EPTCode S Season 3 - RagnaroK, Maru reach the finals - Page 2
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
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IplayZbutplznerfZ
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IplayZbutplznerfZ
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Solio
France145 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On October 09 2022 18:30 IplayZbutplznerfZ wrote: I believe that if serral is a Korean player, he can still win IEM and wcs, but he certainly can't have so many champions. True. Also, narrative being the successful foreign player won't help him either. At least, Rogue, Maru, Innovation, Zest, himself and others are judged fairly and ready to be compared each other, not be presumed first that they belong to minority group or else. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On October 08 2022 20:50 kajtarp wrote: Personally this G5L trophy can't hype me at all after Stats, Innovation, Zest, TY and Rogue are all retired or doing military. It doesn't hype me much because winning three GSLs in a row peaked my Maru-in-the-GSL expectations. Maru's just too good for me to be very interested in any storyline that involves him winning. But at least I can still get hyped for the games themselves. Maru still delivers really exciting StarCraft. | ||
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Lokol18
51 Posts
On October 09 2022 04:02 Telephone wrote: Winning IEM is a requirement for the GOAT title because it's the world championship. I agree with your sentiment, but that's the reason why. Just 'cause and some others argue that iem is a requirement doesn't make it so. A lot of other people still believe gsl is the hardest tournament, exemplified by reynor bombing out in the group stages. There's no clear metric of what makes someone the goat. This is to me what makes it fun. In any event, based on pure tournament results, serral is still not the goat because rogue matched him in iem/blizzcons and has the gsls as well | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
I expect Maru to win this. It will be his eighth GSL finals...that's crazy. | ||
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TossHeroes
281 Posts
On October 08 2022 21:42 Charoisaur wrote: Why is having won an IEM a requirement for the Goat title but not having won a GSL? Cause that’s where all the best players compete An event that’s once a year , so basically one try per year Unlike GSL that’s 3-4 times a year Took Maru like what 20 tries? to get 4 GSLs And let’s not sugarcoat it, his competition in GSL gets weaker each season due to other players having to go to the military | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On October 10 2022 04:44 TossHeroes wrote: Cause that’s where all the best players compete An event that’s once a year , so basically one try per year Unlike GSL that’s 3-4 times a year Took Maru like what 20 tries? to get 4 GSLs And let’s not sugarcoat it, his competition in GSL gets weaker each season due to other players having to go to the military And somehow the competition in IEM isn't weaker?  | ||
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Slydie
1923 Posts
On October 10 2022 04:46 Durnuu wrote: And somehow the competition in IEM isn't weaker? What is so fantastic about GOAT discussions is that you can come to different conclusions depending on the criteria and keep arguing forever. How many true consensus GOATs in any field are there even? Usain Bolt, Babe Ruth and...?? Even Lebron James has stiff competition from Michael Jordan. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On October 10 2022 06:07 Slydie wrote: What is so fantastic about GOAT discussions is that you can come to different conclusions depending on the criteria and keep arguing forever. How many true consensus GOATs in any field are there even? Usain Bolt, Babe Ruth and...?? Even Lebron James has stiff competition from Michael Jordan. If you think Lebron > MJ, I’d advise you to review this: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33297498/the-nba-75th-anniversary-team-ranked-where-76-basketball-legends-check-our-list?platform=amp | ||
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outscar
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Poopi
France12903 Posts
On October 10 2022 06:07 Slydie wrote: What is so fantastic about GOAT discussions is that you can come to different conclusions depending on the criteria and keep arguing forever. How many true consensus GOATs in any field are there even? Usain Bolt, Babe Ruth and...?? Even Lebron James has stiff competition from Michael Jordan. Afaik Michael Jordan is undisputed GOAT in basketball. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16089 Posts
On October 10 2022 10:16 Poopi wrote: Afaik Michael Jordan is undisputed GOAT in basketball. He is and even if he wasn't, there's at least 3 guys ahead of Lebron James in the discussion. The only reason Lebron gets talked about is recency bias. | ||
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Drfilip
Sweden590 Posts
This is how it should be done, I think. It is very clear what it is about. Very little text is needed to convey that it is the GSL code S, and that the ro4 results are in. I would like this to be the norm. I want to click to find out the results. The implemented spoiler system for posts doesn't help if I want to read and comment about the EU regional ESL and not know the GSL results. Both links look the same so I don't know which is which. There's a 50/50 chance of being spoiled or getting the desired results. I rather not partake in discussions than knowing the results of an event that I plan to watch later. It is not helping the site if people actively stay away from it even if they like it. (For some reason my cognitive dissonance says that the ESL weekly open cups have a good form even if they tell the winners in the title) | ||
digmouse
China6330 Posts
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veniss
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tigera6
3419 Posts
On October 10 2022 04:44 TossHeroes wrote: Cause that’s where all the best players compete An event that’s once a year , so basically one try per year Unlike GSL that’s 3-4 times a year Took Maru like what 20 tries? to get 4 GSLs And let’s not sugarcoat it, his competition in GSL gets weaker each season due to other players having to go to the military But Maru won 4 titles when the competition was still at the higher level, its Rogue recent GSL title that has the weaker player pool. And to make a comparison, Serral only won 1 EU title in the ESL DH era out of 7 tournament so far. So Maru winning 4 out of 20 tries are not that bad imo. I agree about the lack of an IEM title, because they way I see it there are 3 different levels of tournament, the mega prize pool tournament, the higher prize seasonal tournament (GSL or WCS/DH regional) and the weekend-type tournament with lower prize pool (ST, DH Global,TSL, ect.). Maru won 1 WESG, whether its type 1 or type 2 is up for debate, 4 GSL titles, and several other weekend type tournament. Rogue won 3 top level tournaments (2 IEM + 1 WCS), 4 GSL but he doesnt win a lot of type 3 tournament. Serral won 2 (1 IEM + 1 WCS), lots of regional tournaments (mainly under WCS system), and several other weekend type tournament as well. Another thing to consider is consistency in term of how deep the players make it into top 2/4/6, in which Serral and Maru are just clearly better than Rogue. As things stand today, I would still favor Rogue because of 3 top level tournament wins, and Serral are also right there with just one less title. If Maru win this GSL, and the coming IEM and I think he will pass Serral but not Rogue. However, I also believe both Serral and Maru would pass Rogue if SC2 tournaments still continue into next year simply because of his military service. | ||
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