EPTOr is special treatment only for non-EU players?
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Update: ESL's Alex007 has given an official response: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/612805-oliveira-unable-to-attend-esl-summer?page=5#93 | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1153 Posts
Or is special treatment only for non-EU players? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16063 Posts
On June 18 2023 01:19 Balnazza wrote: MaxPax clearly has a condition that prevents him from attending offline events, maybe some incredibly high anxiety or whatever. So the situation is basically out of his hands - he should definetly be allowed to play online, all the time, every tournament. Or is special treatment only for non-EU players? LOL. You seriously think those two scenarios are equivalent. Let me explain this to you VERY simply. When you sign up to a tournament, you agree to their rules and their policies. If you do not follow those rules, then you can be removed from the tournament. That's the agreement every competitor makes when they sign up to play for a tournament, in ANY sport. Coffee and Oliveira fulfilled every bit of their end of the bargain and it was ESL's mistake that cost them from being able to attend the event. Maxpax's case is totally different. He gets special accomodation to even be allowed to play in the online portion and then is appropriately disqualified when he turns down the invitation to attend the event in person. They are not even close to the same thing. Truthfully, ESL is already showing favoritism by letting Maxpax continue to play despite breaking their rules about cameras constantly, something the players in the tournament themselves have already been saying. Oliveira and Coffee did nothing wrong, played by ESL's rules, and did everything on their end to qualify for the event and they got punished anyway. Whether by negligence or conspiracy it doesn't matter they were the ones that got punished. It's on ESL to make that right. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1153 Posts
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On June 18 2023 01:19 Balnazza wrote: MaxPax clearly has a condition that prevents him from attending offline events, maybe some incredibly high anxiety or whatever. So the situation is basically out of his hands - he should definetly be allowed to play online, all the time, every tournament. Or is special treatment only for non-EU players? Lazy troll. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16063 Posts
On June 18 2023 02:52 Balnazza wrote: And what is "right"? Go back and read the thread there's plenty of ideas for that. At the bare minimum they need to be granted points equivalent to AT LEAST what they would have earned for the first round of the tournament equivalent to what Has (who went out 0-7 with Oliveira's seed) just got. But that still wouldn't be fair compensation especially to Oliveira who very likely would have gotten further than that. That's just the absolute bare minimum that ESL needs to do to make things right. After that there's all kinds of other things they can do from covering the travel of both players to the next event to granting them preferential seeding. At this point, I just want to see ESL acknowledge that they need to do the bare minimum and grant those guys the points they are being screwed out of. We can move on to the next step after that. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1598 Posts
On June 17 2023 15:23 Acrofales wrote: You sound like you've never had to apply for a visa. Some few countries have an online application process, but most require you to show up, in person, at the consulate with all the required documents in physical format The documents have to be original and generally there is also an expiration period. Invitation letters, proof of no criminal record, proof of funds, proof of residence, etc. are all documents that expire. How Sweden works specifically, I don't know, but requiring a physical letter of invitation is a very common requirement Out of everything you said, it seems like him missing the invitation would be the only disqualifying thing you mentioned as you have no clue if they did or didn't have everything else in order. Most of those items you mentioned seem like things that are readily at hand, and the criminal records request would be simple. Regardless the only known piece of information is a letter on paper, deliverd via donkey across the 7 seas via a glass bottle on land apparently needed extra inspection from customs lol. I'm not saying the process is the easiest in the world, but the invitation is clearly what held up the process, we have no clue if the players were ready with the other information and available to get to their offices in time. What we do know is that a customs delay on a letter that apparently wasn't held up at customs for almost any time at all was the required information missing. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17982 Posts
On June 18 2023 07:14 NoobSkills wrote: Out of everything you said, it seems like him missing the invitation would be the only disqualifying thing you mentioned as you have no clue if they did or didn't have everything else in order. Most of those items you mentioned seem like things that are readily at hand, and the criminal records request would be simple. Regardless the only known piece of information is a letter on paper, deliverd via donkey across the 7 seas via a glass bottle on land apparently needed extra inspection from customs lol. I'm not saying the process is the easiest in the world, but the invitation is clearly what held up the process, we have no clue if the players were ready with the other information and available to get to their offices in time. What we do know is that a customs delay on a letter that apparently wasn't held up at customs for almost any time at all was the required information missing. I obviously agree that the letter is the reason they didn't get their visa in time. I'm just pointing out, as did 3 others, that the "just send an email/fax" thing YOU said would have solved it was nonsensical. The answer to your question"isn't there a more streamlined online process" is fairly obviously: NO, there is not. They needed a physical letter from ESL inviting them to the tournament for the visa application. They didn't get it in time. I don't know how much clearer it can be said. | ||
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J. Corsair
United States470 Posts
That simply isn't enough, in my humble opinion. | ||
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tigera6
3380 Posts
On June 18 2023 10:24 J. Corsair wrote: So who is being reprimanded or fired for this egregious mistake? I read an "apology" and a "I promise it won't ever happen again..." That simply isn't enough, in my humble opinion. ESL would probably do that in-house, so we will never who was the person that messed up and whats the "punishment" for that person, but to be honest I dont really care about it that much personally. Most of us care about how ESL is going to make it up for Oliveira and Coffee after this, instead of letting things swept under the carpet. | ||
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TossHeroes
281 Posts
Alex made an apology and gave an explanation and kids still believe there is a conspiracy lol. Ya let’s get mad over a video game | ||
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On June 20 2023 06:28 TossHeroes wrote: Just funny to read the comments from all the angry kiddos over a late letter send Alex made an apology and gave an explanation and kids still believe there is a conspiracy lol. Ya let’s get mad over a video game If this were the first time this issue happened, I don't think people would care all that much. But the fact that this has been an issue over and over again (combined with it meaning that the defending World Champion couldn't make it) has people, I think reasonably, pretty pissed off. I don't think there's a conspiracy, but it's also pretty obvious (and has been for years) that first Blizzard and now ESL care a lot about EU/NA players and not so much about the rest. Obviously, there are unique challenges related to international travel for Chinese players, but that's a long-standing issue that they have had years to figure out and haven't bothered to. If you're so much above emotional investment in a video game, why are you on a forum dedicated to exactly that? | ||
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