two players after presumably the top 14 performing players were already decided?


Oh, good point... hmm...
Maybe everyone who qualified (gets to the first round of the tournament) gets some money too?
That IS a ton of money for qualifiers, holy. The main tourny is only $1 million lol

Hmm wait is it 750k? It's $60 million for all the games, $760k for all the qualifiers.
So for SC2 maybe it'd end up being just around $13k for qualifiers?
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-19 01:53:38
April 19 2024 01:52 GMT
#24
On April 19 2024 10:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2024 09:18 Pandain wrote:
What does it even mean that the qualifiers will have $750K? My understanding is there are qualifiers at the very end after the first fourteen players are already decided. Are they really gonna put 750000 into that last qualifier that decides the last two players after presumably the top 14 performing players were already decided?


Oh, good point... hmm...
Maybe everyone who qualified (gets to the first round of the tournament) gets some money too?
That IS a ton of money for qualifiers, holy. The main tourny is only $1 million lol

Hmm wait is it 750k? It's $60 million for all the games, $760k for all the qualifiers.
So for SC2 maybe it'd end up being just around $13k for qualifiers?


The leaked image, I believe in the thread above, said for qualifier 500k and then 250k below that, specifically for SC2

The image looked real enough but I don’t know how to make sense of it
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10332 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-19 01:59:21
April 19 2024 01:58 GMT
#25
On April 19 2024 10:52 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2024 10:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
On April 19 2024 09:18 Pandain wrote:
What does it even mean that the qualifiers will have $750K? My understanding is there are qualifiers at the very end after the first fourteen players are already decided. Are they really gonna put 750000 into that last qualifier that decides the last two players after presumably the top 14 performing players were already decided?


Oh, good point... hmm...
Maybe everyone who qualified (gets to the first round of the tournament) gets some money too?
That IS a ton of money for qualifiers, holy. The main tourny is only $1 million lol

Hmm wait is it 750k? It's $60 million for all the games, $760k for all the qualifiers.
So for SC2 maybe it'd end up being just around $13k for qualifiers?


The leaked image, I believe in the thread above, said for qualifier 500k and then 250k below that, specifically for SC2

The image looked real enough but I don’t know how to make sense of it


Oh holy crap you're right. That's weird. Maybe it was taken down to be edited further.
It wouldn't seem to make sense with the main tourny actually being $1 million... Even other games' qualifiers don't give as much. Maybe it was supposed to be $50k and $25k for qualifiers. Maybe $50k awarded to those who made it (for example, those who had enough EPT points get a prize for making it in), and $25k for open qualifiers.

Cool that SC2 has a bigger pool than Rocket League this year though! I think it was smaller last year and Rocket League was more around $1 mil.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3395 Posts
April 19 2024 02:47 GMT
#26
Well, to be a smart-ass, they already have the Qualifier for ESW, which are the ESL Global Final and IEM, so the prize pool for the "qualifier" are 75k x 3 + 500k = 735k.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10332 Posts
April 19 2024 04:36 GMT
#27
On April 19 2024 11:47 tigera6 wrote:
Well, to be a smart-ass, they already have the Qualifier for ESW, which are the ESL Global Final and IEM, so the prize pool for the "qualifier" are 75k x 3 + 500k = 735k.


Wait, there's a ESL Global Final? Or you just mean IEM Kato which had $500k?
And where is the other $75k * 3 coming from, sorry i don't really understand how the circuit works lol
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3395 Posts
April 19 2024 04:52 GMT
#28
On April 19 2024 13:36 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2024 11:47 tigera6 wrote:
Well, to be a smart-ass, they already have the Qualifier for ESW, which are the ESL Global Final and IEM, so the prize pool for the "qualifier" are 75k x 3 + 500k = 735k.


Wait, there's a ESL Global Final? Or you just mean IEM Kato which had $500k?
And where is the other $75k * 3 coming from, sorry i don't really understand how the circuit works lol

I mean the ESL Seasonal tournament Main Event (Fall/Winter/Spring), winner of Fall and Winter (Serral and Clem) are qualified into EWC, and top 4 in Spring will be qualified as well. So they do serve as "qualifier" in a sense.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6923 Posts
April 19 2024 09:45 GMT
#29
On April 19 2024 08:27 Chris_Havoc wrote:
I don't know if this is 100% accurate, but here's the official Prize pool breakdown for each game: https://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=dota&no=46164&page=1

These numbers seem to match the ones posted by Waxangel, so the $1,000,000 SC2 prize pool is very likely correct.


There will be a "Mobile Legends Women" tournament with 500k on the line in Saudi Arabia. Now that is interesting.
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6923 Posts
April 19 2024 09:49 GMT
#30
On April 19 2024 10:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2024 09:18 Pandain wrote:
What does it even mean that the qualifiers will have $750K? My understanding is there are qualifiers at the very end after the first fourteen players are already decided. Are they really gonna put 750000 into that last qualifier that decides the last two players after presumably the top 14 performing players were already decided?


