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On January 28 2024 06:26 Woosixion wrote:
I agree, none of these casters will ever be as good as Tastosis sorry. Also as a man of color theres too many fkn white people here for my liking, looking at the representation here one might think that all starcraft players were white
well, Starcraft is historically kind of a "white" community if it even means anything.
are there even non caucasic casters available?
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On January 28 2024 06:26 Woosixion wrote:
I agree, none of these casters will ever be as good as Tastosis sorry. Also as a man of color theres too many fkn white people here for my liking, looking at the representation here one might think that all starcraft players were white
Only a racist would look at the colour of the skin of those involved and be upset about it.
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People should remember that casters are humans and maybe express their opinions without being assholish.
It's so sad to read these harsh takes instead of more constructive criticism.
Honestly, the cast is exactly what I expected, they do a good job every time and I'm ready to enjoy their commentary again.
Of course, I'm also happy when ESL gives offline chances to "new" faces, like Lowko, Catz, Steadfast, Harstem... , but it doesn't need to be a constant rotation or an every tournament thing.
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On January 30 2024 08:06 t5Fab wrote:
People should remember that casters are humans and maybe express their opinions without being assholish.
It's so sad to read these harsh takes instead of more constructive criticism.
Honestly, the cast is exactly what I expected, they do a good job every time and I'm ready to enjoy their commentary again.
Of course, I'm also happy when ESL gives offline chances to "new" faces, like Lowko, Catz, Steadfast, Harstem... , but it doesn't need to be a constant rotation or an every tournament thing.
It’s tricky to do when so much of considering whether a caster is good or not, to many at least is ‘do I like their voice/personality’ at the end of the day. There’s not really many casters these days who genuinely have big gaps in their knowledge, something you could neutrally critique and they could improve in. Whereas what does somebody do with the ‘hey I like this other person better’, in terms of actually taking it on board and not feeling like shit?
I like the roster, but prefer Tastosis purely for their rapport, but I’ve forever hated caster bashing for the reasons outlined. It’s very rarely positive in outcome
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On January 30 2024 10:21 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2024 08:06 t5Fab wrote:
People should remember that casters are humans and maybe express their opinions without being assholish.
It's so sad to read these harsh takes instead of more constructive criticism.
Honestly, the cast is exactly what I expected, they do a good job every time and I'm ready to enjoy their commentary again.
Of course, I'm also happy when ESL gives offline chances to "new" faces, like Lowko, Catz, Steadfast, Harstem... , but it doesn't need to be a constant rotation or an every tournament thing. It’s tricky to do when so much of considering whether a caster is good or not, to many at least is ‘do I like their voice/personality’ at the end of the day. There’s not really many casters these days who genuinely have big gaps in their knowledge, something you could neutrally critique and they could improve in. Whereas what does somebody do with the ‘hey I like this other person better’, in terms of actually taking it on board and not feeling like shit? I like the roster, but prefer Tastosis purely for their rapport, but I’ve forever hated caster bashing for the reasons outlined. It’s very rarely positive in outcome
In the end, there is no real metric to meassure the skill of a caster. WPM aren't exactly helpful. Viewer numbers are of course somewhat of an indicator, but only if there is a big, noticable gap. Would have 500 people more watched with Caster A? Maybe, but who knows. Oh, the switch from Caster B to Caster C cost us 500 viewers...or is the next set just boring? Does it get late in an important part of our viewerships timezone?
The skill in the game of the caster is also not an indicator. There are great casters who never even remotely could compete in progaming and there are progamers who are as interesting as moldy toast. You *could* do a quiz and check ingame-knowledge, but is that really helpful? Is someone who knows the exact damage of 2-1 Marines really per default a better caster than someone who just knows the general implications?
And then there is the fact about time. Are some casters really that good or are they just around for so long you just have a bias for them? Did you really give the young blood a fair chance or just decided instantly that you didn't like them?
Of course that doesn't mean all casters are equal. And I also don't critizise anyone for having favorites - everyone has, myself included. But maybe don't get that focused on "who is the best caster" and make it like it is an objectively wrong choice to not pick *your caster*.
