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DHM Fall Season Finals: Groups Announced
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TL.net ESPORTS
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tigera6
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
Weired Realy weired | ||
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On August 19 2021 12:08 swarminfestor wrote: Hopefully both Trap and Zoun can make into Ro.8. That would be cool, but I really doubt it's going to happen with cross server PvZ. Anyway, the groups seem interesting. Dark is pretty much a lock to advance but the rest are hard to predict. | ||
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VladSlymor
80 Posts
But at least we have some great suspense, seems almost all players have a shot at qualifying! | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7075 Posts
Neeb, Parting Clem, Bunny Dark, Scarlett Serral, Trap in no order | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
If I had to try to predict those, I'd go for : A : sOs, HM B : Bunny, Clem C : Dark, Scarlett D : Serral, Zoun in this order | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
Bunny Clem Dark Time Serral Trap | ||
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tommey.liang
United States363 Posts
PartinG and then either sOs/HeroMarine Bunny and then Clem Dark and Time Serral and Trap | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On August 20 2021 03:11 tommey.liang wrote: Predicting: PartinG and then either sOs/HeroMarine Bunny and then Clem Dark and Time Serral and Trap You just coppied me  | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Group A:  PartinG/NeebGroup B:  Bunny/ClemGroup C:  Dark/ScarlettGroup D: Trap/Zoun | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
B : Bunny, MaxPax C : Dark, Time D : Trap, Zoun | ||
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Obamarauder
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On August 20 2021 12:24 Obamarauder wrote: I can actaully see maxpax and bunny upsetting clem I m not even sure, if Bunny beating Clem would be an upset Bunny is pretty damn good this year and Clems non-vZ matchups can be a bit shakey from time to time I believe Max could beat any of his opponents on a good day. Doing the trick twice to actually advance is another Story though.. | ||
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tigera6
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Sound1
France93 Posts
On August 20 2021 14:50 dbRic1203 wrote: I m not even sure, if Bunny beating Clem would be an upset Bunny is pretty damn good this year and Clems non-vZ matchups can be a bit shakey from time to time I believe Max could beat any of his opponents on a good day. Doing the trick twice to actually advance is another Story though.. Clem won 3-0 vs HM in LB final in a very convincing way. He had some bad times 2 months ago where he wasn't able to win a single ESL Open week after he won 5 or 6 finals in a row, but now he looks to get back at his best level. He showed to beat MaxPax is not a problem for him when he plays well so, it will not be different at the DH season finals. He is godlike in TvZ, but his TvP and TvT are quite good too. I don't think he will have to struggle to come out of his group. I can't wait for the Clem vs Special probably the 2 best foreigners terran ATM (maybe with TIME) | ||
Poopi
France12908 Posts
On August 20 2021 17:00 Sound1 wrote: Clem won 3-0 vs HM in LB final in a very convincing way. He had some bad times 2 months ago where he wasn't able to win a single ESL Open week after he won 5 or 6 finals in a row, but now he looks to get back at his best level. He showed to beat MaxPax is not a problem for him when he plays well so, it will not be different at the DH season finals. He is godlike in TvZ, but his TvP and TvT are quite good too. I don't think he will have to struggle to come out of his group. I can't wait for the Clem vs Special probably the 2 best foreigners terran ATM (maybe with TIME) Well the finals is in quite a long time (3 weeks), so form may vary. I read that the recent slump Clem encountered was because of a single week off, it took him quite a bit of time to get back in shape, so he might struggle in the season finals if he takes another week off and doesn’t get back in shape fast enough. No Reynor so Dark is the favorite with Serral and maybe Clem if he manages the various TvT/TvP well enough. Or maybe Trap since this isn’t Code S or world championship… | ||
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tigera6
3462 Posts
On August 20 2021 17:00 Sound1 wrote: Clem won 3-0 vs HM in LB final in a very convincing way. He had some bad times 2 months ago where he wasn't able to win a single ESL Open week after he won 5 or 6 finals in a row, but now he looks to get back at his best level. He showed to beat MaxPax is not a problem for him when he plays well so, it will not be different at the DH season finals. He is godlike in TvZ, but his TvP and TvT are quite good too. I don't think he will have to struggle to come out of his group. I can't wait for the Clem vs Special probably the 2 best foreigners terran ATM (maybe with TIME) If you watch the HM-Clem game, you would know that HM just didnt show up, his build was off and his micro was below average in that series. It wasnt about that Clem did, it was about what HM didnt do. So I am not sure if Clem TvT was really improving or anything, and Bunny has a pretty good shot at beating him as well. MaxPax in a Bo3 can also be quite scary if he get a few thing go his way, and definitely can get out of the group in 1st place. I personally believe that we wont see Special vs Clem unless they meet in the Elimination Match. Btw, the GSL group schedule might also impact the performance of this tournament, if a player has to spend more time to prepare for their group on Monday. Which bring back the question from me, why the HELL the Global Final not scheduled for this week? Next Monday only have 2 code A matches which do not have any players in DH, would be a perfect time for everyone. | ||