Oh, good point... hmm...
Maybe everyone who qualified (gets to the first round of the tournament) gets some money too?
That IS a ton of money for qualifiers, holy. The main tourny is only $1 million lol

Hmm wait is it 750k? It's $60 million for all the games, $760k for all the qualifiers.
So for SC2 maybe it'd end up being just around $13k for qualifiers?


You got some numbers turned around IMO.

7,5 million are for qualifiers. 5 of those for DotA alone.
SC2 has 750k which probably is counting everything ESL does since ESL works for Saudi
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Comedy
Profile Joined March 2016
456 Posts
April 19 2024 10:06 GMT
#31
look at all these garbage titles, esport used to be an actual game that was sort of like a sport on your pc. now we're just playing kids games for millions of dollars
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-19 10:37:53
April 19 2024 10:37 GMT
#32
On April 19 2024 09:07 jy_9876543210 wrote:
Serral is still listed?
"Summer 2024"
Well, I guess he won't be able to attend...

Serral's military service is in the athlete corps which allow them to have days dedicated to travel for competition reasons, he has likely reserved them for EPT Dallas and EWC, hence he wasn't playing in anything else in recent times, like StarsWar qualifiers.
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10332 Posts
April 19 2024 11:09 GMT
#33
On April 19 2024 13:52 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2024 13:36 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
On April 19 2024 11:47 tigera6 wrote:
Well, to be a smart-ass, they already have the Qualifier for ESW, which are the ESL Global Final and IEM, so the prize pool for the "qualifier" are 75k x 3 + 500k = 735k.


Wait, there's a ESL Global Final? Or you just mean IEM Kato which had $500k?
And where is the other $75k * 3 coming from, sorry i don't really understand how the circuit works lol

I mean the ESL Seasonal tournament Main Event (Fall/Winter/Spring), winner of Fall and Winter (Serral and Clem) are qualified into EWC, and top 4 in Spring will be qualified as well. So they do serve as "qualifier" in a sense.


On April 19 2024 18:49 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2024 10:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
On April 19 2024 09:18 Pandain wrote:
What does it even mean that the qualifiers will have $750K? My understanding is there are qualifiers at the very end after the first fourteen players are already decided. Are they really gonna put 750000 into that last qualifier that decides the last two players after presumably the top 14 performing players were already decided?


Oh, good point... hmm...
Maybe everyone who qualified (gets to the first round of the tournament) gets some money too?
That IS a ton of money for qualifiers, holy. The main tourny is only $1 million lol

Hmm wait is it 750k? It's $60 million for all the games, $760k for all the qualifiers.
So for SC2 maybe it'd end up being just around $13k for qualifiers?


You got some numbers turned around IMO.

7,5 million are for qualifiers. 5 of those for DotA alone.
SC2 has 750k which probably is counting everything ESL does since ESL works for Saudi


Ooh got it, thanks guys. Yeah it's fair to count those as qualifiers since this is the global finals.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25216 Posts
April 19 2024 12:39 GMT
#34
On April 19 2024 20:09 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2024 13:52 tigera6 wrote:
On April 19 2024 13:36 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
On April 19 2024 11:47 tigera6 wrote:
Well, to be a smart-ass, they already have the Qualifier for ESW, which are the ESL Global Final and IEM, so the prize pool for the "qualifier" are 75k x 3 + 500k = 735k.


Wait, there's a ESL Global Final? Or you just mean IEM Kato which had $500k?
And where is the other $75k * 3 coming from, sorry i don't really understand how the circuit works lol

I mean the ESL Seasonal tournament Main Event (Fall/Winter/Spring), winner of Fall and Winter (Serral and Clem) are qualified into EWC, and top 4 in Spring will be qualified as well. So they do serve as "qualifier" in a sense.


Show nested quote +
On April 19 2024 18:49 Harris1st wrote:
On April 19 2024 10:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
On April 19 2024 09:18 Pandain wrote:
What does it even mean that the qualifiers will have $750K? My understanding is there are qualifiers at the very end after the first fourteen players are already decided. Are they really gonna put 750000 into that last qualifier that decides the last two players after presumably the top 14 performing players were already decided?


Oh, good point... hmm...
Maybe everyone who qualified (gets to the first round of the tournament) gets some money too?
That IS a ton of money for qualifiers, holy. The main tourny is only $1 million lol

Hmm wait is it 750k? It's $60 million for all the games, $760k for all the qualifiers.
So for SC2 maybe it'd end up being just around $13k for qualifiers?


You got some numbers turned around IMO.

