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On February 02 2024 09:40 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2024 09:16 Branch.AUT wrote:On February 02 2024 01:09 namkraft wrote:
Didn't read thru all of the chat but just wanna put in my preference that from a Broodwar perspective, I have never liked Tastosis as casters, from 5-6 years ago until now. Tasteless displays poor knowledge of the game (I'm sure his playing of it isn't so bad). Artosis is slightly better. Neither of them shows enough energy and passion for the game during their casts (compared to the old-school casters like Klazart, Diggity and Nukethestars).
I know many people enjoy Tastetosis and would defend them on forums. I suspect that many people who don't like them or are indifferent wouldn't do the same, hence my coming forward. Brother you're comparing people slaving over a replay multiple hours to live show casters. That is just disingenous. Like everyone can bring the thunder in a 20 minute yt video. Go be on air for 7 hours. Let me know how that works out at hour 5 of day 3. Ridiculous. Yeah it’s fucking tough man, keeping the energy going. And I have no (well, a few :p) critics doing it locally for the fun, I’m not in the public eye. And observing the games too! Back to back 10 hour days trying to keep the hype and the energy accurately call games is way more draining than one would assume. Hey I love doing it but doing it live in front of an audience, for a long stint just isn’t comparable to recording a cast at your leisure. Not sucking my own dick by any means, there’s a reason I’ve never posted VoDs haha but it’s a tougher gig than many make out
It is still on my wislist to cast in front of a live audience, but I feel you. I remember one shoutcast after a long weekend that was so draining, I started to vigorously speculate about a very minor optical detail on a map - for two minutes. Just 2AM, seven hours live things...
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On February 02 2024 10:04 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2024 09:40 WombaT wrote:On February 02 2024 09:16 Branch.AUT wrote:On February 02 2024 01:09 namkraft wrote:
Didn't read thru all of the chat but just wanna put in my preference that from a Broodwar perspective, I have never liked Tastosis as casters, from 5-6 years ago until now. Tasteless displays poor knowledge of the game (I'm sure his playing of it isn't so bad). Artosis is slightly better. Neither of them shows enough energy and passion for the game during their casts (compared to the old-school casters like Klazart, Diggity and Nukethestars).
I know many people enjoy Tastetosis and would defend them on forums. I suspect that many people who don't like them or are indifferent wouldn't do the same, hence my coming forward. Brother you're comparing people slaving over a replay multiple hours to live show casters. That is just disingenous. Like everyone can bring the thunder in a 20 minute yt video. Go be on air for 7 hours. Let me know how that works out at hour 5 of day 3. Ridiculous. Yeah it’s fucking tough man, keeping the energy going. And I have no (well, a few :p) critics doing it locally for the fun, I’m not in the public eye. And observing the games too! Back to back 10 hour days trying to keep the hype and the energy accurately call games is way more draining than one would assume. Hey I love doing it but doing it live in front of an audience, for a long stint just isn’t comparable to recording a cast at your leisure. Not sucking my own dick by any means, there’s a reason I’ve never posted VoDs haha but it’s a tougher gig than many make out It is still on my wislist to cast in front of a live audience, but I feel you. I remember one shoutcast after a long weekend that was so draining, I started to vigorously speculate about a very minor optical detail on a map - for two minutes. Just 2AM, seven hours live things...
Happens to the best of us!
We’re just lucky we have a relatively gigantic entirely amateur run nerd convention via our local university that we can plug an SC event into, and we’ve gradually just become a social club over the years with SC being secondary
If you do ever get a shot though I’d highly recommend, especially in smaller amateur things. Like a bunch of our audience is our player pool, everyone knows each other and we have a lot of fun with it, whoever fancies casting a particular match or rivalry will pop in and out co-casting and stuff.
If you can grab like 16 players, double or triple it for a potential audience as a bare minimum and do something live, even with small numbers it’ll be way more energetic and hyped than youd think
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On February 02 2024 09:16 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2024 01:09 namkraft wrote:
Didn't read thru all of the chat but just wanna put in my preference that from a Broodwar perspective, I have never liked Tastosis as casters, from 5-6 years ago until now. Tasteless displays poor knowledge of the game (I'm sure his playing of it isn't so bad). Artosis is slightly better. Neither of them shows enough energy and passion for the game during their casts (compared to the old-school casters like Klazart, Diggity and Nukethestars).
I know many people enjoy Tastetosis and would defend them on forums. I suspect that many people who don't like them or are indifferent wouldn't do the same, hence my coming forward. Brother you're comparing people slaving over a replay multiple hours to live show casters. That is just disingenous. Like everyone can bring the thunder in a 20 minute yt video. Go be on air for 7 hours. Let me know how that works out at hour 5 of day 3. Ridiculous.
I'm not sure if what you say is relevant here. Tastetosis also cast on purely-online games, yes? Are they showing enough energy in those videos? Not in my opinion. And most of their gigs are not seven hours per day. Maybe 3-4 continuously for some 1-day event. Are they showing enough energy there? Not in my opinion. Even for long events, are they showing enough energy in the first 10 minutes of their casts? Not in my opinion. Their non-energetic casting style is by choice, not by fatigue, because it's difficult to find things to say continuously and as if your life depends on it. Your personality matters a lot, and you have to be a kind of "trance" state almost.
