EPTIEM Katowice 2024: Caster line-up announced - Page 2
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CicadaSC
United States1846 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33503 Posts
On January 25 2024 12:29 CicadaSC wrote: once again no tastosis, no it's not because they are too expensive. They cast stormgate and zerospace for pennies. they would cast sc2 if they were invited i remember years ago they exposed a few people at ESL nepotistic hiring practices and blacklisting them because certain people didn't like them. Sad! here is just one example. lol why are you digging this years old tweet up when they casted the last Katowice? Also, there wasn't any evidence of them being blacklisted or whatever (no one even used those words)—this was prolly just tasteless going public to get some leverage in a ordinary dispute (frowned upon but hey good on him if he got it to work). Carmac made a brief comment of "Needless to say, our default position is that we would love to work with Nick and Dan at every SC2 event we run. In describing the situation Nick omitted a part of the story and for now I will leave it at that" because ESL didn't want to have some silly public drama fight and nothing more was openly said from either side. Then Tastosis cast Katowice 3 years later; sounds like things worked out. People can be disappointed about Tastosis not being at Katowice without making it some kind of sinister pseudo-conspiracy | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
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Balnazza
Germany1247 Posts
On January 25 2024 14:50 CicadaSC wrote: artosis literally casts esl weekly cups for free, because that's just how much passion he has still for the game. Didn't know that, but honestly, it doesn't change much. However that can ofc just be my own perception of it. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
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Lambertus
South Africa977 Posts
On January 25 2024 15:47 Waxangel wrote: lol why are you digging this years old tweet up when they casted the last Katowice? Also, there wasn't any evidence of them being blacklisted or whatever (no one even used those words)—this was prolly just tasteless going public to get some leverage in a ordinary dispute (frowned upon but hey good on him if he got it to work). Carmac made a brief comment of "Needless to say, our default position is that we would love to work with Nick and Dan at every SC2 event we run. In describing the situation Nick omitted a part of the story and for now I will leave it at that" because ESL didn't want to have some silly public drama fight and nothing more was openly said from either side. Then Tastosis cast Katowice 3 years later; sounds like things worked out. People can be disappointed about Tastosis not being at Katowice without making it some kind of sinister pseudo-conspiracy I strongly support this! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
On January 25 2024 16:11 Balnazza wrote: Didn't know that, but honestly, it doesn't change much. However that can ofc just be my own perception of it. I mean if that doesn’t what would? At least for Artosis, I do think Tasteless was never quite bitten by the SC2 bug to quite the same degree, although I don’t think he phoned in the passion on broadcast days I never got the impression he lived and breathed the game. Which tbh is fine, casting is a skill not directly correlating with one’s passion. There are plenty of casters around who are absolute pillars of the community and do great work for the scene but IMO should stick to working in the background | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
On January 25 2024 17:13 WombaT wrote: I mean if that doesn’t what would? At least for Artosis, I do think Tasteless was never quite bitten by the SC2 bug to quite the same degree, although I don’t think he phoned in the passion on broadcast days I never got the impression he lived and breathed the game. Which tbh is fine, casting is a skill not directly correlating with one’s passion. There are plenty of casters around who are absolute pillars of the community and do great work for the scene but IMO should stick to working in the background That for sure, but at the same time both Artosis and Tasteless seems so out of touch to the game the last time they casted it. They cant do clever or deep reads into the game like PiG does, and often times they just do plainly bad takes of what is going on. That hurts specially Artosis as Tasteless was always occupying more he hype/funny role. Although I am honestly tired of tasteless repeating the "this is the craziest game ever" cuz he cant think of something else. But yes, they do bring nostalgia to the table. | ||
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Philippe
354 Posts
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jodljodl
175 Posts
Second woohoo: PiG. He's just great in general Even though I hated him in the beginning. Don't know why. Maybe because I was jealous of his good looks :>3rd woohoo: B & C stream caster line-up. Not the biggest fan of Beo & Steadfast casting but my god they deserve this. [Harstem. What a great dude. Always very good casts especially when lambo is joining him. It's so very informative when he's in a cast.] 4th woohoo: no feardragon. 5th woohoo: rest of the talent except for... demuslim as a caster/analyst. Maybe I'm missing something but he isn't around anymore in sc2 except for these kinda events. Should stick to his AoE stuff, imo. But maybe I'm totally wrong and he's active all year round and I simply don't know about it. In this case, I revise my opinion and apologise. Have a nice day, y'all <3 edit/addendum: I really love tastosis. But when it comes to tasteless I got the impression over many years now that he simply doesn't know much about current sc2. Maybe it's his style etc.. But my god, not just once I witnessed face palm moments of his where even I knew is statement was absolutely wrong. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