7,5 million are for qualifiers. 5 of those for DotA alone.
SC2 has 750k which probably is counting everything ESL does since ESL works for Saudi


Ooh got it, thanks guys. Yeah it's fair to count those as qualifiers since this is the global finals.

Yeah given some of those tournies gave direct tickets to this event I suppose they very much are qualifiers too, although it feels a bit weird for big Premier tournies to be classed as such
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1156 Posts
April 19 2024 13:19 GMT
#35
On April 19 2024 19:06 Comedy wrote:
look at all these garbage titles, esport used to be an actual game that was sort of like a sport on your pc. now we're just playing kids games for millions of dollars


Even the World Cyber Games used to have mobile and "kid games". And the EWC still covers basically the full lineup except for 1v1 Shooters, but considering that Quake is the only one left and is the most closed Esports ever...yeah, no.
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain877 Posts
April 19 2024 20:51 GMT
#36
1M$ wow
This would be a good first offline tournament to attend, MaxPax. We need another Protoss to cheer for, besides Astrea.
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10332 Posts
April 19 2024 21:24 GMT
#37
Dude if MaxPax actually went, he'd be my #1 to win it all. It would make things interesting, bring viewership, and just be so hype.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
shikadisoda
Profile Joined March 2024
15 Posts
April 20 2024 02:26 GMT
#38
On April 19 2024 19:06 Comedy wrote:
look at all these garbage titles, esport used to be an actual game that was sort of like a sport on your pc. now we're just playing kids games for millions of dollars

yeah e sports used to be something the world respected

wait
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
April 20 2024 08:53 GMT
#39
On April 19 2024 06:32 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2024 06:29 WombaT wrote:
Yay sportswashing!

And more money for the top dogs who already have hundreds of thousands and none for the poor bastards below!


Yeah. I will give this event a pass.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10332 Posts
April 20 2024 12:59 GMT
#40
Yeah it actually kinda sucks cus the top SC2 players are like millionaires or half millionaires
We could use a few more % just for those in the top #15-30 range to help sustain the scene's size

But i think they'll give a pretty nice amount to the 18 who qualify so that's not bad
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33371 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-01 15:17:45
May 01 2024 14:32 GMT
#41
officially confirmed

https://twitter.com/ESWCgg/status/1785670511831474415

https://twitter.com/ESWCgg/status/1785678060463051083

https://twitter.com/ESWCgg/status/1785685619533857099
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serralbest
Profile Joined January 2024
39 Posts
May 01 2024 14:53 GMT
#42
On May 01 2024 23:32 Waxangel wrote:
officially confirmed

https://twitter.com/ESWCgg/status/1785670511831474415

where?
serralbest
Profile Joined January 2024
39 Posts
May 01 2024 15:00 GMT
#43
On May 01 2024 23:53 serralbest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2024 23:32 Waxangel wrote:
officially confirmed

https://twitter.com/ESWCgg/status/1785670511831474415

where?

wow i see
crazy
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1156 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-01 16:01:51
May 01 2024 16:00 GMT
#44
They apparently really tried to find new innovative formats for these (see the CS2 format aswell). But I'm glad we didn't get any single-elimination shenanigans early on.
...though I don't get the 15-player Knockout Stage. Can't imagine the whole thing would collaps if they opened up one more Open Qualifier slot to make it an even 16...
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3395 Posts
May 01 2024 16:11 GMT
#45
I would like to see a round-robin format, either in the Main group stage, or the Final 4 stage to make things more interesting.
IIEclipseII
Profile Joined February 2016
Germany157 Posts
May 01 2024 16:49 GMT
#46
what the literal ****
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19234 Posts
May 01 2024 16:53 GMT
#47
I'm hearing murmurs that sOs is un-retiring for this.
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Telephone
Profile Joined October 2010
United States138 Posts
May 01 2024 17:11 GMT
#48
I worry for the GOAT's shoulder considering the grand final is best of 9.
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2718 Posts
May 01 2024 18:18 GMT
#49
On May 02 2024 01:53 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm hearing murmurs that sOs is un-retiring for this.

Only if EWC decides to pull an IEM
very illegal and very uncool
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4406 Posts
May 01 2024 18:23 GMT
#50
With semis being bo7 and finals being bo9 I hope those matches are on separate days. Will produce better gameplay that way.

The format sounds pretty cool though. Nice to have something different and that sounds like it will have a lot of matches.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
May 01 2024 18:39 GMT
#51
LIV SC2?
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33371 Posts
May 01 2024 20:27 GMT
#52
I wonder if the prize distribution % is going to be more top-heavy than usual to try and hype things up...

I think it would be a terrible idea, but this is also the 10 year anniversary of Katowice 2014
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17671 Posts
May 01 2024 21:21 GMT
#53
On May 02 2024 05:27 Waxangel wrote:
I wonder if the prize distribution % is going to be more top-heavy than usual to try and hype things up...