And to be fair, this is purely my personal preference. You may like their casting style, that's fine. I'm not attacking you for your preference. So you should not attack mine.
FYI, I do cast 4-5 hours "straight". Sometimes I also lose my voice at the end of the session, but I try to give it my best as if my life depends on it.
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dear namkraft,
I'd love to see you cast day 5 of a round robin group stage of an sc2 tourney
between dudes placed #7 and #8 in their group,
giving your best as if your life depends on it.
your energy fetish is a bit misguided. in my opinion.
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On February 02 2024 14:35 bela.mervado wrote:
dear namkraft,
I'd love to see you cast day 5 of a round robin group stage of an sc2 tourney
between dudes placed #7 and #8 in their group,
giving your best as if your life depends on it.
your energy fetish is a bit misguided. in my opinion.
Again, not sure why your argument that I can't possibly cast multiple days of an onsite event has anything to do with my claim that tastetosis are not energetic in their casts (regardless of time, space, duration).
If you are logical, you would find me any videos of Tastetosis casting that you would call "energetic". And we can argue on that. Our definition of energy may be different, but it's a better starting point to what you have atm.
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can you define energetic in curved spacetime please.
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Artosis is so good at analyzing the game at the moment. Tastosis is the best duo ever absolutely. I'm so sad about the absence. I'm thrilled to have Wardi though. Hoping for an explosive weekend.
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On February 02 2024 08:49 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2024 06:52 rwala wrote:
Sad to see all these gamer bros who probably have never put themselves out there to create or contribute to anything in their lives criticizing the casters who are putting in so much time and energy to bring them entertainment. It’s an entertainment business, are you entertained or not? I don’t really care if someone is spending 100 hours a week grinding at something if they’re not as good as someone half assing it. I don’t agree with overly personal caster bashing but most posts here have been pretty respectful.
I don’t disagree and have my own caster preferences, but it’s not like these casters are T Swift raking in millions. I’m cool with critiques of artists and entertainers in general but this thread feels a little like a community eating its own to me. If a caster makes a serious mistake like Nathanias did with his comments about Lambo, Scarlett, etc. I’m all for some tough love and criticism but this is not that.
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On February 02 2024 13:32 namkraft wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2024 09:16 Branch.AUT wrote:On February 02 2024 01:09 namkraft wrote:
Didn't read thru all of the chat but just wanna put in my preference that from a Broodwar perspective, I have never liked Tastosis as casters, from 5-6 years ago until now. Tasteless displays poor knowledge of the game (I'm sure his playing of it isn't so bad). Artosis is slightly better. Neither of them shows enough energy and passion for the game during their casts (compared to the old-school casters like Klazart, Diggity and Nukethestars).
I know many people enjoy Tastetosis and would defend them on forums. I suspect that many people who don't like them or are indifferent wouldn't do the same, hence my coming forward. Brother you're comparing people slaving over a replay multiple hours to live show casters. That is just disingenous. Like everyone can bring the thunder in a 20 minute yt video. Go be on air for 7 hours. Let me know how that works out at hour 5 of day 3. Ridiculous. I'm not sure if what you say is relevant here. Tastetosis also cast on purely-online games, yes? Are they showing enough energy in those videos? Not in my opinion. And most of their gigs are not seven hours per day. Maybe 3-4 continuously for some 1-day event. Are they showing enough energy there? Not in my opinion. Even for long events, are they showing enough energy in the first 10 minutes of their casts? Not in my opinion. Their non-energetic casting style is by choice, not by fatigue, because it's difficult to find things to say continuously and as if your life depends on it. Your personality matters a lot, and you have to be a kind of "trance" state almost. And to be fair, this is purely my personal preference. You may like their casting style, that's fine. I'm not attacking you for your preference. So you should not attack mine. FYI, I do cast 4-5 hours "straight". Sometimes I also lose my voice at the end of the session, but I try to give it my best as if my life depends on it.
It is very clear to me, that your expectation of how working a multi-day public speaking appointment, is completely different of how I experience it. Or anyone else I know in the field, for that matter.
You will come to understand this one day. Until then, just believe me, that apples are not oranges.
What you, klazart, nukethestars do in your home, is oranges. What any professional casters do at a three day event, are apples.
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On January 29 2024 23:36 knotfun wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2024 06:26 Woosixion wrote:
I agree, none of these casters will ever be as good as Tastosis sorry. Also as a man of color theres too many fkn white people here for my liking, looking at the representation here one might think that all starcraft players were white well, Starcraft is historically kind of a "white" community if it even means anything. are there even non caucasic casters available?
I wont deny it, still tho they could surely find one nerdy azn kid to get on the lineup, or maybe temp0?... hell what happened to Smix, the cute korean interviewer?!
I would offer myself for the job but im too much of a real nikka, i dont think I would mesh well with the group
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On February 02 2024 00:51 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2024 00:04 MJG wrote:
I'd probably prefer if Lowko and Demu were replaced with people more engaged with the SC2 scene, with casters like Chickenman and Dave Testa (KSL) or CranKy Ducklings (OSC) coming to mind. It's a solid line-up otherwise. It is highly unlikely those were even considered. If you haven't been an official caster for an ESL online event, they sure aren't gonna make you debut in the biggest offline one at this stage in the game's life, even as a Bstreamer
I know that they probably weren't considered, but sticking with people who've moved on to different titles is a bit silly IMO.
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