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Kitai
United States880 Posts
On August 20 2021 17:00 Sound1 wrote: Clem won 3-0 vs HM in LB final in a very convincing way. He had some bad times 2 months ago where he wasn't able to win a single ESL Open week after he won 5 or 6 finals in a row, but now he looks to get back at his best level. He showed to beat MaxPax is not a problem for him when he plays well so, it will not be different at the DH season finals. He is godlike in TvZ, but his TvP and TvT are quite good too. I don't think he will have to struggle to come out of his group. I can't wait for the Clem vs Special probably the 2 best foreigners terran ATM (maybe with TIME) The reason Clem was in the LB in the first place was because Marinelord put him there - not exactly confidence-inspiring when he's in a group with 2 GSL-quality terrans. He also dropped a series to Goblin in the group stages - a protoss that didn't even make it to the playoff bracket. I think it's fair to say that his non-z matchups are a bit shakey from time to time like the person you quoted said. All that said, I still wouldn't be surprised if Clem makes it out. He just has a tougher time without any zergs to stomp in his group. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7075 Posts
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gs.yasashii
3 Posts
Hope Bunny puts down a good run. | ||
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Kreuger
Sweden817 Posts
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On August 21 2021 04:13 Kreuger wrote: 1 stream and more days of games instead: https://twitter.com/ESLSC2/status/1428718473040039942 Seems like a huge improvement. | ||
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FFgringo
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allmotor1
153 Posts
the only player who can beat dark realistically is serral/trap. Dark's my favorite to win overall. | ||
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AirbladeOrange
United States2574 Posts
Neeb & Heromarine Clem & Maxpax Dark & Time Trap & Serral | ||
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Philippe
354 Posts
Bunny and MaxPax Dark and Time Serral and Trap Clem has yet to prove he can be more consistent especially in the light of his series against MarineLord and Goblin, and his 0-2 in the Summer finals is still recent enough. How he bounced back from his shaky start in the playoffs doesn't completely erase that yet. | ||
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Drahkn
195 Posts
I mean we have to see it for what it is at this point, every top Protoss's weakest matchup is PVZ to say that is a coincidence is kind of silly. Neeb seems to have figured out a very solid way to play PvZ where he can go toe 2 toe with the zerg for most of the game without giving Zerg complete map control so hopefully he is on to something that will solve the PVZ riddle. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On August 22 2021 19:30 Drahkn wrote: It's about time Trap takes a major tournament home, overall he is imo without a doubt the most complete player, he just has to get over that hurdle that seems to stop all protoss's from winning majors, beating a TOP TIER Zerg player in a longer series. I mean we have to see it for what it is at this point, every top Protoss's weakest matchup is PVZ to say that is a coincidence is kind of silly. Neeb seems to have figured out a very solid way to play PvZ where he can go toe 2 toe with the zerg for most of the game without giving Zerg complete map control so hopefully he is on to something that will solve the PVZ riddle. What are you talking about with "about time"? Trap has won five premier tournaments this year, beating Reynor, Serral and Solar (a list which contains two of the last four or five world championship level tournament winners) in three of those finals. The hurdle has very much been crossed. Given the current state of Protoss it would be almost hilarious if it hadn't been. | ||
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Poopi
France12908 Posts
There is no particular name for GSL Code S + World Championship, which is probably the tournaments the poster above was referring to… Trap won a lot of premier recently, and about Code S he reached the finals in season 2 and lost vs Dark but he did not seem to choke that much, just got outplayed. | ||
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Drahkn
195 Posts
On August 22 2021 21:42 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: What are you talking about with "about time"? Trap has won five premier tournaments this year, beating Reynor, Serral and Solar (a list which contains two of the last four or five world championship level tournament winners) in three of those finals. The hurdle has very much been crossed. Given the current state of Protoss it would be almost hilarious if it hadn't been. Trap/Protoss has not won a GSL Code S and they have not won the ESL DHM World Finals, I never said the word premier I said MAJOR tournaments which means GSL Code S and ESL World Finals. Ask any sc2 pro gamer, their dream is to win either of these 2 tournaments as it has all the money and all the glory, and for good reason it is where the competition is way higher then any other tournament and each player will truly be tested to see if they belong in the top. | ||