I think it would be a terrible idea, but this is also the 10 year anniversary of Katowice 2014

$1mil 1st place, winner takes all
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ZeroByte13
Profile Joined March 2022
765 Posts
May 01 2024 21:37 GMT
#54
On May 02 2024 03:23 JJH777 wrote:
With semis being bo7 and finals being bo9 I hope those matches are on separate days. Will produce better gameplay that way.
If they are on the same day the best defensive/reactive race/player will have a really big advantage.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
May 01 2024 21:53 GMT
#55
Biggest Tournament Ever? If you're going to show, now would be a good time.
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dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1225 Posts
May 01 2024 22:34 GMT
#56
I don't love bo9 finals - I feel like any map pool is going to have some really lopsided maps (who knows if we'll still be on this one by the time of EWC.) Also, let's be real, the finals is probably going to be one sided so bo9 will just drag it out.

Otherwise the format seems to be good for the tournament favorites.
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zalem95
Profile Joined January 2011
Peru184 Posts
May 02 2024 00:17 GMT
#57
WOW that is siiiiick
nothing special
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-02 00:23:20
May 02 2024 00:18 GMT
#58
I woudln't worry about the prize pool being too top heavy, as I don't doubt for a second players will just agree to split the price pool amongst themselves like they have admitted to in the past.

Bost of 9 is truly a lot... specially if it turns out to be an stomp.

Am I wrong in thinking Best of 9 really favors zergs?
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33371 Posts
May 02 2024 00:38 GMT
#59
On May 02 2024 09:18 [Phantom] wrote:
I woudln't worry about the prize pool being too top heavy, as I don't doubt for a second players will just agree to split the price pool amongst themselves like they have admitted to in the past.

Bost of 9 is truly a lot... specially if it turns out to be an stomp.

Am I wrong in thinking Best of 9 really favors zergs?


it also infamously didn't happen in the worst split tournament of all; the $100k winner-take-all Katowice. You can't be so sure that a split WILL happen—you can only say it MIGHT happen.
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lokol4890
Profile Joined May 2023
114 Posts
May 02 2024 00:41 GMT
#60
On May 02 2024 09:18 [Phantom] wrote:
I woudln't worry about the prize pool being too top heavy, as I don't doubt for a second players will just agree to split the price pool amongst themselves like they have admitted to in the past.

Bost of 9 is truly a lot... specially if it turns out to be an stomp.

Am I wrong in thinking Best of 9 really favors zergs?


Definitely doesn't favor the current iteration of protoss. Probably doesn't favor any terran besides I guess clem since he can win with pure mechanics and doesn't have any injuries. Long story short, yeah probably favors zerg
frustratedsc2user
Profile Joined March 2024
10 Posts
May 02 2024 04:46 GMT
#61
Will Serral be able to play? 100%
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25216 Posts
May 02 2024 06:20 GMT
#62
Silly prize pool IMO but hey, interested to see how it’s distributed.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4193 Posts
May 02 2024 07:14 GMT
#63
Insane prizepool confirmed, huh? Well.. I hope for some really good and tough format then. But not holding my breath, considering the organizer.. :3
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10332 Posts
May 02 2024 20:09 GMT
#64
This is awesome, sad that Creator most definitely won't make it this time...

Idk about Bo9 though. Sounds like too many games, too much fatigue, very little chance of a close series. Bo7 is already plenty. I get that it's a huge huge prize pool, but Bo7 is already enough games to try your best on. Playing like 8-9 games is just a really long time.

If it's on separate days though then it'll be more OK.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25216 Posts
May 02 2024 21:35 GMT
#65
On May 03 2024 05:09 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
This is awesome, sad that Creator most definitely won't make it this time...

Idk about Bo9 though. Sounds like too many games, too much fatigue, very little chance of a close series. Bo7 is already plenty. I get that it's a huge huge prize pool, but Bo7 is already enough games to try your best on. Playing like 8-9 games is just a really long time.

If it's on separate days though then it'll be more OK.

I feel my main issue is I can’t think of a single map pool that doesn’t have a few terribly balanced maps that are basically default vetos,

Even in Bo7 they sometimes creep in as it is
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10332 Posts
May 02 2024 22:27 GMT
#66
On May 03 2024 06:35 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2024 05:09 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
This is awesome, sad that Creator most definitely won't make it this time...

Idk about Bo9 though. Sounds like too many games, too much fatigue, very little chance of a close series. Bo7 is already plenty. I get that it's a huge huge prize pool, but Bo7 is already enough games to try your best on. Playing like 8-9 games is just a really long time.

If it's on separate days though then it'll be more OK.