On January 25 2024 18:25 Argonauta wrote: That for sure, but at the same time both Artosis and Tasteless seems so out of touch to the game the last time they casted it. They cant do clever or deep reads into the game like PiG does, and often times they just do plainly bad takes of what is going on. That hurts specially Artosis as Tasteless was always occupying more he hype/funny role. Although I am honestly tired of tasteless repeating the "this is the craziest game ever" cuz he cant think of something else. But yes, they do bring nostalgia to the table. Having done more casting than most here in amateur tournies for over a decade (hopefully not too much footage floating around the internet), mostly with the other half of an established archon, but frequently rotating some of our higher level players in and out a lot is rapport, comedic timing and giving space to the other guy to show their chops. Even at my ‘peak’ I was pretty mid tier as a player, my knowledge perhaps slightly better than my game, but my ability to communicate the ebb and flow of a game and be entertaining considerably above either. So I’ll happily call a game in front of a bunch of high masters/GM players because I have a certain skill set, and they’re perfectly happy to have me call their games because I might miss something in terms of real specific build intricacies but I generally get the general flow right. And as I say at this stage even mediocre players who’ve watched for a decade can vaguely call a game pretty solid, if you look at a TL LR thread there’s good analysis there. I don’t think it’s pure nostalgia, not saying they don’t have annoying habits but Tastosis do have that special sauce where they compliment each other very well, and if nothing’s going on they’ll start talking about Ninja Turtles or something. It’s like watching a game of (insert sportsball) with your buddies. PIG’s excellent, Rotterdam’s very good as long as Heromarine isn’t playing and I’m excited for the Harambo stream. You get insights from like a top 15-20 active pro that is actually fantastic but they’re also both very good communicators, they’re not dry and they have fun too. I’ve watched every cast they’ve ever done on their YouTube and absolutely love the detail that really only being a top pro gives you. I won’t name names as even the casters I think aren’t as good still do a fine job, but for me you don’t get that convivial Tastosis vibe no matter what the combos, nor do you get the kind of technical analysis you’ll get from the Harambo combo. And as I’ve said on many occasions the time Grubby or Idra guest casted at various tournies with a good foil was top notch, especially the former. Honestly don’t blame guys like Creighton Olsen for saying fuck it, guy was a better caster (with a good foil) than some of this roster but never got a fair crack of the whip | ||
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jodljodl
175 Posts
On January 25 2024 18:51 WombaT wrote: [...]but for me you don’t get that convivial Tastosis vibe no matter what the combos [...]. I wholeheartedly agree. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
I have made the occasional sensible post in my 19k+ efforts! | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3426 Posts
They bring a certain energy to their casts that no other caster seems capable of matching. Glad to have Rotterdam though. | ||
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Locutus_
Brazil65 Posts
On January 25 2024 13:13 Balnazza wrote: I know this is probably an unpopular opinion, but I don't really see the "devotion to the game". Artosis had his last real SC2 cast at Katowice '23 and Tasteless is also just doing GSL. Feels more like a thing to pay the bills if you compare it to some other casters. If we purely talk devotion to the game, the elite is at Katowice. And I'm kind of sure that if BroodWar isn't part of the Gamers8-thingy, we won't see Tastosis there either True. Its been years since Tasteless has had real knowledge of the game. In recent years, half of what he says when he narrates matches is "oh, i dont know whats gonna happen". He has no clue about the meta anymore, or how the great players play nowadays | ||
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Locutus_
Brazil65 Posts
On January 25 2024 19:05 Locutus_ wrote: True. Its been years since Tasteless has had real knowledge of the game. In recent years, half of what he says when he narrates matches is "oh, i dont know whats gonna happen". He has no clue about the meta anymore, or how the great players play nowadays That said, their vibe when commenting together is truly unique. | ||
zatic
Zurich15357 Posts
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TossHeroes
281 Posts
I prefer this lineup in all honestly. Rotti is hands down the best caster in sc2 history (fight me). I’m happy for Pig too, I love his casting and the excitement he brings I would have love to see catz casting again though | ||
Mizenhauer
United States1906 Posts
On January 25 2024 23:32 TossHeroes wrote: Not sure what the big deal is? Tasteless and Artosis not in the line up I have no problem with that. Their legacy is casting in GSL events. I prefer this lineup in all honestly. Rotti is hands down the best caster in sc2 history (fight me). I’m happy for Pig too, I love his casting and the excitement he brings I would have love to see catz casting again though That is not their legacy. Their legacy was going to Korea and creating a job (english speaking bw caster) that did not exist prior to their arrival. | ||
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Starcloud
138 Posts
1. Tastosis is missing, which is really a shame in these big tournaments. They should be there. 2. ZombieGrub and Wardi are just basically boring and especially casting together is a bit pain. Both are awesome individuals who have been carrying the SC2-flag for a very long time, and I appreciate them both a lot. But just dont like them as casters. 3. What has happened to Nathanias and especially Maynarde ? Two of my favourites have been sidelined for a long time. Prolly has been mentioned somewhere, but personally I dont understand why arent they invited to the events anymore. I would take them any day before for example Lowko, Beo, Steadfast, Demu, ZG or Wardi. Big shame. Also, wth happened to Smix ? 4. Prolly bit unpopular opinion, but I dont usually like these player/player- casts that much outside Homestory Cups. Dont get me wrong, Lambo and Harstem are very good analyzers and nice to listen to, but I would like more of them separately with a "professional" caster. For example Rotti+Lambo- combination is one of the best duos you can make. Though Rotti rises the level of casting to excellent degree by himself. He is the best. | ||
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