Waxangel
United States33554 Posts
Just FYI that's how it was for 2020 Fall/Winter. So they're going back to what it SHOULD have been after randomly making it worse last season. | ||
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yepjan
20 Posts
On August 23 2021 03:42 Drahkn wrote: Trap/Protoss has not won a GSL Code S and they have not won the ESL DHM World Finals, I never said the word premier I said MAJOR tournaments which means GSL Code S and ESL World Finals. Ask any sc2 pro gamer, their dream is to win either of these 2 tournaments as it has all the money and all the glory, and for good reason it is where the competition is way higher then any other tournament and each player will truly be tested to see if they belong in the top. gsl is as premier as esl | ||
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Drahkn
195 Posts
GSL Code S and ESL World Finals is above every other tournament in difficulty and the prestige of winning them is way higher then any other tournament. Other then this there are a few other tournaments each year that are still more prestigious than your regional ESL's. The average player skill in Korea is still way higher then what you see in ESL which make some ESL tournaments less prestigious. If you didn't know now you now, consider yourself educated | ||
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Philippe
354 Posts
Regional Premiers tournaments are still Premiers for a reason, and following that restrictive logic, then TSL 7 which is labeled a Premier should be a minor ? :eyeroll: | ||
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On August 25 2021 07:12 Philippe wrote: What matters is the Liquipedia terminology in that case and not somebody who has a more restrictive point of view in that topic. Regional Premiers tournaments are still Premiers for a reason, and following that restrictive logic, then TSL 7 which is labeled a Premier should be a minor ? :eyeroll: If all that matters is the Liquipedia label then winning a Dreamhack: NA and winning a Code S are equal achievements as they're both "Premier." Is that your argument? Because that's going to be a... difficult position to defend. | ||
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yepjan
20 Posts
On August 25 2021 10:45 QOGQOG wrote: If all that matters is the Liquipedia label then winning a Dreamhack: NA and winning a Code S are equal achievements as they're both "Premier." Is that your argument? Because that's going to be a... difficult position to defend. but it is still true. liquidpedia is the only "official" we have anything else is just an opinion | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On August 27 2021 20:59 yepjan wrote: but it is still true. liquidpedia is the only "official" we have anything else is just an opinion Rofl, that is so dumb. So when people thought that earth was flat, it was written down in books to teach to children, it was the only objective truth? Come on, someone has written it like that to Liquipedia, the tiering there has the exact same worth as someone elses opinion, except that its super duper ultra stupid and incorrect. | ||
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yepjan
20 Posts
On August 27 2021 23:18 MarianoSC2 wrote: Rofl, that is so dumb. So when people thought that earth was flat, it was written down in books to teach to children, it was the only objective truth? Come on, someone has written it like that to Liquipedia, the tiering there has the exact same worth as someone elses opinion, except that its super duper ultra stupid and incorrect. but that is exactly what it is. all rules, thinghs etc.were written down by someone and as long as ppl accept it, it will be the truth | ||
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yepjan
20 Posts
On August 27 2021 23:23 yepjan wrote: but that is exactly what it is. all rules, thinghs etc.were written down by someone and as long as ppl accept it, it will be the truth. | ||
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Poopi
France12908 Posts
About Trap winning one or the other, there is not a lot of these tournaments happening in a given year, so there will be only a handful of players that will win them each year. | ||
hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
On August 25 2021 07:12 Philippe wrote: What matters is the Liquipedia terminology in that case and not somebody who has a more restrictive point of view in that topic. Regional Premiers tournaments are still Premiers for a reason, and following that restrictive logic, then TSL 7 which is labeled a Premier should be a minor ? :eyeroll: to clarify a few things:
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On August 30 2021 14:15 hjpalpha wrote: to clarify a few things:
Don't listen to him. Tournament tiers were inscribed on stone tablets handed down from on high and shall never be questioned. Those who attempt to do so shall be region locked out of the earth itself. | ||
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hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
On August 30 2021 16:27 QOGQOG wrote: Don't listen to him. Tournament tiers were inscribed on stone tablets handed down from on high and shall never be questioned. Those who attempt to do so shall be region locked out of the earth itself. lol | ||
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