I feel my main issue is I can’t think of a single map pool that doesn’t have a few terribly balanced maps that are basically default vetos,

Even in Bo7 they sometimes creep in as it is


Come to think of it, if the maps are bad for zerg then the longer series and more whacky counterpick maps might balance out decently
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Drahkn
Profile Joined June 2021
191 Posts
May 03 2024 17:11 GMT
#67
This means the level of SC2 we are going to get to see in the near future is going to be off the chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain , every guy who got a chance at that amount of money is gonna work their ass of to be in tip top shape
Sentikoret
Profile Joined July 2019
20 Posts
May 03 2024 19:56 GMT
#68
Come to think of it, if the maps are bad for zerg then the longer series and more whacky counterpick maps might balance out decently


Zergs on this patch were 0 out of top 4 last GSL, 0 in the entirety of Asia playoffs, currently 1/6 in EU and AM playoffs.
What exactly should be balanced out?
Tommy131313
Profile Joined May 2016
Germany153 Posts
May 04 2024 01:59 GMT
#69
On May 04 2024 04:56 Sentikoret wrote:
Show nested quote +
Come to think of it, if the maps are bad for zerg then the longer series and more whacky counterpick maps might balance out decently


Zergs on this patch were 0 out of top 4 last GSL, 0 in the entirety of Asia playoffs, currently 1/6 in EU and AM playoffs.
What exactly should be balanced out?




Exactly my thoughts... Neither BO9, nor actual mappool or balance patch is favouring Zerg tbh if we look at the last results.

IIrc there are 2 Zerg left in the ESL Regional Spring Masters, 1 is in the global Spring Masters Event from last GSL season.

There's a decent chance that Serral and Dark will be the only Zerg to qualify for EWC, maybe Solar will slip in via EPT Korea Standings, but I doubt Reynor will make it, expecially since he's splitting his engagement (and points) between Korea and EU Standings.

So unless Serral can stay in top form despite his military duty, I don't see any Zerg with high chances for making a top four run at the EWC.
lokol4890
Profile Joined May 2023
114 Posts
May 04 2024 02:48 GMT
#70
On May 04 2024 10:59 Tommy131313 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2024 04:56 Sentikoret wrote:
Come to think of it, if the maps are bad for zerg then the longer series and more whacky counterpick maps might balance out decently


Zergs on this patch were 0 out of top 4 last GSL, 0 in the entirety of Asia playoffs, currently 1/6 in EU and AM playoffs.
What exactly should be balanced out?




Exactly my thoughts... Neither BO9, nor actual mappool or balance patch is favouring Zerg tbh if we look at the last results.

IIrc there are 2 Zerg left in the ESL Regional Spring Masters, 1 is in the global Spring Masters Event from last GSL season.

There's a decent chance that Serral and Dark will be the only Zerg to qualify for EWC, maybe Solar will slip in via EPT Korea Standings, but I doubt Reynor will make it, expecially since he's splitting his engagement (and points) between Korea and EU Standings.

So unless Serral can stay in top form despite his military duty, I don't see any Zerg with high chances for making a top four run at the EWC.


How would reynor splitting engagement make a difference? There are open sign ups for esl spring. Almost guaranteed he makes it in. And if he gets top 4 there, he makes ewc. For all the talk about ewc, there are currently only 5 players qualified.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3395 Posts
May 04 2024 04:12 GMT
#71
Barring a disaster run in Dallas, Reynor should qualify through the EPT EU standing, given that MaxPax not playing offline and I dont think both Spirit and HM can catch up to him.

JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4406 Posts
May 04 2024 05:24 GMT
#72
On May 04 2024 10:59 Tommy131313 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2024 04:56 Sentikoret wrote:
Come to think of it, if the maps are bad for zerg then the longer series and more whacky counterpick maps might balance out decently


Zergs on this patch were 0 out of top 4 last GSL, 0 in the entirety of Asia playoffs, currently 1/6 in EU and AM playoffs.
What exactly should be balanced out?




Exactly my thoughts... Neither BO9, nor actual mappool or balance patch is favouring Zerg tbh if we look at the last results.

IIrc there are 2 Zerg left in the ESL Regional Spring Masters, 1 is in the global Spring Masters Event from last GSL season.

There's a decent chance that Serral and Dark will be the only Zerg to qualify for EWC, maybe Solar will slip in via EPT Korea Standings, but I doubt Reynor will make it, expecially since he's splitting his engagement (and points) between Korea and EU Standings.

So unless Serral can stay in top form despite his military duty, I don't see any Zerg with high chances for making a top four run at the EWC.


What the heck is this lol. Solar and Reynor are 100% guaranteed to be there. You realize that besides the spots from Dallas and the literally only 2 open qualifier spots, the global and regional standings are the final deciders right? Even Ragnarok is nearly guaranteed making it considering that the top 4 of Dallas will most likely be at least 3 players who are already qualified and then those extra slots will just get added to the global standings.