Just look at HLTV who just reported the caster lineups for two big upcoming events. Discussion is livid (and often extremly low in terms of manners), which some names coming up in every comment - either people being happy about it or claiming it is an "instant mute".
Long blabla for a very short message: It is natural to have favorites and maybe even turn of the stream if someone you just can't stand is casting/hosting/analyzing. But like with most things in life, don't hoist your personal taste to the pantheon of truth. It is okay to say you like Caster A over Caster B, without making it out like Caster B should be ashamed to even cast this game...
(just for clarification: With "you" I mean the general you of course, not Wombat who I quoted in the beginning)
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dunno what it is about caster discussion that makes it like music or TV show discussion
not enough to say what you like, but also have to say 'and this other [person/thing] SUCKS' 
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On January 30 2024 14:00 Waxangel wrote:dunno what it is about caster discussion that makes it like music or TV show discussion not enough to say what you like, but also have to say 'and this other [person/thing] SUCKS'
Having personal caster preferences is always a soap opera. Outdated like a 1960's sitcom, makes me want to yawn like no tomorrow. There's lineups for a reason, won't delve too deep into it, will watch the event for what's worth.
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On January 30 2024 13:19 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2024 10:21 WombaT wrote:On January 30 2024 08:06 t5Fab wrote:
People should remember that casters are humans and maybe express their opinions without being assholish.
It's so sad to read these harsh takes instead of more constructive criticism.
Honestly, the cast is exactly what I expected, they do a good job every time and I'm ready to enjoy their commentary again.
Of course, I'm also happy when ESL gives offline chances to "new" faces, like Lowko, Catz, Steadfast, Harstem... , but it doesn't need to be a constant rotation or an every tournament thing. It’s tricky to do when so much of considering whether a caster is good or not, to many at least is ‘do I like their voice/personality’ at the end of the day. There’s not really many casters these days who genuinely have big gaps in their knowledge, something you could neutrally critique and they could improve in. Whereas what does somebody do with the ‘hey I like this other person better’, in terms of actually taking it on board and not feeling like shit? I like the roster, but prefer Tastosis purely for their rapport, but I’ve forever hated caster bashing for the reasons outlined. It’s very rarely positive in outcome In the end, there is no real metric to meassure the skill of a caster. WPM aren't exactly helpful. Viewer numbers are of course somewhat of an indicator, but only if there is a big, noticable gap. Would have 500 people more watched with Caster A? Maybe, but who knows. Oh, the switch from Caster B to Caster C cost us 500 viewers...or is the next set just boring? Does it get late in an important part of our viewerships timezone? The skill in the game of the caster is also not an indicator. There are great casters who never even remotely could compete in progaming and there are progamers who are as interesting as moldy toast. You *could* do a quiz and check ingame-knowledge, but is that really helpful? Is someone who knows the exact damage of 2-1 Marines really per default a better caster than someone who just knows the general implications? And then there is the fact about time. Are some casters really that good or are they just around for so long you just have a bias for them? Did you really give the young blood a fair chance or just decided instantly that you didn't like them? Of course that doesn't mean all casters are equal. And I also don't critizise anyone for having favorites - everyone has, myself included. But maybe don't get that focused on "who is the best caster" and make it like it is an objectively wrong choice to not pick *your caster*. Just look at HLTV who just reported the caster lineups for two big upcoming events. Discussion is livid (and often extremly low in terms of manners), which some names coming up in every comment - either people being happy about it or claiming it is an "instant mute". Long blabla for a very short message: It is natural to have favorites and maybe even turn of the stream if someone you just can't stand is casting/hosting/analyzing. But like with most things in life, don't hoist your personal taste to the pantheon of truth. It is okay to say you like Caster A over Caster B, without making it out like Caster B should be ashamed to even cast this game... (just for clarification: With "you" I mean the general you of course, not Wombat who I quoted in the beginning)
Can’t disagree with any of that!