I think the only way Ragnarok doesn't go is if someone below him passes him in points (which seems unlikely as he's 200 points ahead of the person below him and that person is Bunny who didn't qualify for GSL) or if someone who is currently below him takes a top 4 at Dallas. That's pretty unlikely. I guess I could see someone like Showtime, Stats, DRG, or creator do that with some type of miracle run but seems very unlikely. If the top 4 of Dallas are all players who are currently above him then he's guaranteed to make it as long as Maxpax forfeits his slot as expected.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4406 Posts
May 04 2024 05:47 GMT
#73
I've been looking at the standings for a while and I'm struggling to even create a fake scenario where Reynor doesn't qualify. The amount of things that would.have to go wrong for Reynor to not qualify through global stands is completely insane. Even if he loses every match between now and EWC he will still be there with nigh 100% likelihood. The only ways he doesn't qualify through global standings involves scenarios where Maxpax plays offline, the entire top 4 at Dallas is players who are current not top 16 in EPT rankings, and both heromarine and spirit pass him in points. I don't know that it's possible for those things to happen at the same time because heromarine and spirit would likely need points from Dallas to pass him.

It's not even an opinion thing it's just objectively wrong (and balance whining for the race that's won $3mil more than the other 2) to say Reynor won't qualify.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4193 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-04 07:52:53
May 04 2024 07:52 GMT
#74
oh, the format is known already I see

well.. could have been better and more gruelling, but also could have been much worse (i've seen much worse).

it's.. decent. that's my opinion.
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zelevin
Profile Joined January 2012
United States260 Posts
May 04 2024 13:36 GMT
#75
very happy about this tournament format
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1225 Posts
May 04 2024 13:47 GMT
#76
I wouldn't worry too much for Zerg at this point. If the game were perfectly balanced, we'd still expect Zerg to struggle for a bit after a new patch/map pool. That, combined with the best player (who is Zerg) being inactive means Zerg has bad results atm.

Also the world cup is far enough away that if 1-2 months from now Zerg is still struggling there will probably be minor alterations to the map pool, and all the best Zerg (Serral, Reynor, Solar, Dark, Rag) will already have qualified anyways.

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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10332 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-04 14:42:57
May 04 2024 14:39 GMT
#77
Would have been really weird if it was that hard for Solar and Reynor to make it in, glad it seems they have a solid path

For Creator, I'm very sad he probably won't make it. But maybe he can make Top 6-8 at Dallas and then qualify that way.
Oh wait, if Creator can get 5th-6th in GSL, he could get 300 EPT Korea points and be about just 23 under SHIN. So if he does decently at Spring Masters and gets Top 16 again, he could actually make it I guess!
5th-6th sounds hard for GSL but he's in Top 8 already, just needs to win 1 match and not be last in his group. Though he'd need to beat someone like Byun, Solar, or Reynor which won't be easy unless he can bring his A game.

If he gets Top 4, then he might be set.
It may be hard for him though because there probably won't be many Zergs to face in Ro8.

It's nice that these points are so important, really helps keep the stakes for tournies like GSL. I guess that's a big part of why Creator was so relieved he made it out, not for the money but for the EPT points. Qualifying for EWC would be such a huge amount of money. I really want him to make it!
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33371 Posts
June 13 2024 18:27 GMT
#78
prize split announced

https://twitter.com/EWC_EN/status/1801298520684601503
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Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden717 Posts
June 13 2024 18:31 GMT
#79
jfc 400k för #1
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-13 18:37:51
June 13 2024 18:36 GMT
#80
I guess Serral is about to buy another house.

I was not entertaining much hopes the prize pool would be split in a more reasonable way but still it's a shame. At least it's gonna create plenty of drama!
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Ciaus237
Profile Joined July 2015
South Africa280 Posts
June 13 2024 19:00 GMT
#81
Don't like the split, but I guess it is "hype".
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25216 Posts
June 13 2024 19:41 GMT
#82
Top heavy IMO but ah well, I don’t think this tournament has a great record in being the optimal fit for the scene or competitive integrity so wasn’t expecting much
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Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1156 Posts
June 13 2024 20:10 GMT
#83
Curious how it will work with the points though. Do all players ranked 8th to 11th get the 20 points for 8th place? In that case SC2 could actually bring quite the insane value for the EWC race.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33371 Posts
June 13 2024 20:44 GMT
#84
Quick breakdown of the payouts distribution compared to Kato

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rwala
Profile Joined December 2019
297 Posts
June 13 2024 20:57 GMT
#85
This may be contrary to the organizer's terms, but it would be interesting to see if the players could come together and agree to a more equitable distribution of prize money, at least between places 1 through 12 or 1 through 8 or something. From a pure EV perspective, it's not really in the interest of someone like Serral or Maru to agree to this, but once you realize that any individual player's chances of winning (including Serral's) are quite low, it's not so different than purchasing insurance on your home, car, etc.
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1156 Posts
June 13 2024 21:03 GMT
#86
the prizepool is extremly top-heavy, but its not like the rest is playing for peanuts. 15K just to show up is already pretty good money, especially for the koreans. So I don't think a "better" prizepool-split between the players would really be necessary
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2102 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-13 21:45:36
June 13 2024 21:42 GMT
#87
I don't know why they have such top-heavy prize pools. I'd so much rather they distribute it more evenly, since the scene depends on there being more than 3 good players.

This might be the highest prize pool in SC2, but I still find it hard to care much about.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6923 Posts
June 14 2024 09:17 GMT
#88
On June 14 2024 05:10 Balnazza wrote:
Curious how it will work with the points though. Do all players ranked 8th to 11th get the 20 points for 8th place? In that case SC2 could actually bring quite the insane value for the EWC race.


Are there any details on how this EWC clan race thing actually works?
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3395 Posts
June 14 2024 10:35 GMT
#89
On June 14 2024 18:17 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2024 05:10 Balnazza wrote:
Curious how it will work with the points though. Do all players ranked 8th to 11th get the 20 points for 8th place? In that case SC2 could actually bring quite the insane value for the EWC race.


Are there any details on how this EWC clan race thing actually works?

Top 8 in each event collect points to their teams, which team has the most collected points AND win at least 1 event will be crowned the champion.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10332 Posts
June 14 2024 11:25 GMT
#90
$15k just to show up is pretty nice at the least, though yes I don't like how top heavy the prize pool is. 1st place making 2x that of 2nd place is already totally fine.

The other thing I'm confused by though, is why the prizes are split between placements like that. It's not standard at all. For example, why does 3rd and 4th make the same, 6th and 7th make the same, but 5th is different?
For Double Elim, 3rd and 4th make the same unless there's a 3rd place match later. And then 5th and 6th make the same.

I guess I haven't seen how the bracket will actually work.

The jump from 6th-7th to 3rd-4th being almost triple the amount is pretty crazy, and 4th making almost double that of 5th...

But again, i guess anyone making it can be happy enough, that $15k is enough to live off for a year (assuming frugal living costs, which I'm sure most programers have)
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bela.mervado
Profile Joined December 2008
Hungary387 Posts
June 14 2024 11:30 GMT
#91
this is before taxes, right?
so in ~eu you can * ~0.5 the prize money.
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1156 Posts
June 14 2024 15:34 GMT
#92
On June 14 2024 18:17 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2024 05:10 Balnazza wrote:
Curious how it will work with the points though. Do all players ranked 8th to 11th get the 20 points for 8th place? In that case SC2 could actually bring quite the insane value for the EWC race.


Are there any details on how this EWC clan race thing actually works?


There is an Overview page for EWC on Liquipedia Commons Here. Though I still don't know how the 8-11th place in SC2 will work with that.

On June 14 2024 20:25 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
$15k just to show up is pretty nice at the least, though yes I don't like how top heavy the prize pool is. 1st place making 2x that of 2nd place is already totally fine.

The other thing I'm confused by though, is why the prizes are split between placements like that. It's not standard at all. For example, why does 3rd and 4th make the same, 6th and 7th make the same, but 5th is different?
For Double Elim, 3rd and 4th make the same unless there's a 3rd place match later. And then 5th and 6th make the same.

I guess I haven't seen how the bracket will actually work.

The jump from 6th-7th to 3rd-4th being almost triple the amount is pretty crazy, and 4th making almost double that of 5th...

But again, i guess anyone making it can be happy enough, that $15k is enough to live off for a year (assuming frugal living costs, which I'm sure most programers have)


You can look up the bracket here for SC2.
Basically, from "Phase 1" three players advance to the Final 4 and then there is another Single Elimination Bracket for the remaining players. The finals of that bracket then basically determine the last slot for the Final 4 and the loser ofc will be 5th place. That's why the 5th place is singled out in prizemoney
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10332 Posts
June 14 2024 19:41 GMT
#93
On June 15 2024 00:34 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2024 18:17 Harris1st wrote:
On June 14 2024 05:10 Balnazza wrote:
Curious how it will work with the points though. Do all players ranked 8th to 11th get the 20 points for 8th place? In that case SC2 could actually bring quite the insane value for the EWC race.


Are there any details on how this EWC clan race thing actually works?


There is an Overview page for EWC on Liquipedia Commons Here. Though I still don't know how the 8-11th place in SC2 will work with that.

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2024 20:25 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
$15k just to show up is pretty nice at the least, though yes I don't like how top heavy the prize pool is. 1st place making 2x that of 2nd place is already totally fine.