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On January 25 2024 14:49 CicadaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2024 14:37 yezzir88 wrote:On January 25 2024 04:00 JJH777 wrote:
No tastosis is unfortunate. Good/unsurprising lineup besides their omission. Yeah and its bullshit. Tastosis should really be at every single premier event. ESL really needs to expand their budget only for Tastosis. Other casters are great, but there's just something about the casting archon that makes games magical. it's not a budget thing.
So it's political BS?
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On January 31 2024 02:20 yezzir88 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2024 14:49 CicadaSC wrote:On January 25 2024 14:37 yezzir88 wrote:On January 25 2024 04:00 JJH777 wrote:
No tastosis is unfortunate. Good/unsurprising lineup besides their omission. Yeah and its bullshit. Tastosis should really be at every single premier event. ESL really needs to expand their budget only for Tastosis. Other casters are great, but there's just something about the casting archon that makes games magical. it's not a budget thing. So it's political BS?
No, it is a budget thing and/or about working with your usual sets of casters.
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On January 25 2024 04:00 JJH777 wrote:
No tastosis is unfortunate. Good/unsurprising lineup besides their omission.
Save them for the World Cup!
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On January 27 2024 00:44 WardiTV wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2024 02:28 Locutus_ wrote:On January 26 2024 00:20 Starcloud wrote:
Pretty good lineup. Few personal points;
1. Tastosis is missing, which is really a shame in these big tournaments. They should be there.
2. ZombieGrub and Wardi are just basically boring and especially casting together is a bit pain. Both are awesome individuals who have been carrying the SC2-flag for a very long time, and I appreciate them both a lot. But just dont like them as casters.
3. What has happened to Nathanias and especially Maynarde ? Two of my favourites have been sidelined for a long time. Prolly has been mentioned somewhere, but personally I dont understand why arent they invited to the events anymore. I would take them any day before for example Lowko, Beo, Steadfast, Demu, ZG or Wardi. Big shame. Also, wth happened to Smix ?
4. Prolly bit unpopular opinion, but I dont usually like these player/player- casts that much outside Homestory Cups. Dont get me wrong, Lambo and Harstem are very good analyzers and nice to listen to, but I would like more of them separately with a "professional" caster. For example Rotti+Lambo- combination is one of the best duos you can make. Though Rotti rises the level of casting to excellent degree by himself. He is the best. True, ZG and Wardi kinda have a very similar "sad aura". Which is a pitty, cus theyre both very good analyzers, specially ZG. I think shes spot on. But they are waaaaay too serious, and bring a heavy sentiment, i think. I'll take sad aura over last years description of me as a charisma vacuum. I'm on the up. FWIW : Katowice is not the world championship and this is the smallest caster team we have had for Katowice as far as I remember and I would very much so suspect it as a money / budget thing that we have less casters. Budget has been strict all year and it does make a difference on who is hired for events.
Just an FYI. I am sure you know this, but a lot of people (myself included) absolutely love a calmer, more serene approach to casting. I don't necessarily mind hype-casting, but when given the option, I am going to watch a calmer caster over super high energy hype-caster. I for one actually think you have great charisma, by being calm, composed and just a gentle person to watch. Please don't change. I can understand that other people prefer more high energy, high hype whatever casting. There is, however, no need to be mean towards other styles, because there are 100% people (like me) who enjoy (and/or prefer) that.
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I'd probably prefer if Lowko and Demu were replaced with people more engaged with the SC2 scene, with casters like Chickenman and Dave Testa (KSL) or CranKy Ducklings (OSC) coming to mind. It's a solid line-up otherwise.
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On February 02 2024 00:04 MJG wrote:
I'd probably prefer if Lowko and Demu were replaced with people more engaged with the SC2 scene, with casters like Chickenman and Dave Testa (KSL) or CranKy Ducklings (OSC) coming to mind. It's a solid line-up otherwise.