The other thing I'm confused by though, is why the prizes are split between placements like that. It's not standard at all. For example, why does 3rd and 4th make the same, 6th and 7th make the same, but 5th is different?
For Double Elim, 3rd and 4th make the same unless there's a 3rd place match later. And then 5th and 6th make the same.

I guess I haven't seen how the bracket will actually work.

The jump from 6th-7th to 3rd-4th being almost triple the amount is pretty crazy, and 4th making almost double that of 5th...

But again, i guess anyone making it can be happy enough, that $15k is enough to live off for a year (assuming frugal living costs, which I'm sure most programers have)


You can look up the bracket here for SC2.
Basically, from "Phase 1" three players advance to the Final 4 and then there is another Single Elimination Bracket for the remaining players. The finals of that bracket then basically determine the last slot for the Final 4 and the loser ofc will be 5th place. That's why the 5th place is singled out in prizemoney


Ah gotcha, so there's emphasis on making it to the top 4
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UnLarva
Profile Joined March 2019
458 Posts
June 14 2024 20:09 GMT
#94
On April 19 2024 09:07 jy_9876543210 wrote:
Serral is still listed?
"Summer 2024"
Well, I guess he won't be able to attend...


He will. Unless there are some bad military conduct, which is very ha(aaaaaaaaaaa)rd to believe.

He represents Finland... and his unit. It will be a military command.

Expect no easy path to his competitors.

It's about as far as Joona with the mission will ever go...
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6923 Posts
June 17 2024 08:01 GMT
#95
On June 15 2024 00:34 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2024 18:17 Harris1st wrote:
On June 14 2024 05:10 Balnazza wrote:
Curious how it will work with the points though. Do all players ranked 8th to 11th get the 20 points for 8th place? In that case SC2 could actually bring quite the insane value for the EWC race.


Are there any details on how this EWC clan race thing actually works?


There is an Overview page for EWC on Liquipedia Commons Here. Though I still don't know how the 8-11th place in SC2 will work with that.

prizemoney


Thanks! Haven't seen that
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InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
June 17 2024 10:04 GMT
#96
Crazy they're setting aside 400k just for serral
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6923 Posts
June 18 2024 09:56 GMT
#97
On June 17 2024 19:04 InfCereal wrote:
Crazy they're setting aside 400k just for serral


Should be 500k then so he can get his 2 mil full
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MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1000 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-04 10:36:39
July 04 2024 10:36 GMT
#98
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5x85zd71eo

BBC article on the controversy surrounding the ESWC being hosted in Saudi Arabia, with some quotes from Team Liquid:

Steve Arhancet told BBC Newsbeat that weighing up whether to take part had been "quite the quandary and challenge for us".

"Team Liquid is rooted in values of inclusivity," he said.

"So how do we continue operating with our values in a region of the world that conflicts so strongly, and with pretty egregious human rights violations?"

Steve said the team eventually decided it was important to turn up and use the contest as a platform to show their support for LGBT people.

As a gay man himself, Steve said it's personally important to him and plenty of other gamers.

Cool to see eSports on the BBC at all, to be honest.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25216 Posts
July 04 2024 11:21 GMT
#99
On July 04 2024 19:36 MJG wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5x85zd71eo

BBC article on the controversy surrounding the ESWC being hosted in Saudi Arabia, with some quotes from Team Liquid:

Show nested quote +
Steve Arhancet told BBC Newsbeat that weighing up whether to take part had been "quite the quandary and challenge for us".

"Team Liquid is rooted in values of inclusivity," he said.

"So how do we continue operating with our values in a region of the world that conflicts so strongly, and with pretty egregious human rights violations?"

Steve said the team eventually decided it was important to turn up and use the contest as a platform to show their support for LGBT people.

As a gay man himself, Steve said it's personally important to him and plenty of other gamers.

Cool to see eSports on the BBC at all, to be honest.

As someone who doesn’t follow eSports outside of SC2 it’s interesting that in the article they mention boycotts. I’ve zero idea how numerous or notable those are based on the article and my prior knowledge mind.

Which is in stark contrast to this scene where I don’t think anyone has even come out publicly to be mildly critical about the situation.

If anything I’d rather they just banned LGBTQ folks, the idea that foreigners can be tolerated for a short period for a bit of reputation laundering while their native populace are subject to sometimes brutal sanction is to me more gross if anything. At least the former is less insulting to folks’ intelligence.

Whose minds are we changing here and why do we even need to? We need to kowtow to Saudi Arabian sensibilities in activities whose audience, participants and general structure overwhelmingly reside elsewhere?

This isn’t some eSports powerhouse or even some potential gigantic emergent market, they’re throwing money at it in a PR exercise. Be OK with that or not, it is what it is.

Football sure as fuck didn’t need Qatar to be popular, or subsequently (quel surprise) Saudi Arabia.
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