It is highly unlikely those were even considered. If you haven't been an official caster for an ESL online event, they sure aren't gonna make you debut in the biggest offline one at this stage in the game's life, even as a Bstreamer
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Didn't read thru all of the chat but just wanna put in my preference that from a Broodwar perspective, I have never liked Tastosis as casters, from 5-6 years ago until now. Tasteless displays poor knowledge of the game (I'm sure his playing of it isn't so bad). Artosis is slightly better. Neither of them shows enough energy and passion for the game during their casts (compared to the old-school casters like Klazart, Diggity and Nukethestars).
I know many people enjoy Tastetosis and would defend them on forums. I suspect that many people who don't like them or are indifferent wouldn't do the same, hence my coming forward.
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Sad to see all these gamer bros who probably have never put themselves out there to create or contribute to anything in their lives criticizing the casters who are putting in so much time and energy to bring them entertainment.
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On February 02 2024 01:09 namkraft wrote:
Didn't read thru all of the chat but just wanna put in my preference that from a Broodwar perspective, I have never liked Tastosis as casters, from 5-6 years ago until now. Tasteless displays poor knowledge of the game (I'm sure his playing of it isn't so bad). Artosis is slightly better. Neither of them shows enough energy and passion for the game during their casts (compared to the old-school casters like Klazart, Diggity and Nukethestars).
I know many people enjoy Tastetosis and would defend them on forums. I suspect that many people who don't like them or are indifferent wouldn't do the same, hence my coming forward.
How brave of you
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On February 02 2024 06:52 rwala wrote:
Sad to see all these gamer bros who probably have never put themselves out there to create or contribute to anything in their lives criticizing the casters who are putting in so much time and energy to bring them entertainment.
It’s an entertainment business, are you entertained or not? I don’t really care if someone is spending 100 hours a week grinding at something if they’re not as good as someone half assing it.
I don’t agree with overly personal caster bashing but most posts here have been pretty respectful.
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On February 02 2024 01:09 namkraft wrote:
Didn't read thru all of the chat but just wanna put in my preference that from a Broodwar perspective, I have never liked Tastosis as casters, from 5-6 years ago until now. Tasteless displays poor knowledge of the game (I'm sure his playing of it isn't so bad). Artosis is slightly better. Neither of them shows enough energy and passion for the game during their casts (compared to the old-school casters like Klazart, Diggity and Nukethestars).
I know many people enjoy Tastetosis and would defend them on forums. I suspect that many people who don't like them or are indifferent wouldn't do the same, hence my coming forward.
Brother you're comparing people slaving over a replay multiple hours to live show casters. That is just disingenous. Like everyone can bring the thunder in a 20 minute yt video. Go be on air for 7 hours. Let me know how that works out at hour 5 of day 3. Ridiculous.
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On February 02 2024 09:16 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2024 01:09 namkraft wrote:
Didn't read thru all of the chat but just wanna put in my preference that from a Broodwar perspective, I have never liked Tastosis as casters, from 5-6 years ago until now. Tasteless displays poor knowledge of the game (I'm sure his playing of it isn't so bad). Artosis is slightly better. Neither of them shows enough energy and passion for the game during their casts (compared to the old-school casters like Klazart, Diggity and Nukethestars).
I know many people enjoy Tastetosis and would defend them on forums. I suspect that many people who don't like them or are indifferent wouldn't do the same, hence my coming forward. Brother you're comparing people slaving over a replay multiple hours to live show casters. That is just disingenous. Like everyone can bring the thunder in a 20 minute yt video. Go be on air for 7 hours. Let me know how that works out at hour 5 of day 3. Ridiculous.
Yeah it’s fucking tough man, keeping the energy going. And I have no (well, a few :p) critics doing it locally for the fun, I’m not in the public eye. And observing the games too! Back to back 10 hour days trying to keep the hype and the energy accurately call games is way more draining than one would assume.
Hey I love doing it but doing it live in front of an audience, for a long stint just isn’t comparable to recording a cast at your leisure.
Not sucking my own dick by any means, there’s a reason I’ve never posted VoDs haha but it’s a tougher gig than many make out
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